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But this year, other markets are suffering - especially emerging markets, even China, where a) the economy has slowed down and b) those year-on-year comparisons are tough, after strong growth in 2012 (opposite phenomenon to the US).

These are also the markets where Android is seeing the strongest growth, edging out the competition due to price. Emerging markets aren't going to want to pay the premium for Apple products, nor the higher price for Windows devices. Not when they have a cheap alternative that does the job just as well.
 
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Update the hardware by end of July and drop all prices by 150 to 250 .

Not that apple has a problem selling , imagine how much more they could sell if they'd stop being so greedy.

There's more then enough room to drop prices and still make enough and more to build a spaceship office space and the over paid salary's for the software manager's that know NOTHING about Quality Control.
 
Should have updated the MacBook Pros, iMac, and Mac mini at WWDC.

Yes. I don't see what's so difficult about spec bump updates.

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Update the hardware by end of July and drop all prices by 150 to 250 .

Not that apple has a problem selling , imagine how much more they could sell if they'd stop being so greedy.

They've probably calculated that lowering the price doesn't bring in enough customers to make it justified (that is, they'd lose potential revenue). If you're getting a cheap laptop, you're getting a cheap laptop, not a Mac even if it's cheaper than normal (?).
 
I want 5 iPad minis for Christmas presents for my grandchildren but why would I buy them when there MIGHT be a retina model coming out?

I bet there's a lot of people in this same state of uncertainty.

Now if they DO offer a retina iPad mini I hope they have enough of them for Christmas demand!
 
No one should even think Apple will catch up or surpass the PC market. Not when you can buy PC/Windows for 200 bucks or even less... Apple isn't even trying to compete anyway. No need to. Windows Monopoly early on is still going strong coupled with low cost cheap PCs, it will always lead in sales vs Apple Macs.
 
Macs don't either though. That meme of "Macs last longer" is simply not true.

You're full of it. I had an iBook for 6 years before the motherboard died. I had a 17" Powerbook that lasted 4 years (with me) because I sold it on Ebay after that just to get a new Mac. I had a Sunflower iMac that I had for 5 years until I sold it to my best friend and he's had it for 4 years. Only had to replace the hard drive. It's now 9 years old and he still uses it. I had a PowerMac G5 for 4 years problem free. Sold it to buy an iMac. I've had problems with a couple of iMacs since 2007 and that's it. My 2008 Macbook Air and 2010 Macbook Pro, problem free. GTFOH. :p
 
You're full of it. I had an iBook for 6 years before the motherboard died. I had a 17" Powerbook that lasted 4 years (with me) because I sold it on Ebay after that just to get a new Mac. I had a Sunflower iMac that I had for 5 years until I sold it to my best friend and he's had it for 4 years. Only had to replace the hard drive. It's now 9 years old and he still uses it. I had a PowerMac G5 for 4 years problem free. Sold it to buy an iMac. I've had problems with a couple of iMacs since 2007 and that's it. My 2008 Macbook Air and 2010 Macbook Pro, problem free. GTFOH. :p

And I have a Pentium 4 desktop PC problem free for 7 years and counting even if it does not covered by a fancy AppleCare. Yet my 2011 iMac has been problematic it's been repaired 3 times during the first year only until Apple replaces it with the brand new 2012 iMac. What's that saying about Mac durability?

My workplace has desktop PCs they won't replace too for so long and generally it is running fine along with Mac. Some Mac fails, some PC fails. Some last longer than the other but I could not conclude Mac lasts longer than PC. A well built PC with good components is just as good as any Mac out there.
 
I honestly believe that OS X has a very short remaining life span. Upgrading the A7 to 64-bit was the first step towards replacing OS X with iOS. 13" tablet coming next year and increasingly powerful chips will mean that iOS tablets will soon been laptop replacements. They will need to get iCloud into shape before this can fully happen.
 
I honestly believe that OS X has a very short remaining life span. Upgrading the A7 to 64-bit was the first step towards replacing OS X with iOS. 13" tablet coming next year and increasingly powerful chips will mean that iOS tablets will soon been laptop replacements. They will need to get iCloud into shape before this can fully happen.

Dear lord I hope not. iOS 6 and 7 are nice on phones and tablets but on a desktop? gross...

As a sound engineer I know that it'll be a either a long time or never that I stop using desktop and laptop computers in exchange for tablet. There just isn't the flexibility or the power and I can't imagine there being enough of either for a very long time. Now using a tablet as a control surface like in Logic Pro, that makes perfect sense.
 
Aren't the new rMBPs waiting for Thunderbolt 2?

I think you're right on this, it makes a lot of sense.

I've been thinking lately about how it would be challenging for Apple to release any kind of Retina Cinema Display until the MacBook Pro is able to also drive it.

Apple are great at marketing, but it would be pretty tough to market a cinema display that can't be used by their flagship laptops, given that so many people would opt for this setup over an iMac or a (new) Mac Pro + Display.

It also just makes sense from a timing point of view. I can't see any good reason why Haswell hasn't made it into the MBP by now apart from waiting for Thunderbolt 2.

Prediction for October 22: Apple will release the new Mac Pro, a new Retina Cinema Display (I half expect them to call this the "Apple Retina Display"), and new MBPs with Haswell / Thunderbolt 2 which can also drive these displays. Please?
 
Yay, we're third place ...

Take that Lenovo...

There is no point in releasing the Mac Pro without releasing a competing display which supports 4K, since the people buying the Mac Pro the cost is chicken feed to them.

Give them an even more incentive to get one :)....

....and receive a free version of Final Cut Pro
 
And I have a Pentium 4 desktop PC problem free for 7 years and counting even if it does not covered by a fancy AppleCare. Yet my 2011 iMac has been problematic it's been repaired 3 times during the first year only until Apple replaces it with the brand new 2012 iMac. What's that saying about Mac durability?

My workplace has desktop PCs they won't replace too for so long and generally it is running fine along with Mac. Some Mac fails, some PC fails. Some last longer than the other but I could not conclude Mac lasts longer than PC. A well built PC with good components is just as good as any Mac out there.

Now see, I never said Macs last longer than PC's, you brought that whole thing up on your own. I was responding to someone saying that Macs don't last, well mine have. You've only stated one Mac with a problem, that says nothing.

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I honestly believe that OS X has a very short remaining life span. Upgrading the A7 to 64-bit was the first step towards replacing OS X with iOS. 13" tablet coming next year and increasingly powerful chips will mean that iOS tablets will soon been laptop replacements. They will need to get iCloud into shape before this can fully happen.

Please use "IMO" when stating Non-Facts because everything you stated was made up in your own mind.
 
Now see, I never said Macs last longer than PC's, you brought that whole thing up on your own. I was responding to someone saying that Macs don't last, well mine have. You've only stated one Mac with a problem, that says nothing.

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Please use "IMO" when stating Non-Facts because everything you stated was made up in your own mind.

I did make it clear that it was my opinion, and dollars to donuts Apple is already making plans for this transition. IMHO.
 
Now see, I never said Macs last longer than PC's, you brought that whole thing up on your own. I was responding to someone saying that Macs don't last, well mine have. You've only stated one Mac with a problem, that says nothing.

My mom's 2011 27" iMac has had its hard drive fail twice within 6 months. My friend's 2011 27" iMac was recalled for hard drive problems, and the hard drive was also failing on that. There have been graphical problems on 2011 27" iMacs. That specific model (along with the 2006 iMac and 2004 iMac G5) is just really prone to problems.

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I honestly believe that OS X has a very short remaining life span. Upgrading the A7 to 64-bit was the first step towards replacing OS X with iOS. 13" tablet coming next year and increasingly powerful chips will mean that iOS tablets will soon been laptop replacements. They will need to get iCloud into shape before this can fully happen.

No tablet beats having my 20" screen with a 16" screen on the right, a keyboard, and a mouse. And if you mean that they're going to put iOS on a desktop, that would just be a really bad and useless idea. There's nothing wrong with OS X.
 
No tablet beats having my 20" screen with a 16" screen on the right, a keyboard, and a mouse. And if you mean that they're going to put iOS on a desktop, that would just be a really bad and useless idea. There's nothing wrong with OS X.

iOS on a desktop would be about horrible. Though I do believe we'll eventually see OSX as we know it get slowly phased out over time, replaced with something that'll work equally as well on a large, mouse driven display, and on larger, more powerful tablets.
 
"Never underestimate the American middle class to sacrifice their personal time and welfare to upkeep a cheap product line to avoid paying less up front."

Exactly! Somebody here gets it.

You have that right. A few years ago, I resigned from a company over the "thousands paper cut cost cutting" by the new CEO who only had an accounting and marketing background.

New ideas where considered too much of a risk. "What's that?" became way too much of a response when talking about new markets and technologies. At times I felt like I was leading children with not enough mischief in their eyes.

I threw a few links at her e-mail under variances of the title "The High Cost of Being Cheap." She refused to read them. The only way she knew how to increase profits was reducing expenses. In technology, that is suicidal.

It finally came to one of those walks into her corner office, slam the door closed and let the rest of the floor know I was in there to make something happen.

In short, her cost cutting drove the labor costs through the roof, turned down productivity and drove down morale. For me the final straw was the company picnic last summer where she dropped the catering and announced it was a pot luck. Catering for a crew that size wasn't even a grand in expenses. "We are not running a church picnic!" was the line many said.

Instead of having these creative people do their best to make wonderful product, they were delegated to, part-time entry level service jobs. This drove down production to say the least. The only response was "This is your ship and we all must make it clean!"

Common assigned overhead duties such as cooking, cleaning and even custodial duties created a lot of turnover. Another one that drove away many was someone monitoring and enforcing who was not washing their coffee cups in the break room instead of hiring a maid to take care of it during lunch and the end of the day.

It has been three years and no major product release since myself and a few others left. So many people dig their own hole and then scream when they can't get out blaming others for their problems.
 
My mom's 2011 27" iMac has had its hard drive fail twice within 6 months. My friend's 2011 27" iMac was recalled for hard drive problems, and the hard drive was also failing on that. There have been graphical problems on 2011 27" iMacs. That specific model (along with the 2006 iMac and 2004 iMac G5) is just really prone to problems.

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No tablet beats having my 20" screen with a 16" screen on the right, a keyboard, and a mouse. And if you mean that they're going to put iOS on a desktop, that would just be a really bad and useless idea. There's nothing wrong with OS X.

Not only nothing wrong, but something very right about using a full OS that honors the concept of a file, and especially that of a *user owned* file. In this regard iOS is for consumption or narrow creation, and OS X is for more generalized creation. And for those that think Apple should go iOS cuz that's all you need, be advised that iOS software is written using tools in OS X, and even Windows (another OS that honors files).
 
Still waiting on the updated retinas :rolleyes:
Release them and maybe they will see a change. Dont release anything new since the air, why would their sales magically grow?
 
No tablet beats having my 20" screen with a 16" screen on the right, a keyboard, and a mouse. And if you mean that they're going to put iOS on a desktop, that would just be a really bad and useless idea. There's nothing wrong with OS X.

Missing the point. The era of the pocketable PC is nearly nigh. With SoCs reaching absurd levels of performance and the development of cloud computing, full fledged PC replacements that can fit in your pocket are less than a decade away...and it's a race to see who gets their first. Microsoft has already made significant moves in that direction, and Apple is actively promoting the development of cross over software intended to be OS X and iOS compatible. Don't like computing on a 5" screen? Well the ability to display the screen of your mobile device onto a larger display has existed for years, and will see improvements. Pocketable terabyte hard drives already exist.

There's a reason that Apple proclaimed that the A7 was a desktop class chip. Apple sees the writing on the wall, and is attempting to develop an alternative to OS X as fast as possible.
 
I don't believe this report is true. Apple is number one when it comes to computers in the US and has consistently outperformed the market. I'm betting Mac sales are up.
 
These are also the markets where Android is seeing the strongest growth, edging out the competition due to price. Emerging markets aren't going to want to pay the premium for Apple products, nor the higher price for Windows devices. Not when they have a cheap alternative that does the job just as well.

Android sells back to school PCs?????
 
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