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Apple Announces August 28th Availability of Snow Leopard

ascender said:
Just regarding the shipping, in the UK it says ships by the 28th, which is exactly the same situation as when Leopard came out. They'll send them in the next couple of days so as many people as possible get them on the 28th. Nothing to worry about :)
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Thank you. I was waiting for someone to point this out... my Leopard order said the same thing (Ships By: <<Release Date>>), but it dropped through the letter box ON the release date. I expect the same.
 
bingee said:
I want to upgrade from Tiger straight to Snow Leopard and don't mind paying the £80 or so that an upgrade from Tiger to Leopard would cost. But I refuse to pay the £129 upgrade pack as I have no need for any of the iWork/iLife applications. Apple's policy would seem to alienate a large number of it's loyal users.
Come on Apple there must be a third way!
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I'm not sure what the price difference is between the US and UK, but putting that into US dollars...A normal full copy of the OS would run $129, and I believe our box set runs $169. So for $40 more, you're getting the updated iLife ($80) *AND* iWork ($80) - well worth the price, even if you weren't gonna use those programs very much...$20 each? That's a bargain...
 
Snow Leopard out friday.. Yipee! :) Just hope my UTD version ships before then as is still says shipping September which is a bit worrying...

Bit troubled about the "Upgrade" bit too, for all the reasons people have already stated; when i re-install my OS i really would rather just put one disc in the drive and not have to install Leopard first... Makes a bit of a mockery surely of Apple's claim that SL installs so much faster... Well it won't be that fast if you have to install Leopard first!!! :(
 
GoKyu said:
I'm not sure what the price difference is between the US and UK, but putting that into US dollars...A normal full copy of the OS would run $129, and I believe our box set runs $169. So for $40 more, you're getting the updated iLife ($80) *AND* iWork ($80) - well worth the price, even if you weren't gonna use those programs very much...$20 each? That's a bargain...
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actually $5 each. you forgot to count the $29 for SL. The $129 is only for Leopard.
 
r.j.s said:
Here's the problem with your argument ...

You purchase the disc, but you license the software on it. You do not, under any circumstance, own the software - Apple does. You own the physical disc, and you can destroy it, scratch it, play it in a CD player, whatever you want to do - with the disc. You have a license to use the software on the disc, not ownership of it.
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Many people feel no guilt about putting a 'single' disk on two machines. We can argue about licenses, ownership etc but at the end of the day if people feel their actions are morally sound, and know those who disagree will not punish them, then they will do it. Those who feel a license is unfair/unjustified will break it.

My food analogy was not great, I know, but I was just trying to improve another users first food analogy.
 
Bevz said:
Snow Leopard out friday.. Yipee! :) Just hope my UTD version ships before then as is still says shipping September which is a bit worrying...

Bit troubled about the "Upgrade" bit too, for all the reasons people have already stated; when i re-install my OS i really would rather just put one disc in the drive and not have to install Leopard first... Makes a bit of a mockery surely of Apple's claim that SL installs so much faster... Well it won't be that fast if you have to install Leopard first!!! :(
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if you've ordered a UTD disc, why do you need to install Leopard first...??
 
zaramu said:
actually $5 each. you forgot to count the $29 for SL. The $129 is only for Leopard.
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Oh no, I knew that - The OP was saying he wanted a stand alone copy, so assuming a $129 (whatever it would cost in the UK) version of Snow Leopard was available, it's only a little more to get the box set and save quite a bit of money...
 
zaramu said:
if you've ordered a UTD disc, why do you need to install Leopard first...??
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I won't have to this (first) time round as i've already got leopard on my laptop, but if i have to format drive and re-install in the future i'll have to re-install leopard first...

Admittedly this isn't likely to happen that often but i'd still rather have a full, standalone retail copy and it would appear currently they're not selling one (?)
 
GoKyu said:
Oh no, I knew that - The OP was saying he wanted a stand alone copy, so assuming a $129 (whatever it would cost in the UK) version of Snow Leopard was available, it's only a little more to get the box set and save quite a bit of money...
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Oh, I see.

But I hope s/he understands there is no such version so s/he can either do a two-step upgrade or get the box set for $10 more.

2 quid for free :apple: software and a single OS install???

BTW - any brave Tiger soul can buy the $29 SL disc and let us know how s/he fares installing it w/o Leopard.
 
Bevz said:
I won't have to this (first) time round as i've already got leopard on my laptop, but if i have to format drive and re-install in the future i'll have to re-install leopard first...

Admittedly this isn't likely to happen that often but i'd still rather have a full, standalone retail copy and it would appear currently they're not selling one (?)
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Of course not. If you have Snow Leopard installed, you can just clean install/format directly...you won't need Leopard for subsequent installs (that is, unless your HDD is so fecked that neither Leopard nor Snow Leopard are detected)

What the upgrade disk means is basically that when booting the install DVD, it checks for your existing OS X installation, and ends if it's 10.4 or lower. They wouldn't be stupid enough to block full installs from upgrade DVDs.
 
CashGap said:
"Progressive Alternatives to Capitalism"
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Strange conclusion. If you really want to take an economic approach to this, the marginal cost of producing an extra DVD for Apple is close to zero. Even better, the marginal cost of installing one DVD on an extra computer IS zero. The marginal utility of installing SL on another computer is far higher. In neoclassical economics, the perfectly competitive equilibria is when price is set so that the demand curve equals the supply curve. The demand curve equals marginal utility, while the supply curve equals marginal costs.

I'm sure you by now realize that the optimal price in the neoclassical model equals zero, ie that we see greater efficiency and achieve higher utility if iStudentUK installs his uni-license Snow Leopard on as many computers he can.

But I don't understand what that has to do with alternatives to capitalism.
 
Here's the problem with your argument ...

You purchase the disc, but you license the software on it. You do not, under any circumstance, own the software - Apple does. You own the physical disc, and you can destroy it, scratch it, play it in a CD player, whatever you want to do - with the disc. You have a license to use the software on the disc, not ownership of it.
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I hate to break your little bubble world you live in but honestly I don't think people are spending 20 more for a box that says "family pack" on it and a "license for up to 5 computers". There's no serial key. You can install the "single user" disc on infinitely many computers. EULAs have never been tested in court and it's highly likely that you will not get in any sort of trouble for installing the single user disc on multiple machines unless by trouble you mean getting chewed out by high-horse riding mac users on this site.

I will buy the single user disc and install it on whatever the hell I want, thanks.
 
RevoDS said:
Of course not. If you have Snow Leopard installed, you can just clean install/format directly...you won't need Leopard for subsequent installs (that is, unless your HDD is so fecked that neither Leopard nor Snow Leopard are detected)

What the upgrade disk means is basically that when booting the install DVD, it checks for your existing OS X installation, and ends if it's 10.4 or lower. They wouldn't be stupid enough to block full installs from upgrade DVDs.
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That sounds logical... I won't have to worry about it unless i've got a completely new hard drive... I think i can live with that ;)
 
zorahk said:
but honestly I don't think people are spending 20 more for a box that says "family pack" on it and a "license for up to 5 computers".
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I just ordered a family pack too, knowing full well that there's no serial key.
Does that mean I am not one of the "people" you referred to?

I don't see any difference between getting the torrent for one mac and buying a single license DVD to install it on more than one Macs.
 
bingee said:
I want to upgrade from Tiger straight to Snow Leopard and don't mind paying the £80 or so that an upgrade from Tiger to Leopard would cost. But I refuse to pay the £129 upgrade pack as I have no need for any of the iWork/iLife applications. Apple's policy would seem to alienate a large number of it's loyal users.
Come on Apple there must be a third way!
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Apple is good for Tiger users – you simply ignore the fact that you skipped Leopard, including eight free updates, and thus now you must either go for the box, or first upgrade to Leopard and then to Snow Leopard – just like the rest of us here did ;)

Oh, and a real Apple loyalist would have used Leopard from day one.
 
iStudentUK said:
Many people feel no guilt about putting a 'single' disk on two machines. We can argue about licenses, ownership etc but at the end of the day if people feel their actions are morally sound, and know those who disagree will not punish them, then they will do it. Those who feel a license is unfair/unjustified will break it.

My food analogy was not great, I know, but I was just trying to improve another users first food analogy.
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Feelings of guilt or not, it is still piracy, and illegal.

zorahk said:
I will buy the single user disc and install it on whatever the hell I want, thanks.
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Admitting to your intended piracy on an IP-logged public forum isn't the smartest thing ... Why don't you just torrent it? That way, you wouldn't have to wait. :rolleyes:
 
Cybbe said:
Strange conclusion. If you really want to take an economic approach to this, the marginal cost of producing an extra DVD for Apple is close to zero. Even better, the marginal cost of installing one DVD on an extra computer IS zero. The marginal utility of installing SL on another computer is far higher. In neoclassical economics, the perfectly competitive equilibria is when price is set so that the demand curve equals the supply curve. The demand curve equals marginal utility, while the supply curve equals marginal costs.

I'm sure you by now realize that the optimal price in the neoclassical model equals zero, ie that we see greater efficiency and achieve higher utility if iStudentUK installs his uni-license Snow Leopard on as many computers he can.

But I don't understand what that has to do with alternatives to capitalism.
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This is by far no where near a perfectly competitive market.
 
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