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Apple Announces August 28th Availability of Snow Leopard

Cassie said:
You people...
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What do you mean you people?
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MacAndy74 said:
So you have a mid-2009 MBP? Same as mine. :cool: so I guess mine will run 32-bit too. Cool with me, less problems.
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Wasn't lots of the speed benefit due to 64 bit kernel? I don't get it, the Mid 2009 are the newest ones available... why use the 32 bit kernel on there?
And how will I choose between 32 and 64 bit?

I got a Mid-2009 13" MBP-
 
JFreak said:
But it's not the same at all! In 10.4 they made it possible to access 64 bit address space. In 10.5 they made it possible to run 64 bit code. In 10.6 they made it possible to run 64 bit kernel. Step by step, bit by bit, we'll get there as soon as 3rd parties get their apps together.
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So why did they hype the address space in 10.5 and now again in 10.6?

And how many apps could use the extra ram in 10.4?
 
yoyomaster said:
This is by far no where near a perfectly competitive market.
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True, and such a thing doesn't exist. Yet such a neoclassical logic is one of the core insights that lead people to support capitalism. My point is this: that you should be free to install software on as many computers as you want is 100% compatible with the most basic tenets in economics, and by extension, capitalism.

Once you include copyrights (legal monopolies) and EULAs into the equation, you bring in politics, ideology and law. In any case, to derive the only logical conclusion that flows from economic theory is hardly a 'progressive alternative to capitalism'.
 
zorahk said:
I hate to break your little bubble world you live in but honestly I don't think people are spending 20 more for a box that says "family pack" on it and a "license for up to 5 computers". There's no serial key. You can install the "single user" disc on infinitely many computers. EULAs have never been tested in court and it's highly likely that you will not get in any sort of trouble for installing the single user disc on multiple machines unless by trouble you mean getting chewed out by high-horse riding mac users on this site.

I will buy the single user disc and install it on whatever the hell I want, thanks.
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I wouldn't be too happy if my creative efforts were copied and distributed without remuneration, that's why I protect my work with contracts, and that's why Apple (and most all software developers) protect their work with EULA's. The rights are the same, whether you are a multi-billion dollar corporation or just some schmoe like me.

Whether a EULA has been tested in court is irrelevant; it is the agreement that I accept, and that's all that matters to me. As an honorable capitalist, I believe I should be rewarded for my creative efforts, and I extend the same courtesy to Apple and all other software developers.

I'm looking forward to receiving my Snow Leopard Family Pack on Friday, and installing it on the three computers here at my home.
 
r.j.s said:
Feelings of guilt or not, it is still piracy, and illegal.
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It's against civil law yes. However, it's not against everyone's morality.

Is it piracy if you buy the first copy? Is just contract violation? (that is not me trying to be clever, I really am curious!)
 
MrCrowbar said:
Wasn't lots of the speed benefit due to 64 bit kernel? I don't get it, the Mid 2009 are the newest ones available... why use the 32 bit kernel on there?
And how will I choose between 32 and 64 bit?

I got a Mid-2009 13" MBP-
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you can either hold 6 and 4 everyitme you boot or edit a boot.plist for permanent 64 bit (but you can edit it out if you want to opt out of it later)
 
Been waiting for the release of SL for ages and was hoping it'd release before the end of Back To School!!!

Now, the question is, how long would it take Apple to pre-install SL on MBP? Would I be able to order a SL MBP before 8th September so that I can still get an almost-free ipod?

Thanks
 
don't do it. anything with a 32 bit driver won't work. this includes pretty much every printer in existence. the 64 bit kernel (that my poor old 2006 mac pro can't utilize) won't be at all useful for 99.9% of users for a while, until software and hardware companies re-write their drivers in 64 bit. and if you have older (3 years old) printers like me, you probably will never get 64 bit drivers for them.
 
That should be quick. They probably started installing SL on new computers last week. I would also assume they include a SL disk to computers they ship without SL pre-installed.
 
yz4103 said:
Been waiting for the release of SL for ages and was hoping it'd release before the end of Back To School!!!

Now, the question is, how long would it take Apple to pre-install SL on MBP? Would I be able to order a SL MBP before 8th September so that I can still get an almost-free ipod?

Thanks
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i don't know if it will happen if you order today, but if you order on release date, apple will drop a snow leopard upgrade DVD into the box.
 
iStudentUK said:
It's against civil law yes. However, it's not against everyone's morality.
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True, morality is subjective. Are you not supposed to prosecute those that steal food to feed their starving family? Morally, it may be wrong for an outsider, but not wrong for the person doing it. No matter how you look at it morally, it is still illegal.

Is it piracy if you buy the first copy? Is just contract violation? (that is not me trying to be clever, I really am curious!)
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Software piracy is the unauthorized copying or distribution of copyrighted software. This can be done by copying, downloading, sharing, selling, or installing multiple copies onto personal or work computers. What a lot of people don’t realize or don’t think about is that when you purchase software, you are actually purchasing a license to use it, not the actual software. That license is what tells you how many times you can install the software, so it’s important to read it. If you make more copies of the software than the license permits, you are pirating.

Simply put, making or downloading unauthorized copies of software is breaking the law, no matter how many copies or people are involved.

Whether you are casually making a few copies for friends, loaning disks, distributing or downloading pirated software from the Internet, or buying a single software program and then installing it on multiple computers (including personal), you are committing copyright infringement—also known as software piracy.

It doesn’t matter if you are doing it to make money or not — if you or your company is caught copying software, you may be held liable under both civil and criminal law. Civil penalties can be as high as $150,000 per software program infringed. In addition, introducing pirated software into your computing environment can open you up to the risk of damage to your network through defective software or malicious code.
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http://www.bsa.org/country/Anti-Piracy/What-is-Software-Piracy.aspx
 
r.j.s said:
True, morality is subjective. Are you not supposed to prosecute those that steal food to feed their starving family? Morally, it may be wrong for an outsider, but not wrong for the person doing it. No matter how you look at it morally, it is still illegal.
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Yes, illegal no argument there. May not be immoral for some, but your starving family example is pretty clear cut!!!

Thanks for that info, interesting!
 
JohnDoe98 said:
Just a tip to all you eager Snow Leopard users. If you have an external drive plugged into a Time Capsule or an Airport Extreme Base Station that you happen to use Time Machine on (may apply to all externals plugged into those devices), don't expect Snow Leopard to be able to mount them properly. I'm running the 432 build and it often gives me trouble accessing the drive through the network, and if I try and plug the drive directly into my USB port I get an:

Alias Could Not Be Found.

error which seems to be pretty common for Snow Leopard testers and which cannot be fixed. Meaning directly plugging in the drive cannot be accessed at all and through the network it is highly unreliable. The drive reports no errors in Disk Utility and mounts perfectly fine without any bugs in 10.5.8. In other words, this build (10A432) is seriously flawed. I can only expect other glaring omissions to exist. I know some developers reported this error to Apple.

In other words, I seriously hope they are releasing a later version, perhaps 435 or 436 to the public. Otherwise as other have stated, it might be wise to wait till 10.6.x before purchasing. Imagine that, you update and your backup drive becomes highly unstable...
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Resetting PARM worked for me; and the drives came online, that was the first time in 4 years of being with Apple on various machines that I ever found occasion to do that reset...
 
yz4103 said:
Been waiting for the release of SL for ages and was hoping it'd release before the end of Back To School!!!

Now, the question is, how long would it take Apple to pre-install SL on MBP? Would I be able to order a SL MBP before 8th September so that I can still get an almost-free ipod?

Thanks
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why you dont buy your mac today and then send them the serial number. They will send you an SL disc for a few bucks. (i personally am willing to pay those extra few bucks to get it a week earlier and with the big student discount)
 
vansouza said:
I hate having to agree with you... hate it. Now I know how those prior to Intel chips feel; I hate that feeling.
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If you can prove that Apple advertised something that it won't deliver, why don't you sue for false advertising?

If you don't like what Apple honestly advertised and delivered, why don't you exercise the freedom to not consume it?

**by "you" I mean anyone who thinks 64 bit in SL is a hoax.**
 
arkmannj said:
<sigh/> can't it just ask me for the leopard disk ?
If it checks for a previous version I hope they wrote it something like this:

1) Check for Leopard install
2) If Leopard already installed goto step 5, else goto step 3
3) Ask for Leopard Disk
4) If Leopard disk inserted goto step 5 else goto step 3
5) Begin Snow Leopard installation Process.
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This is precisely what Windows does now and has done with consecutive upgrades. I'm not sure if it's patented or not (M$ would probably spend the money to do so). If not it would be really nice for Apple to include this.
 
My order has been prepared for shipment but it says "ships by Aug 28". I want it delivered on Aug 28 ! Otherwise what's the point in pre-ordering?
 
letterexchange said:
So, how many more of you "developers" are dying to know if 432 is the GM or not to make sure your torrented copy is the final one?
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Some of us are just "developers" to take advantage of the 20% hardware discount in the ADC programme (which also includes 20% discount on Apple peripherals like monitors, applecare etc with the hardware purchase). When you're looking at high end Mac Pros, 20% is a significant amount of mullah even after paying for the ADC membership.

Getting access to the pre-release software is just a nice bonus.
 
okay two of my friends are getting Macbook's this week! Will Mac's come preloaded with Snow Leopard by Friday?
 
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