Got a tip for us?
Let us know
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Apple and Meta Reportedly Discussed AI Partnership for iOS 18
- Thread starter MacRumors
- Start date
- Sort by reaction score
The same Meta who allowed Trump’s Steve Bannon to access 87 million users data illegally in exchange for cash?
No thanks. Apple, never allow Facebook this level of access, no matter how good their LLM is.
No thanks. Apple, never allow Facebook this level of access, no matter how good their LLM is.
I want nothing to do with anything that touches Meta if I can avoid it. Apple partnering with Meta on AI will simply mean I will not use it.
I've never seen another forum where you can so clearly tell the ages of most users like this one. Ya'll old asf.
IMHO this essentially a power play / negotiating tactic. If they chose one AI above all then negotiating with that provider would be hard. By adopting several then none of those providers is in a position of strength to make annoying demands.
In addition, of course, this is early days and no-one knows how the engines will evolve: another reason not to overly commit.
By the same reasoning I suspect that the reason Apple Satellite services are not with Starlink is because they would really LIKE to be with Starlink. But if they said that up front, how to negotiate a good deal?
In addition, of course, this is early days and no-one knows how the engines will evolve: another reason not to overly commit.
By the same reasoning I suspect that the reason Apple Satellite services are not with Starlink is because they would really LIKE to be with Starlink. But if they said that up front, how to negotiate a good deal?
I really struggle with AI in general. I have yet to see something it actually does that hasn't already been done for many many many years.
Using voice recognition and Apple as an example, I distinctly remember when Speakable Items was added to Macintosh System 7.1.2 some time in the 1990s. It was so cool, it worked really well, and it was programable by performing AppleScripts with custom commands. TBH, it worked quite a bit better for some use cases than Siri does today.
Years later in MacOS X in 10.3, they reintroduced a lot of the capability that was lost in the OS X transition.
In 10.8, they added dictation, with offline dictation being added in 10.9.
In 10.15, they claimed "Voice Control" as a new feature that had actually been available for longer than 20 years on macOS. The claim was that users could now give instructions to to control applications - to a user of voice control since the 90s, this wasn't new to me. Maybe the need for AppleScript was eliminated through new APIs?
Now, as we move into the AI age, everyone is trying to convince me that voice recognition and the ability to say verbal commands and get responses is something new and complex.
To use another example:
Tools like chatGPT - what I observe, and have been shown by people that are wowed by its capability, is a simple input, response chat bot.
I distinctly remember chatting with Smarter Child - one of, or perhaps the very first, chat bot designed for instant message platforms in the 1990s (AIM, MSN, etc). At first, it was a toy - you could ask it it's name and have a basic "how are you today?" conversation and it would give silly or appropriate basic responses. By the late 90s it was a useful tool to do things like get movie times at the local theater (which at the time would have otherwise required making a phone call to the theater or checking the newspaper), getting phone numbers and addresses for businesses, and things like that.
As far is information is concerned, it seems I can get the same information by doing a Google search that I can by asking chatGPT. The information results from chatGPT are often more difficult to get (as it keeps asking to be more specific) and difficult to verify.
I just don't get it. AI isn't doing anything for me that I haven't already been able to do for decades. I don't understand all of the apparent compute power required to do things that are at best only slightly better than what was being done in the 1990s on chips measured in MHz and RAM measured in KB.
Using voice recognition and Apple as an example, I distinctly remember when Speakable Items was added to Macintosh System 7.1.2 some time in the 1990s. It was so cool, it worked really well, and it was programable by performing AppleScripts with custom commands. TBH, it worked quite a bit better for some use cases than Siri does today.
Years later in MacOS X in 10.3, they reintroduced a lot of the capability that was lost in the OS X transition.
In 10.8, they added dictation, with offline dictation being added in 10.9.
In 10.15, they claimed "Voice Control" as a new feature that had actually been available for longer than 20 years on macOS. The claim was that users could now give instructions to to control applications - to a user of voice control since the 90s, this wasn't new to me. Maybe the need for AppleScript was eliminated through new APIs?
Now, as we move into the AI age, everyone is trying to convince me that voice recognition and the ability to say verbal commands and get responses is something new and complex.
To use another example:
Tools like chatGPT - what I observe, and have been shown by people that are wowed by its capability, is a simple input, response chat bot.
I distinctly remember chatting with Smarter Child - one of, or perhaps the very first, chat bot designed for instant message platforms in the 1990s (AIM, MSN, etc). At first, it was a toy - you could ask it it's name and have a basic "how are you today?" conversation and it would give silly or appropriate basic responses. By the late 90s it was a useful tool to do things like get movie times at the local theater (which at the time would have otherwise required making a phone call to the theater or checking the newspaper), getting phone numbers and addresses for businesses, and things like that.
As far is information is concerned, it seems I can get the same information by doing a Google search that I can by asking chatGPT. The information results from chatGPT are often more difficult to get (as it keeps asking to be more specific) and difficult to verify.
I just don't get it. AI isn't doing anything for me that I haven't already been able to do for decades. I don't understand all of the apparent compute power required to do things that are at best only slightly better than what was being done in the 1990s on chips measured in MHz and RAM measured in KB.
Older folks are more likely to use and like FB
(was that your point?)
FB is notoriously struggling to gain popularity with younger demographics
Most of it is really just souped up machine learning
Silicon Valley and the VC set is desperate to jam some "big new thing" (whether it is or not) down everyone's throats and profit from another round of ripping everyone off on something that is nothing (just like Crypto..just like NFTs..)
not the person you replied to, but lack of basic phones with LTE and 5G connectivity for my region. My old dumb phones maxes out at 3G (HSPA), and the 3G networks have all been shut down.
It’s probably from some artist on DeviantArt. Look long enough and 9/10 you will find the exact same image. Some are even generated with a user’s watermark!
Integrating with Meta is a fatal mistake. That company takes every opportunity to steal private info all the while knowing it's illegal. Their ethics level is less than that of an actual thief. In 2019 when I got laid off, I did not apply to FB even though I did need a job and they had openings that fit me perfectly.
Apple and Meta got opposite philosophies about privacy. I'm surprised this was even a topic, despite that it may fall through.
Apple and Meta got opposite philosophies about privacy. I'm surprised this was even a topic, despite that it may fall through.
Agreed but Altman wins at this point by default … unfortunately for us all ….
It is my understanding that the only way OpenAI and other third party LLMs get access to private data is if you sign into your OpenAI account.
Otherwise, all queries are stripped of identifiers (location, IP address, etc) by Apple before the query leaves the device.
I hope you’ll be able to pick and choose your AI sources on iOS and it won’t be all or nothing.
The amount of panties being twisted in a bunch over this is unreal. Apple is going to allow you to pick from several different chat bots. If you don’t want Meta’s, and I sure as hell don’t, then do what I will do if they do happen to make a deal and don’t pick it as an option. Problem solved…..