Apple Announces iPod Touch Software Update
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Thanks. I'm also wondering : Can you reorganize the Home page, switch between chapters and audio tracks and view lyrics with 1.1.3 minus $20? If so, chances are the $20 covers exclusively Maps, Mail, Notes, Stocks and Weather. While I am pissed at the price, I must say the Mail and Maps apps are slick. You are even able to view directions without a Wi-Fi connection.
Stella
macrumors G3
Those apps had already been written for the iPhone. It takes nothing to port them to the Touch.
Fast Shadow
macrumors 6502a
You're absolutely right. Apple should risk further antagonizing the SEC, who they are already in trouble with over the backdated options affair, by openly defying a law whose existence was entirely born out of a huge corporate accounting scandal.
Good idea.
pocketrockets
macrumors member
The answer is no...I can't customize the home screen or have access to lyrics or chapters or do webapps without the $20 upgrade, which is the crux of the issue! If I could, I wouldn't buy it. I could care less about stocks and weather...
Well that's interesting! I wonder how not being able to customize the home menu will work out when SKD-made apps come. Real shame about chapters and audio. I'm planning on re-ripping some DVDs with Handbreak now so I can get the English, French and Commentary tracks in one file. Although, on a good note, the audio track menu has been added in iTunes.
pocketrockets
macrumors member
Ok, look at it this way. You bought your iPhone fully knowing that it does not have GPS. So today, Steve announces that all new iPhones will have the new Maps, that uses triangulation with cell towers and wifi access points to pinpoint your location (versus GPS). All existing iPhone users need to pony up $49 bucks for it.. Note that no hardware changes, no new OS, nothing.. Just a new app on the same hardware on the same OS.
Not only that.. On your next firmware update, you actually have the app downloaded and taking up space on your iPhone.. You can't use the app (unless you pay the extortion), and you can't delete the space it's taking..
Let's take it further.. You don't care for the Maps (afterall, you knew that the iPhone didn't have GPS), but you love the custom homepages.. or maybe lyrics.. Ooops, sorry.. Yes, those pieces are installed on your iPhone via the firmware as well, but alas, you need to pay $49 to turn it on.
As someone mentioned earlier.. I would hate to see this becoming a precedence (charges for all firmware updates) versus a brain fart from Apple...
I don't know if this was brought up by anyone before but could this just be another repeat of the iPhone price drop debacle. People will end up complaining enough to Apple (and I recommend you do) and they will either lower the price or offer the apps for free.
To go to the same extreme others did back then, this might just be a whole "no bad press" fan-produced advertising campaign to get people to look at the new features.
To go to the same extreme others did back then, this might just be a whole "no bad press" fan-produced advertising campaign to get people to look at the new features.
GrapeApe
macrumors newbie
Stop the Insanity !!
For everyone who keeps parroting "It's SOX they have no choice" stop it, because you're wrong.
There is a choice and they aren't required to charge you under Sarbanes-Oxley, they CHOSE to, because they WANT to give the update's apps value for future use and for marketing ("buy the updated touch now with $20 worth of free software/applications"
).
As shown in both the PSP updates and the Zune 2.1 updates added to first Gen Zunes; they are NOT required to charge for it anymore than Apple or M$ would be required to charge for you to download a patch or service pack or a bazillion other free apps for you computer.
Also, to the tool who is trying to make this political, it was under a republican controlled presidency/house/senate that SOX got passed in 2002, so don't blame the Dems for keeping it anymore than Reps for creating it, instead blame accountants and Enron, WorldCom et al.
APPLE could've made this free, IMO their choice not to shows their further shift towards Microsoft style price maker actions of the later 90s and away from any touchy-feely BS Apple's ads wish to portray, which I always laughed at as a PC & Linux user.
Speaking of which they seem to understand the benefit of positive reinforcing commercials which primarily appeal to the already converted; but they seem to overlook the benefit of positive reinforcement in post-purchase support and the influence of those on other people's purchases. How many people's word-of-mouth influence has become more negative since this and how does that compare to the maybe 10 million dollars they get out of the update revenue?
As mentioned before it's not that $20 is even a noticeable amount of money so much as the principle of the whole thing, to a great extent even the pure hassle of a money transaction makes Apple look base and crass for asking for something that should've been on the iPod Touch from the start, as they now realize themselves offering it to all new and future iPTs.
For everyone who keeps parroting "It's SOX they have no choice" stop it, because you're wrong.
There is a choice and they aren't required to charge you under Sarbanes-Oxley, they CHOSE to, because they WANT to give the update's apps value for future use and for marketing ("buy the updated touch now with $20 worth of free software/applications"
). As shown in both the PSP updates and the Zune 2.1 updates added to first Gen Zunes; they are NOT required to charge for it anymore than Apple or M$ would be required to charge for you to download a patch or service pack or a bazillion other free apps for you computer.
Also, to the tool who is trying to make this political, it was under a republican controlled presidency/house/senate that SOX got passed in 2002, so don't blame the Dems for keeping it anymore than Reps for creating it, instead blame accountants and Enron, WorldCom et al.
APPLE could've made this free, IMO their choice not to shows their further shift towards Microsoft style price maker actions of the later 90s and away from any touchy-feely BS Apple's ads wish to portray, which I always laughed at as a PC & Linux user.
Speaking of which they seem to understand the benefit of positive reinforcing commercials which primarily appeal to the already converted; but they seem to overlook the benefit of positive reinforcement in post-purchase support and the influence of those on other people's purchases. How many people's word-of-mouth influence has become more negative since this and how does that compare to the maybe 10 million dollars they get out of the update revenue?
As mentioned before it's not that $20 is even a noticeable amount of money so much as the principle of the whole thing, to a great extent even the pure hassle of a money transaction makes Apple look base and crass for asking for something that should've been on the iPod Touch from the start, as they now realize themselves offering it to all new and future iPTs.
Thank you!
I was very frustrated because I bought the upgrade (actually paid for it twice because I thought it didn't go through the first time) and it didn't work. I restored to factory settings also. I tried everything except the automatic update because my library is too big. After reading your post, I unchecked manual, set it to only sync checked songs and videos, and re-synced and it worked. I didn't have to drag a .ita file over. Thanks for the tip, I had a very frustrating night.
I was very frustrated because I bought the upgrade (actually paid for it twice because I thought it didn't go through the first time) and it didn't work. I restored to factory settings also. I tried everything except the automatic update because my library is too big. After reading your post, I unchecked manual, set it to only sync checked songs and videos, and re-synced and it worked. I didn't have to drag a .ita file over. Thanks for the tip, I had a very frustrating night.
appleii2mac
macrumors regular
No, Apple has stated that they are booking the income from iPhone sales over a 2 year period so that they can provide free updates.
2 years nothing I think att feels the same way we do. They'll make money on iphones as long as their with att.
nickarmadillo
macrumors regular
Any word on WPA/WPA2 enterprise support with the 1.1.3 update? If not, I'll just keep my itouch jailbroken.
This does it for me. Unless Apple pull themselves together, I am moving on to other manufacturers.
First they spin the 802.11n-update as a SOX-upgrade. All fine and well in the US, but since I live in the EU, and I am buying the product from Apple Denmark, not Apple US, to pay for that update is questiionable in itself. Especially when they argue it's because of the S-Oxley laws.
I have recently come out of almost a year and a half of constantly sending my PB/MBP back and forth to Apple, having the motherboards exchanged, then moved on to another MBP, new motherboards and so forth. Three different portables and a total of 8 (eight) motherboard exchanges (and a huge amount of reinstallations) later, I finally have one that works. However, this one had a faulty battery, so that has been exchanged, resulting in my portable computer being a 15" desktop for a fortnight (Apple couldn't give me a retail battery, and the "spare part battery" was on back order).
Simultaneously, I went through a whole slew of iPods, had one after another exchanged, until I finally gave up, tossed it in the bin, and woved to never buy a HDD-iPod again.
A while back, and for a little while, they dropped FW-800 on the MBP. And before that Apple dropped FW on the iPods. And now with the new slim MacBook iPod Companion they have essentially proved the company will not support FW much longer. And since their USB support really aren't up to scratch:
http://sonosax.ch/MINIR82/recorder_notices_en.html
I am beginning to see the end to my "companionship" with Apple.
They have now, with their paid iTouch-upgrade (only available through iTunes!) taken their arrogance one step further, and seems to be paving the way for paid upgrades for anything that adds "value". That seems too much of a subscription-service to me. What will be next? Paid bug-fixes? Paid "features" such as a slightly improved Pages or any other app-udate? Paid security-updates?
Now, with the style of "The New Apple Inc." where they promise features on hardware (Time Machine on AE), don't deliver and propably force people to buy yet another piece of hardware to get a feature that they should have delivered in the first product, I am really not liking them much anymore.
I wanted the iTouch but held out to see what MWSF would bring, so I don't have to pay for the upgrade. But with how all of this has played out, I will follow Apple closely in the near future. If they do not shape up, both ethically, CS-wise and otherwise, This MBP will for certain be my last Apple-product ever.
First they spin the 802.11n-update as a SOX-upgrade. All fine and well in the US, but since I live in the EU, and I am buying the product from Apple Denmark, not Apple US, to pay for that update is questiionable in itself. Especially when they argue it's because of the S-Oxley laws.
I have recently come out of almost a year and a half of constantly sending my PB/MBP back and forth to Apple, having the motherboards exchanged, then moved on to another MBP, new motherboards and so forth. Three different portables and a total of 8 (eight) motherboard exchanges (and a huge amount of reinstallations) later, I finally have one that works. However, this one had a faulty battery, so that has been exchanged, resulting in my portable computer being a 15" desktop for a fortnight (Apple couldn't give me a retail battery, and the "spare part battery" was on back order).
Simultaneously, I went through a whole slew of iPods, had one after another exchanged, until I finally gave up, tossed it in the bin, and woved to never buy a HDD-iPod again.
A while back, and for a little while, they dropped FW-800 on the MBP. And before that Apple dropped FW on the iPods. And now with the new slim MacBook iPod Companion they have essentially proved the company will not support FW much longer. And since their USB support really aren't up to scratch:
http://sonosax.ch/MINIR82/recorder_notices_en.html
I am beginning to see the end to my "companionship" with Apple.
They have now, with their paid iTouch-upgrade (only available through iTunes!) taken their arrogance one step further, and seems to be paving the way for paid upgrades for anything that adds "value". That seems too much of a subscription-service to me. What will be next? Paid bug-fixes? Paid "features" such as a slightly improved Pages or any other app-udate? Paid security-updates?
Now, with the style of "The New Apple Inc." where they promise features on hardware (Time Machine on AE), don't deliver and propably force people to buy yet another piece of hardware to get a feature that they should have delivered in the first product, I am really not liking them much anymore.
I wanted the iTouch but held out to see what MWSF would bring, so I don't have to pay for the upgrade. But with how all of this has played out, I will follow Apple closely in the near future. If they do not shape up, both ethically, CS-wise and otherwise, This MBP will for certain be my last Apple-product ever.
Vikas, I think most people on this thread disagree with you. Hell, you disagree with yourself, you admit here that it would be "better" if this was free. And as for your reductio ad Final Cut Pro, that's just silly.
Apple can charge what it likes for everything, but users have a right to discuss products, prices and charges. That's why we have forums. In this case, I think the charge is wrong: inappropriate, unnecessary, and likely to alienate people who've just dropped a very large sum on a Touch. So do many other people, and if you think that's whining (or that threads should be locked when people express their opinion) then you have a tenuous grasp of open debate. Apple doesn't need another $20 from the early adopters of this product for R&D or any reason. I might be happy to pay my $20 to charity if Apple wanted to do something munificent, but all I can see is a $15bn cash mountain that's getting larger by the month. And a product with a new piece of basic software which is being offered free to new users, and at a premium to people who bought two or three weeks ago. No hard feelings, but I think this leaves a sour taste in the mouth.
cavemonkey50
macrumors 6502
Exactly! I asked the same thing a few pages ago, but no one answered.
My guess is non-software updated touches will not have access to the SDK.
gnasher729
Suspended
I'm curious why this hasn't been mentioned yet: When you jailbreak the iPod Touch, it is possible for you to install applications. You still have to get these applications legally. If someone gives you an application for free (one that they have the legal right to give you), fine.
If someone sells an application, you have two choices: Pay or leave it. Anything else is copyright infringement; if you get caught and sued it is a minimum of $750 and a maximum of $150,000 statutory damages per item, multiply this by five for five apps.
So Apple offers a package of applications for $20. If you don't like to pay $20, just leave it. You lived without them until now, you can still live without them in the future.
gnasher729
Suspended
Go to one of the financial websites and check Apple's last report. You will find that revenues for iPhone and AppleTV are only recognised over a 24 month period. The iPod Touch revenue is recognised immediately. So legally, Apple is holding the money you paid for the iPhone or Apple TV somewhere for you and takes 1/24th out every month. That 1/24th can pay for "free" upgrades. They are not free, when you bought iPhone or Apple TV you paid for one item plus 24 months worth of product improvements.
Tyrannosaurs
macrumors member
I wouldn't get too worked up about what is basically a set of new toys...
I can't say I feel great about this but it does provide functionality that wasn't present when I bought it so I don't see it as that big a deal. In all honesty it's not even close to the shafting dished out to AEBS owners by Time Capsule...
Fact is I was really happy with my iPod touch yesterday morning, it doesn't do any less than it did than it did then, and it's not as if the new functionality is really important, so I don't see why I shouldn't be happy with it today. Fact is it's still a cracking bit of kit, even without the new apps.
As it is I coughed up the cash and downloaded the apps and they're fine but nothing spectacular, certainly not anything 90% of people should get worked up about not having.
I think people would be better to view this upgrade as $20 / £12.99 for a bunch of toys. Nice to have but nothing critical and if you don't upgrade your life isn't going to be any the poorer.
I can't say I feel great about this but it does provide functionality that wasn't present when I bought it so I don't see it as that big a deal. In all honesty it's not even close to the shafting dished out to AEBS owners by Time Capsule...
Fact is I was really happy with my iPod touch yesterday morning, it doesn't do any less than it did than it did then, and it's not as if the new functionality is really important, so I don't see why I shouldn't be happy with it today. Fact is it's still a cracking bit of kit, even without the new apps.
As it is I coughed up the cash and downloaded the apps and they're fine but nothing spectacular, certainly not anything 90% of people should get worked up about not having.
I think people would be better to view this upgrade as $20 / £12.99 for a bunch of toys. Nice to have but nothing critical and if you don't upgrade your life isn't going to be any the poorer.
ImNoSuperMan
macrumors 65816
Exactly what I and a lot of other feel bout what people are asking for. Its just silly crying over a small upgrade.
Discussion???? Are you sure this is what you meant........
SubliminalMac said:
why are the AppleTV and iPhone updates free? It's only $20 but the fact that they screw only a few customers suck. Apple is becoming to greedy. I feel for you touch owners. Screw their model.
I would have add more images but my limit is 20.
SubliminalMac said:
SubliminalMac said:
I m sorry. English is not my native language. AFAIK this is simply whining. But you seem to know better........
Arn(and other mods), why did you delete these posts from Mr SubliminalMac and few others. It seems like you too have a tenuous grasp of open debate.
djchristie
macrumors member
Hi folks,
not going to get into whether Apple were right or wrong to charge, and the reasons behind it. I admit I don't like it, but I wanted Mail so payed the money and am happy, seems like good value with the other apps to be honest.
However, just a thought. Have Apple ever charged for any iPod software before? By this, I mean pure Apple software, I know games etc cost but they aren't Apple themselves are they? I've had iPods from generation 1 and can't remember ever having to pay for anything before.
not going to get into whether Apple were right or wrong to charge, and the reasons behind it. I admit I don't like it, but I wanted Mail so payed the money and am happy, seems like good value with the other apps to be honest.
However, just a thought. Have Apple ever charged for any iPod software before? By this, I mean pure Apple software, I know games etc cost but they aren't Apple themselves are they? I've had iPods from generation 1 and can't remember ever having to pay for anything before.
Some of the games (like Vortex or Texas Hold'em) are by Apple so in that sense, they did charge for iPod software before before. But an important detail is that the $20 update covers not only the 5 apps but lyrics, Home menu customization, audio track and chapter selection, all offered for free to iPhone users.