Apple Announces 'Apple TV 4K' With 4K and HDR Video Powered by Faster A10X Chip

[bananataffy]

Yeah, like 2 others have said, don't see the point in buying this if the Nvidia Shield is available at the same price. I guess if you only source your media downloads directly from Apple, the ATV may be more convenient.

Why?

ATV (actually TVOS) has both Plex and InFuse Apps that can stream from your Plex server, too.

For one thing (among others,) it won't be able to run Kodi. I have a media server with all my media ripped onto it (tons of stuff not available to stream, or purchase via Apple.) Kodi is an amazing library manager that's super straightforward to set-up, seamless, and handles everything without a hitch. Plex doesn't really compare IMO for local media. The Shield is the best platform for such usage and has an excellent remote. It can pretty much do everything the ATV can.

 

[jeremlapeuf]

Okay so let's say I want to play a 4k + HDR movie encoded in H265 on VLC media Player on my macbook pro retina, and I have a 199$ + tax apple TV 4k HDR with 64GB connected to my TV, if I use Airplay to copy what's on my computer screen to the TV is the movie playing on my TV screen going to be in 4K + HDR ?

 

[AFEPPL]

Airplay sucks, that's a reason to go a different direction right there.!!!!

 

[netwalker]

Too bad my internet provider just implemented data caps. Unless Apple came up with some clever compression algorithm, or is negotiating a deal with most providers who are jumping on the data cap bandwagon, no 4K streaming for me.

Unfortunately also my situation. 50 GB per month and we need most of that already without streaming movies. No HD or 4K streaming for us and I know we are not the only one. If Netflix, Amazon, Apple etc. want to grow this market they need better connections first.

 

[sna3]

Why not the A11 chip ?? Apple TV does not update each year , and the A10 chip will be old soon..

Apple TV should play games on TV as well and this needs the latest chip ... I dont know whats stopping Apple from making the APPLE TV a gaming console as well .. Tons of Games are on IOS already.

 

[Krevnik]

Why not the A11 chip ?? Apple TV does not update each year , and the A10 chip will be old soon..

Apple TV should play games on TV as well and this needs the latest chip ... I dont know whats stopping Apple from making the APPLE TV a gaming console as well .. Tons of Games are on IOS already.

If your goal is to drive a big honkin' display at 3840x2160, versus the 2436x1125 that the iPhone X has, you want the beefier GPU that the X line of Apple's SoCs carry. The A10X also is 3 big + 3 little cores, versus the 2 big + 4 little in the A11. The A11 has a lower TDP, and is newer, but isn't a slam dunk on the Apple TV where a low TDP isn't really needed, but the extra high power core, along with the GPU grunt that the iPad Pros carry, is more beneficial.

 

[tywebb13]

Is the usb-c port gone?

Can't see it anywhere.

Tech specs page https://www.apple.com/apple-tv-4k/specs/ lists ports and interfaces as:

Gigabit Ethernet

HDMI 2.0a

802.11ac Wi‑Fi with MIMO; simultaneous dual band (2.4GHz and 5GHz)

Gigabit Ethernet

Bluetooth 5.0 wireless technology

IR receiver

Built‑in power supply

So this is very concerning if there is in fact no longer a usb-c port.

How on earth can you do a clean install of the full ipsw files for betas?

Whilst most people update via ota, developers will still have to be able to do clean installs from ipsw files.

Can't see how you could do it via hdmi or ethernet either.

Maybe I'm wrong and maybe there is still a usb-c port hidden somewhere on it.

Hope there is!

 

[cycomiko]

A million ghz and it still comes with an Apple TV Remote rather than a Siri Remote.

I was so excited for an AppleTV with apps but its been largely unimpressive. Might be better in the States, but that limits it to a small amount of the global population. Why spend more money on bad rubbish?

 

[cube]

Those are for physical titles ON SALE.

I only buy media on sale.

 

[sna3]

If your goal is to drive a big honkin' display at 3840x2160, versus the 2436x1125 that the iPhone X has, you want the beefier GPU that the X line of Apple's SoCs carry. The A10X also is 3 big + 3 little cores, versus the 2 big + 4 little in the A11. The A11 has a lower TDP, and is newer, but isn't a slam dunk on the Apple TV where a low TDP isn't really needed, but the extra high power core, along with the GPU grunt that the iPad Pros carry, is more beneficial.

they have A11X ready ... they just did not release it yet , will come to the next Ipad ...
Apple always design both , one for phones and one for the Tablets.

 

[MBPnoob]

Does anyone have any idea about Disney Movies Anywhere? If they will be upgraded?

I have GOTG2, but on VUDU, and then linked to iTunes with DMA. I wonder if they will upgrade us..?

 

[sna3]

Is the usb-c port gone?

Can't see it anywhere.

Tech specs page https://www.apple.com/apple-tv-4k/specs/ lists ports and interfaces as:

Gigabit Ethernet

HDMI 2.0a

802.11ac Wi‑Fi with MIMO; simultaneous dual band (2.4GHz and 5GHz)

Gigabit Ethernet

Bluetooth 5.0 wireless technology

IR receiver

Built‑in power supply

So this is very concerning if there is in fact no longer a usb-c port.

How on earth can you do a clean install of the full ipsw files for betas?

Whilst most people update via ota, developers will still have to be able to do clean installs from ipsw files.

Can't see how you could do it via hdmi or ethernet either.

Maybe I'm wrong and maybe there is still a usb-c port hidden somewhere on it.

Hope there is!

Why not using the Gbit LAN ? it will work fine .
[doublepost=1505256458][/doublepost]IMO APPLE TV should have internal hard disk ... I bought Nvidia Shield over Apple TV just for this option.

what 64GB max storage Apple are you nuts? This is a TV running 4K movies. and I want offline media player not only Online box.

 

[Krevnik]

they have A11X ready ... they just did not release it yet , will come to the next Ipad ...
Apple always design both , one for phones and one for the Tablets.

Oh, I know it is in development, but it isn't a production part yet and won't be for months. You can't ship products on jotted paper and wet dreams.

 

[tywebb13]

Why not using the Gbit LAN ? it will work fine .

I'm not talking about normal updates.

I'm talking about the full ipsw files you can download from the developer downloads website, plug it into a mac with usb-c cable and do a full restore via itunes.

That is how it is done on the current atv.

Without the usb-c port, that can't happen anymore and that is why I am concerned about it.

 

[jigzaw]

Have they given any indication whether iTunes content in 4K will work on the 5K Retina iMac? There is currently no legal way I know of to watch 4K movies on a computer. The UHD Blurays won't play on it and Netflix also doesn't allow 4K streaming on a Mac. I don't have a 4K TV but if I can watch my movies on the iMac in 4K, that will be a compelling reason to stay in the iTunes world for renting/buying digitally..

 

[sna3]

I'm not talking about normal updates.

I'm talking about the full ipsw files you can download from the developer downloads website, plug it into a mac with usb-c cable and do a full restore via itunes.

That is how it is done on the current atv.

Without the usb-c port, that can't happen anymore and that is why I am concerned about it.

Why not ? you can still plug into any mac PC using LAN , and I dont think that Apple TV files are that huge to need USBC fast bandwidth.

I Think Apple removed the USB C port to prevent people from using External haddisk on a jailbrake apple TV.

and this sucks .. I personally moved from Apple TV to Nvidia Shield long time ago and enjoying the 4K+HDR and internal harddisk for a long time already.

 

[archer75]

Lack of HD audio passthrough makes this a no buy. It doesn't even passthrough DD+ but rather decodes it and sends out PCM. Disappointing.

 

[Krevnik]

Have they given any indication whether iTunes content in 4K will work on the 5K Retina iMac? There is currently no legal way I know of to watch 4K movies on a computer. The UHD Blurays won't play on it and Netflix also doesn't allow 4K streaming on a Mac. I don't have a 4K TV but if I can watch my movies on the iMac in 4K, that will be a compelling reason to stay in the iTunes world for renting/buying digitally..

High Sierra has the HEVC support needed to do it. But the 5K iMac may not use the HDR metadata like the new iOS/tvOS devices. I personally expect they will let you do it, but it may not be up to the same level. Hard to say with Apple talking so little about HDR and macOS.

 

[jettredmont]

I only buy media on sale.

... then wait for iTunes movies to be on sale (routinely $9.99 for HD movies, $7.99 or less for older HD). You are comparing a sale price with the regular price, which as many have pointed out, is just silly.

 

[Krevnik]

Lack of HD audio passthrough makes this a no buy. It doesn't even passthrough DD+ but rather decodes it and sends out PCM. Disappointing.

I'm curious, what's the benefit of sending it undecoded versus sending PCM? The digital decode step should produce identical PCM in all cases, so I'm sure I'm missing something.

 

[sna3]

High Sierra has the HEVC support needed to do it. But the 5K iMac may not use the HDR metadata like the new iOS/tvOS devices. I personally expect they will let you do it, but it may not be up to the same level. Hard to say with Apple talking so little about HDR and macOS.

IF the card driver supports HDR it will display HDR ...

all new cards from Nvidia and AMD support HDR , so expect any imac with Pascal/Polaris GPU to support HDR as well.

 

[cube]

... then wait for iTunes movies to be on sale (routinely $9.99 for HD movies, $7.99 or less for older HD). You are comparing a sale price with the regular price, which as many have pointed out, is just silly.

I don't buy media downloads.

 

[BWhaler]

Amazing pricing and honoring those who have built a library of movies. This will keep customers buying because we don't have to worry about (planned)obsolescence.

Bummer not to see Disney on that list. They were usually first in supporting Apple.

 

[HMFIC03]

A million ghz and it still comes with an Apple TV Remote rather than a Siri Remote.

I was so excited for an AppleTV with apps but its been largely unimpressive. Might be better in the States, but that limits it to a small amount of the global population. Why spend more money on bad rubbish?

Here is why...Content w/Apple Store, Blutooth 5.0!!! for game controllers, headphones, best UI of any tv box on the market, and the computer power/memory.

 

[killr_b]

https://www.monoprice.com/product?c_id=101&cp_id=10113&cs_id=1011310&p_id=15747&seq=1&format=2

Six HDMI inputs, all supporting HDCP 2.2. Two HDMI outputs, plus split out stereo audio AND multi-channel (surround) toslink digital audio.

You are welcome.

Just get one of these.. much cheaper: https://www.amazon.com/HDMI-Audio-E...1&sr=1-1-spons&keywords=hdmi+optical+4k&psc=1

Neither of those will work.