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Apple Again Changes EU App Store Rules and Fees to Comply With DMA

Corefile said:
The EU should have enforced this globally. We deserve better,
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Eeeh… I rather others do what they think is right.
iOS Geek said:
So you're in favor of one government dictating things for the whole world? To put it as nicely as I can, that is certainly an...interesting opinion. I know some of the pro-EU people here would probably love this, but the EU is NOT a government for the whole world (thankfully). Their authority ends at their borders. Did you think before you said this? The EU has ZERO authority over how a company that is not based in their territory operates anywhere outside of said territory. If you think the EU should have the ability to enforce things globally...then I would expect that the global population gets a say in the EU's elections and processes!

And by the way..."We"? Speak for yourself. I, for one, do NOT want the EU's twisted, clueless "vision" of how things "should" work. I like to see advancements in tech. Not stagnation...which is what we'd undoubtedly get if the EU was the world's decision maker.
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Nah, don’t bring me in to that. I disavow
wbeasley said:
Same.

Any app that decides to use the AppStore to only steer you to their purchase option deserves contempt.
There won't be cheaper apps. That's nonsense. The devs want more of the payment.
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They are most games I can compare in Epic and the AppStore you want to guess who is cheaper
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wbeasley said:
The little app devs have been happily making money that would have been impossible in the old physical store only days. All the tools, the marketing, the buyer safety, the regular updates, the seamless payment and refunds, the reviews... the whole ecosystem worked for them.

Anyone who think Spotify is going to charge less for a sub through the app is kidding themselves.
Apple currently host the Spotify app and get nothing.
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What’s bad if the developers get more money in their pocket? Spotify, candy crash, epic etc.
wbeasley said:
If you cant work out how to subscribe outside the app store perhaps technology is too complex for you. ;)
This isnt going to result in a huge increase in Spotify subscribers.
Most people have woken up to the fact they havent kept up with other streaming services on quality of audio, Airplay and keep raising prices (while paying music rights holders the smallest amount).

Spotify will now start complaining about the new fees to run the app...

Wait until it costs them more to have Apple host an app that costs them for each download... that they currently get for free ;)
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Spotify have the antitrust ruling that states it must be free 🤷‍♂️. So they’re already content.
djphat2000 said:
is a subscription. And it is either this, OR Apple charges developers rich and poor alike a much higher fee to have access to the tools to even make an app. Say, $1000 a month per developer up to 10 developers. Up to 100, it's $950 per. Or something like that.

OR how about 5% of world wide profits. 🤣 That would be hysterical. And I'm here for it!
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Well it’s easy you can develop with other developer tools 🤷‍♂️. As most cydia makers does it.
 
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djphat2000 said:
Everything is a subscription. And it is either this, OR Apple charges developers rich and poor alike a much higher fee to have access to the tools to even make an app. Say, $1000 a month per developer up to 10 developers. Up to 100, it's $950 per. Or something like that.
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Uh, if they do that then nobody would develop for their platform. Give your head a shake.
 
AppliedMicro said:
Most importantly, Spotify provide an ongoing service - of which Apple provide far less than 30% of value.
That's why they do not deserve 30% of Spotify's revenue.
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You and other have constantly preached that Apple doesn't provide value equal to the 30% fee they charge so what DO you think is a "fair" amount relative to what Apple provides?
 
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Sophisticatednut said:
This was the case since 2008.
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Apps left the App Store for the web version in 2008 so developers can get the extra 30%? Nah.

Sophisticatednut said:
For a long while VLC was only available through jailbreaking when they removed it from the store because of a licensing issue with the AppStore rules
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1. I'm not going to be mad about free apps leaving the App Store because I didn't pay for it so why would I deserve to keep using it?
2. That's a licensing issue of original VLC developer (who wasn't the person that submitted it to the App Store). Far different than developer leaving the App Store for extra 30%.
 
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breenmask said:
I want to develop games for Playstation/Nintendo Switch outside their stores but that's not how it works.
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I don't think you want to develop real free games for consoles, unlike people, who want to build free apps for iOS/Android (and for Android it works, wow!). But maybe you can prove your words with your games? Because I'm not talking in theory about free apps, i think this is a much wider case and you can find many more apps than games without any monetization. If you actually have/working on a free/open source game, then a huge respect from me.

And btw, Nintendo doesn't have annual fee, you pay once for a devkit and can use it for a lifetime for your works.
 
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HiVolt said:
Maybe a one time fee. not a forever monthly fee for services they do not provide.
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An up front advertising fee .. how would spotify feel about paying, let’s say, $12 for each new subscription signup IN ADVANCE - it would be far less than the existing Apple fee over the course of a year @ just 10%, but a massive chunk of change up front for a developer.
breenmask said:
I've always been able to buy Fornite vbucks outside of the iOS. Literally bought vbucks from Target with 5% off because I had a Target debit card.
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And I’d bet target probably makes a similar commission to what Apple takes for an IAP for the same transaction. 🤷‍♂️
 
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This is starting to look sad now for Apple. They're continuing to destroy their reputation by miring the process in bureaucracy. There is no trust for developers and worse an insult to the intelligence of their users.

Their insistance on totalitarian control over the development process weakens their position as a bastion of innovation. They're encouraging people to make clocks for Vision Pro whilst the most exciting developments happen elsewhere.

iOS isn't just an extension of your Mac anymore but the central platform. It deserves to be as open as MacOS, Linux, Windows and Android with appropriate safeguards put in by Apple themselves to protect less tech savvy users (which work perfectly well on the Mac!) but also open up their dev tools to Windows and a PWA to lower the barrier of entry for aspiring developers.
 
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Meatwad said:
They would take a revenue hit. And the app store infrastructure isn't free. So how do you want to pay for this?

1. Make it the sellers problem? (App store fees.)
2. Make it your problem? (Pay to access app store, or pay higher device prices.)
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Divert some of the obscene iPhone profits to its upkeep. Apple are right to charge a percentage but *as Phil Schiller lobbied for* this should just represent running the App Store at cost instead of profit.
 
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I think this forced opening up of iOS/iPadOS is inevitable. Governments have wanted less secure systems for a while now, and a growing number of people are demanding it too.

I dread the day it comes to fruition. I'll manage, I keep up with IT enough to stay safe online, but many of my friends and family are much more vulnerable, and given some of the people in their orbit, it's a foregone conclusion that I will eventually be unpicking malware out of their iPhones.

No one has managed to explain to me why a closed system I like must, by law, be forced open. Saying that just because it's forced open doesn't mean I need to use the open bits misses the point entirely.
 
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jole said:
Maybe this is the key to the puzzle:
  • Apple to charge whatever they want for apps listed on app store; here Apple is the channel and entitled to finders fee
  • Allow downloading apps through external link with just developer tech fees; here Apple has not contributed to anything but dev tools
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Yeah this is it exactly. Enable this and Apple are instantly compliant. The second flow here must be possible entirely without Apples involvement though, which it still isn't, even after these changes.
 
A lot of changes in the way Apple operates is happening due to all these government regulations. Some of the forced changes are beneficial for the customers.
 
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breenmask said:
The DMA is pathetic and harms the consumer. Consumers don't want to go outside the app and this creates an unnecessary extra step. This is just beyond greed by Tim Sweeney of Epic Games and the like. It's objectively true.
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I harms consumers? Seems like all the apps in the epic store is cheaper than the AppStore. Isn’t that literally a benefit?
 
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