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I live in NY and was preparing to preorder the iPhone 6 on the apple website. I figured I would try to go through the process with the 5S to see how att next worked since I have never used it before. When I selected a next plan and clicked next I got a message that said "Customers who use their iPhone primarily in New York cannot use the AT&T Next purchase option online. You can click the Back button to select a different option, or visit an AT&T store to buy an iPhone with AT&T Next." I got this same message on the computer. The AT&T website seemed to work but I did not want to enter my CC info and fully go through with the purchase. Since I didn't I want to complete the purchase I chatted with an AT&T rep who confirmed it is true that you cannot purchase a phone with AT&T next if you live in NY.

This is utterly ridiculous and I just thought this should be known since I don't see it anywhere online yet.

That's bs! They better not pull that crap with me here in Cali!
 
you pocket people are funny, I wear designer jeans (deisel, hudson) and my 4.7" Galaxy S3 fits fine in all of them

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100's of phones? I think majority of those sales are from the Note and Galaxy so probably closer to 4 models make up that 75 Million

Oh I'm sure they make up a majority.....but Samsung sells a crap ton of products worldwide. And their best seller (the GS5) didn't even outsell the 8 month old (at the time) 5S....which didn't sell half of that 75 million.....

I have no doubt the Galaxy and Note make up a large portion of that 75 million.....but not a majority.
 
Geeze I just printed a mockup and that 5.5 is ridiculous... 4.7 for me. Too bad there is no IS on the 4.7 model.

Which one - the one from Ars technica?
http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/iphone-scale.pdf

The difference from the 4 to 4.7 is very minimal - given than it is thinner, it will probably feel better

From the 4 to the 5.5 - yea that's big - you would need to explore what you need this for.

To me, I am going with the 5.5 and will be able to do remote support using teamviewer for my clients without carrying a laptop.
 
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To be fair, according to Tim, Apple did over estimate the sales of the 5C compared to the 5S. That led to excess channel inventory and impacted overall sales. As to the rest of your post, you get no argument from me.

Aye - I believe his direct comment though was they mis-estimated the mix. Whether that's an underestimation of the 5S or an overestimation of the 5C, I suppose still support your point.

But as far as overall numbers go, I believe they hit their guidance that quarter regardless of the miss in mix.
 
20 million more than iPhone 5? Okay it's two devices but...Apple seems to think that iPhone 6 is the greatest thing they've ever made when in reality it's...a bigger (and slightly uglier imo) 5S. I'm not sure what part of the 6 Apple thinks "is the biggest advancement in the history of iPhone".

Perhaps one needs to hold it in ones hand to truly appreciate it. The only thing that interests me is the bigger, higher contrast ratio screen, but as a big one-handed user, if I can't use it well with one hand it's a no-go. And the fact that you really need a case to cover up that ugly back...and if it's 1GB RAM on top of that...oh dear...Still, it will sell millions. Because who wants to be stuck using last years model, right? ;)
So your gut tells you Apple's sales projections are too optimistic.

Maybe you'll be right and Apple will be wrong. In that case, you'll have a reason to trust you gut in future decisions, and others will have a reason to trust your predictions more than Apple's.

On the other hand, I Apple's projections turn out to be wrong, then people will trust you less, and you'll doubt your own gut feelings.

Either way, it's good to know who you can trust, including yourself.
 
Hahahahaha are you crazy, apple is 600billion dolars company, that means that apple can survive 5 maybe even 10 years without selling a thing, and you are saying that it will close its doors in january next year, come on man they'll sell millions of iphone 6 and 6plus, not to mention apple watch! If you really think that apple will collaps in few months...you are an idiot

It's called sarcasm. If you had looked at the numbers (which were in addition to 80 million iPhone 6), that would have been an exceptionally good year for Apple.
 
Got it! Thin makes the phone easier to handle. Slap a case on it and it no longer matters. Funny how people are defending a large iPhone after bashing Android for all these years. .
My wife's iPhone 5 sticks out of her pockets mid way. It would be impossible to do the same with either iPhone now.

Can i suggest she not shop at the Baby Gap? ;):D:D

Just kidding. The joke simply wrote itself. My wife has pants like that too. I honestly don't think those pockets weren't meant for anything to be put in them. They're purely decorative.

What's not funny? Guys wearing pants like that. Completely nuts. <-- intended.
 
I think the telling numbers are 2013. After selling 144 million SIIIs in 2012, Samsung only sold 40 million S4s. I believe the only thing that sells iPhones better than the iPhone experience is the Android experience.

I love that.

It looks like spending three times more on advertising than everyone else made people want to buy Samsung phones, but buying Samsung phones didn't make them want to buy more Samsung phones. And wasn't SIII the one that looked like an iPhone? (Actually I think that might have been the SII).
 
I've read some silly stuff on this forum, but this, this has to be the silliest.

Explain why. I have no idea whether I would be comfortable walking around with a 5.5" phone in my pocket or not.

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How many iPhone Fives were sold? Many of those are nearly two years old. How much better is the 6 from the 5? There is your answer. I know many more people with a 5 than with a 5s. Most of the folks with a 5 are upgrading. The 5 sold really well, but was replacing the vastly smaller market of 4 users.

That's what many people don't seem to understand. They shout "I'm not going to upgrade from 5s to 6, it's only 12 months into the contract" and they forget about the millions of millions of iPhone 5 owners who said the same 12 months ago about the 5s, and now they are all ready to upgrade. Plus all the more frugal iPhone 4s and iPhone 4 owners with 3 or 4 year old phones.

Plus of course gazillions of Samsung Galaxy owners who want a nice phone for a change.

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It means that it probably won't go any higher, whether it shouldn't or can't has nothing to do with it. 120 is really pushing it, and the watch certainly isn't adding to revenue and profits anytime soon...

80 million iPhone 6 around $700 until the end of this year.
10 million Apple Watches for $349 all of next year.

Apple Watch will do an awful lot for the reputation of the company. It might make a billion dollar profit which is a very nice number. But it won't affect the share price in any meaningful way.
 
They started assembling the iPhone6 a few months ago or they managed to build them in a really simple and fast way.

Remember that robot that put the glass on the back of the iPhone 5/5S? And tacking a picture and processing that picture before gluing the glass?

Remember that layer of transparent paint applied to the iPhone 5c? And then waiting for it to dry?

Those are thinks that slow down the assembly line. They are gone.
 
I love that.

It looks like spending three times more on advertising than everyone else made people want to buy Samsung phones, but buying Samsung phones didn't make them want to buy more Samsung phones. And wasn't SIII the one that looked like an iPhone? (Actually I think that might have been the SII).

I've never understood this criticism. It seems anyone with good business sense would want to advertise their products as much as possible. History has proven this to be the right choice for Samsung considering their rise from an also ran to the top of the Android market. They've also recently cut back on that advertising budget realizing they probably reached the zenith of effectiveness. From a business perspective I see nothing to criticize since the end goal is to make more money.

They could have taken a route like HTC. Make a great product and HOPE people will buy it. That hasn't worked out so well for them. And yes, it was the SII that looked similar to a larger iPhone.
 
I think Apple's sales projections are close to being accurate and here is why.

1. iPhone sales were already on the upswing even before the 6 was announced.

If people are buying the 5s in record numbers even knowing the 6 is right around the corner, that indicates huge demand.

2. Apple just increased global phablet cool factor and desirability. Apple sets fashion trends and alters the market.

3. The entire world has been talking about the new iPhones nonstop for many months. For that reason many people have been waiting for this exact moment to upgrade.

4. Samsung has lost its mojo as seen by their declining sales, weakening profits, and their new ads which reek of despair and only serve to refocus attention on Apple.

5. You may not like the bands or protruding camera but the 6 will be a jewel of physical and software engineering.

6. I didn't have the guts to sell my AAPL at 103 so I am desperate for my thesis to be right.

Lol thanks for reading 512ke
 
Not really: Samsung and LG both have awkward, limited one-hand modes, but not an elegant solution akin to Apple' Reachability. LG simply squishes the keyboard (not the whole UI) to one side--no help getting to stuff up top. And Samsung reduces the whole screen to a corner, making tap targets smaller and wasting the screen with ugly L-shaped black bars. And neither "solution" is ambidextrous.

Apple Reachability isn't some setting to dig for, it's ALWAYS present, and yet it takes effect only at the moment you need it, then automatically goes back to normal. It doesn't require a choice of left or right-handed, doesn't shrink anything (keeping it all easy to read and tap), doesn't look like a bug, and unlike LG, works for everything.

It's a great example of how others "just try anything" in an attempt to control another company's OS (Google), while Apple designs a well-thought-out user experience, from the ground up, built into the core OS.

No, lowering the screen down and having the other half just a black square is not a good thing. Lots of Apple people are saying it's still crap the way Apple did it.
 
I live in NY and was preparing to preorder the iPhone 6 on the apple website. I figured I would try to go through the process with the 5S to see how att next worked since I have never used it before. When I selected a next plan and clicked next I got a message that said "Customers who use their iPhone primarily in New York cannot use the AT&T Next purchase option online. You can click the Back button to select a different option, or visit an AT&T store to buy an iPhone with AT&T Next." I got this same message on the computer. The AT&T website seemed to work but I did not want to enter my CC info and fully go through with the purchase. Since I didn't I want to complete the purchase I chatted with an AT&T rep who confirmed it is true that you cannot purchase a phone with AT&T next if you live in NY.

This is utterly ridiculous and I just thought this should be known since I don't see it anywhere online yet.

But can't you just go to a store? There are tons of AT&T stores in NYC. Will they take a preorder from you there?
 
Seeing as preorders will happen ahead of actual devices in-store...
anyone know Apple's return/exchange policy should my 5.5" arrive and turns out I want the 4.7"?

Cheers.
 
But can't you just go to a store? There are tons of AT&T stores in NYC. Will they take a preorder from you there?

From my experience most in store preorders have to be picked up in store and even if it doesn't I wouldn't be able to get there to place the preorder until 6pm tomorrow which means I would have to wait forever to pick it up next week or it would be shipped much later than the release date.

I rather just wake up for 10 mins tonight, order online, and have it delivered to my door when I get home like everyone else in the country and everyone else on every other carrier in NY will be able to do.

PS These are definitely some first world problems lol.
 
From my experience most in store preorders have to be picked up in store and even if it doesn't I wouldn't be able to get there to place the preorder until 6pm tomorrow which means I would have to wait forever to pick it up next week or it would be shipped much later than the release date.

I rather just wake up for 10 mins tonight, order online, and have it delivered to my door when I get home like everyone else in the country and everyone else on every other carrier in NY will be able to do.

PS These are definitely some first world problems lol.

Another first world problem...

If you get up a 6:30 AM (EST) would that be too late for the first wave? I remember last year with the 5s everything was sold out by 7:00-10:00 AM

Getting up at 3:00 AM (EST) to order a phone is nutty.
 
I've got to try the sizes out first in store anyway, so I'm not preordering. I might just keep my 5 another year. Where are the iPhone 6S rumors :D
 
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As an Apple fanboy (self-professed), even I am amazed at the amount of hypocrisy when it comes to the 5.5" model. The new "features" are a joke (and necessary because of the size) and were clearly designed to give people something to rationalize buying something they said they would never even consider (and most made fun of... the Note for example).

I dislike the Note. Always have, always will. And not because of it's features or OS either, but because of it's SIZE.

Prior to the launch, I was far from alone. There used to be rants about "using something with one hand" or "looking ridiculous" but now, magically almost, that doesn't matter.

It's a free country, and I really couldn't care less if someone wants to buy the 5.5 after a lifetime of large phone hate (presumably because it wasn't an iPhone, as evidenced by the last 2 days). But to say that the sheer amount of flip flopping over the last few days isn't hypocritical for the people who used to claim all of the negatives about bigger phones is laughable.

Can you cite specific people who have flip flopped? Because I keep seeing comments like yours but have yet to see any actual users identified as flip flopping. Yes there are many who bashed large phones and many who now want the 6+. Are you sure these groups overlap significantly? I, for example, have long thought the note phones were absurd and feel the same about the 6+. I actually wish apple had made the 6 more like 4.3" and smaller bezels, so same overall size as the 5/5s.
 
Can you cite specific people who have flip flopped? Because I keep seeing comments like yours but have yet to see any actual users identified as flip flopping. Yes there are many who bashed large phones and many who now want the 6+. Are you sure these groups overlap significantly? I, for example, have long thought the note phones were absurd and feel the same about the 6+. I actually wish apple had made the 6 more like 4.3" and smaller bezels, so same overall size as the 5/5s.

I don't think I've flip flopped. At least not yet. But I would like a small smartphone. I'm okay with 3.5". Would prefer the 4" form factor, no thinner, but with a larger battery achieved through the miniaturization of other parts. And that is what I've been pushing for. That said, I've got big hands and the larger form factor is going to work for me fine. So I'm likely to buy a 6 and I haven't even ruled out the 6+.
 
I've never understood this criticism. It seems anyone with good business sense would want to advertise their products as much as possible. History has proven this to be the right choice for Samsung considering their rise from an also ran to the top of the Android market. They've also recently cut back on that advertising budget realizing they probably reached the zenith of effectiveness. From a business perspective I see nothing to criticize since the end goal is to make more money.

They could have taken a route like HTC. Make a great product and HOPE people will buy it. That hasn't worked out so well for them. And yes, it was the SII that looked similar to a larger iPhone.

Nothing wrong with advertising.

However, there has been a continuous meme that Apple is only selling products through marketing. And when Samsung started spending three times more on marketing, somehow that didn't get mentioned anywhere. So I like mentioning it.

Why, why, why cannot there be a 4" version of iPhone 6 as well?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Someone looking at all the details might tell us what the difference between a 5s and a hypothetical 4" iPhone 6 would be. Except for the number.

This may just be clever marketing. There will be people with a 12 month old 5s who wouldn't upgrade if they thought rationally. If there was a 4" iPhone 6 they might like at their 5s and say "I have a phone that is almost the same as the small iPhone 6" and not buy it; by making the 5s and the smaller iPhone 6 different enough, the same person might be convinced to buy an iPhone 6. I know that's unreasonable, but people _are_ unreasonable.
 
apple.com/dk says "Available to order on 26 september".
Wondering if that really means pre-order on the 26th or will they actually ship on the 26th (=no need to pre-order in DK)?

I read it as being no preorder - we're on the same 2nd wave rollout in Sweden as you Danes, and the 26th is the official release day. So...you can order it on the 26th, but as for it actually shipping that day, it will depend entirely on the availability of the size, colour, and capacity you want...
 
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