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I buy Blu Ray 3D and just stream Netflix for what I did not see at the cinema.

Agree with you there, I buy in bluray for the sound and picture...now..I just hope the sound is good with update..was no mention of it as usual with the Apple TV updates.
 
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So is the functionality, for the time being, identical to the fourth generation? If your TVs are only 1080p, is there little reason to upgrade at this time?

There are speed improvements in the UI?

I wonder if the Apple TV will stream 4K content if you are outputting at 1080p since in theory the less compressed or higher quality 4k stream could look better even down converted to 1080p since streamed 1080p isn't exactly the best to begin with.
 
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IF the card driver supports HDR it will display HDR ...

all new cards from Nvidia and AMD support HDR , so expect any imac with Pascal/Polaris GPU to support HDR as well.

Assuming the GPU is integrated into the OS properly that the metadata in the video file is actually utilized. Also assuming the display is 10-bit for the wider color range (good news, the 2017 iMac is this at least), and that the backlight controls are good enough for the larger brightness range. That's still a couple of unanswered assumptions there.

What I'm saying is, I don't want to speculate on the capabilities of things when we have to assume that Apple implemented it (been burned on that front enough times), or thought far enough ahead to ensure that all the processing needed for HDR is present, or could be added in software later.
 
All those specs are useless if Apple continue to limit and lock down the software. Apple need to allow side loading of apps, emulators, etc. and allow personal ripped bluray to be stored and played. Also, allow connecting a keyboard and mouse to be used as an internet terminal.
 
Why not ? you can still plug into any mac PC using LAN , and I dont think that Apple TV files are that huge to need USBC fast bandwidth.

I Think Apple removed the USB C port to prevent people from using External haddisk on a jailbrake apple TV.

and this sucks .. I personally moved from Apple TV to Nvidia Shield long time ago and enjoying the 4K+HDR and internal harddisk for a long time already.

Because plugging it in that way won't mount the atv in itunes which is what you need to happen if you were to do a clean install via the ipsw file.

On the atv 2 and 3 it was via micro usb and in atv 4 it is via usb-c.

I still doubt this will work via lan.
 
Unfortunately also my situation. 50 GB per month and we need most of that already without streaming movies. No HD or 4K streaming for us and I know we are not the only one. If Netflix, Amazon, Apple etc. want to grow this market they need better connections first.

Holy smokes. 50gb a month cap for internet in your home? Gezzz and I'm complaining about 1TB a month not being enough for 4k.

Consumer reports states:

"Streaming 4K content with high dynamic range can eat up 7GB to 10GB of data per hour".

To me 4k is a non starter unless your doing 4K disks on a 4K blu-ray player. Streaming is out of the question.
 
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Assuming the GPU is integrated into the OS properly that the metadata in the video file is actually utilized. Also assuming the display is 10-bit for the wider color range (good news, the 2017 iMac is this at least), and that the backlight controls are good enough for the larger brightness range. That's still a couple of unanswered assumptions there.

What I'm saying is, I don't want to speculate on the capabilities of things when we have to assume that Apple implemented it (been burned on that front enough times), or thought far enough ahead to ensure that all the processing needed for HDR is present, or could be added in software later.

Ofc I mean the new imacs 2017 , they are the only ones with HDR ready GPU ....

as for the screen well you will need to use an HDR monitor in two monitors setup. I dont think that imac screens are HDR enabled or capable of HDR brightness they are just 500 nits (1000 nits needed for good results)
 
Look up H.265 (HEVC)

And those pinched for bandwidth are not forced to ONLY download 4K... just as the 1080P :apple:TV didn't force anyone to download ONLY 1080p. Choose the options that work best for you.

I am familiar with H265.

Apple's posted specs for the 4K Apple TV are:

H.264/HEVC SDR video up to 2160p, 60 fps, Main/Main 10 profile

HEVC Dolby Vision (Profile 5)/HDR10 (Main 10 profile) up to 2160p

H.264 Baseline Profile level 3.0 or lower with AAC-LC audio up to 160 Kbps per channel, 48kHz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats

MPEG-4 video up to 2.5 Mbps, 640 by 480 pixels, 30 fps, Simple profile with AAC-LC audio up to 160 Kbps, 48kHz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats

I am not too familiar with Dolby Vision. It does not appear to be a H265 codec or format. So since I do not see H265 in their specs can I assume it does not support H265? Or does it?
 
All those specs are useless if Apple continue to limit and lock down the software. Apple need to allow side loading of apps, emulators, etc. and allow personal ripped bluray to be stored and played. Also, allow connecting a keyboard and mouse to be used as an internet terminal.

Sounds like you want a PC/Mac Mini and not an ATV5.
 
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Because plugging it in that way won't mount the atv in itunes which is what you need to happen if you were to do a clean install via the ipsw file.

On the atv 2 and 3 it was via micro usb and in atv 4 it is via usb-c.

I still doubt this will work via lan.
They must have a new way for developers, then.... No way to load a beta the old way without USB-C! Special code to boot from network? I have no clue.... But I don't see any USB-C port info either, unless it's a pure typo.
 
I am familiar with H265.

Apple's posted specs for the 4K Apple TV are:

H.264/HEVC SDR video up to 2160p, 60 fps, Main/Main 10 profile

HEVC Dolby Vision (Profile 5)/HDR10 (Main 10 profile) up to 2160p

H.264 Baseline Profile level 3.0 or lower with AAC-LC audio up to 160 Kbps per channel, 48kHz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats

MPEG-4 video up to 2.5 Mbps, 640 by 480 pixels, 30 fps, Simple profile with AAC-LC audio up to 160 Kbps, 48kHz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats

I am not too familiar with Dolby Vision. It does not appear to be a H265 codec or format. So since I do not see H265 in their specs can I assume it does not support H265? Or does it?

HEVC = H265 , is just another name for it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Efficiency_Video_Coding
 
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Look up H.265 (HEVC)

And those pinched for bandwidth are not forced to ONLY download 4K... just as the 1080P :apple:TV didn't force anyone to download ONLY 1080p. Choose the options that work best for you.

OK. So we are not forced to download 4K content. So what would be the point if I buy a 4K Apple TV and choose the 1080P format? Does the Apple TV upscale?
 
I'm not worried about Disney, I think they'll upgrade to UHD as they are released. To date, Disney has only released 1 movie in UHD, Galaxy Quest Vol. 2. Remember, Disney is the only movie studio to date to upgrade SD digital copies to HD when you linked your iTunes and DMA accounts.

As far as your "all movies" quote. Apple can only upgrade the movies that the studios released in 4k so, don't expect literally all of your HD movies to be 4k over night. 4K UHD is still a young format, it is going to take a while for studios to upgrade there back catalogs.



I just want to know why Apple is willing to do this now but, they refuse to upgrade SD versions to HD?
All good points. As for upgrading haven't they always sold movies as a choice of either SD or HD ever since Gen 1 HDD based model? You make the choice at purchase which one fits your needs and SD content is less $. Since HD has evolved they have upgraded along the way. Content I purchased at 720p is now 1080p on my 4th gen and so on to 4k. SD is stuck there. They SHOULD less you do a library update minimal cost per title like they did with music a decade ago or so.
 
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I'm curious, what's the benefit of sending it undecoded versus sending PCM? The digital decode step should produce identical PCM in all cases, so I'm sure I'm missing something.
It does not produce identical audio in all cases. There has been devices and software that have downsampled the audio once decoded. The only way to know for sure your audio is untouched is via bitstreaming.
Either way, it still cannot handle Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD or their extensions, atmos and DTS:X
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Awe Ha. Thanks for the info. Can you tell me what data rate H.265 streams at?

Depends on the material.
 
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They must have a new way for developers, then.... No way to load a beta the old way without USB-C! Special code to boot from network? I have no clue.... But I don't see any USB-C port info either, unless it's a pure typo.

I bet they will sell Developer Apple TV for double the price.
 
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It does not produce identical audio in all cases. There has been devices and software that have downsampled the audio once decoded. The only way to know for sure your audio is untouched is via bitstreaming.
Either way, it still cannot handle Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD or their extensions, atmos and DTS:X
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Depends on the material.

OK Say I purchased Wonder Woman in 4K, and wanted to stream it in 4K using H.265?

Edit: I did a quick search and it appears it may cut off a third to half of the bandwidth.
In my situation, I am not sure that would be enough to stay under a 1TB cap. Maybe if we monitor our usage. Time will tell. Thanks for the help.
 
I just want to know one thing. Specs say it supports Apple Lossless but do not specify at what sample size and rate. Even ATV 3 will play Apple Lossless HD Audio 24 bit/96 kHz from iTunes, but it downsamples to 16 bit/44.1 kHz (or maybe 16/48 kHz in this example). Now that it has gigabit ethernet, maybe this new ATV will pass through or support higher bitrate audio? It would be great to not have to use DNLA servers to get the HD Audio from iTunes.
 
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I'm also really excited about streaming my photography collection in 4k! ATV has the best photo slideshow ability and I can play it to iTunes playlists. Nice.
 
15 Mbps is the minimum bandwidth you will need to watch HEVC at 4K resolution and good quality picture. 20Mbps is ideal.

I've got the bandwidth. I have 150mbps service. More than enough to stream 4K. I am talking about a data cap. Cox in my area limits you to 1TB of data per month. If you go over that, you pay A LOT extra. If I streamed a regular amount of 4k material I would surpass my data cap. I am already at 700gb per month as it is.
 
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