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It was twice the price already of similar small form factor desktops like the Atom based Eee Box and had a comparable price tag coupled with less connectivity when compared to the direct competition, such as Dell's Hybrid Desktop.

I'm glad the Mini now has some reasonable specs for what could be a great all round home computer, but the price tag attached to it is ridiculous.

Dell's profits have been slumping over the last year while Apple continues to break its own revenue and profit records. Apple's margins hover between 30% and 40%, which is one of the ways it stays in business. Comparing specs between machines from different manufacturers, however tempting, does not give you the full story, and is certainly not what the majority of Apple's customers will be doing, as others have already pointed out here.

This comparison makes for interesting reading too:
http://apple20.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2009/03/03/oppenheimer-new-imac-a-better-deal-than-dell-hp/
(For example, I just worked out that buying a new Mac mini with 4GB RAM and 320GB disk costs £729 from Apple, but if you just buy the cheapest model you can upgrade it by buying your own disk and memory to get the same machine for only around £600. Apple's pocketing at least 20% pure profit just on memory and disk upgrades!)

You can be pretty sure that if Apple wasn't selling enough computers at the prices they set for them, they'll either drop the prices or drop the computers (remember the G4 Cube, the multi-coloured iBook, etc.).
 
also what is the deal between LCD vs LED? I see a lot of people complaining that the iMac 20" still has LED. Is the 20" screen that bad?
 
Actually, 'Brit' is the correct diminuitive of somebody who is British. 'Pakistani' would be the correct diminutive of somebody who is from Pakistan. Don't be such a hyper-sensitive politically correct wuss. (I am a Brit).
Actually, Briton is the correct term for somebody who is British. Brit is an informal shortened version of that. I agree it's not generally considered derogatory, although it's often used in a derogatory context, as is the word yank.
 
excuse me for my ignorance, but for me the price for the mac mini stayed the same but doubled the ram and the HD. so whats the issue? Is it mostly over-seas buyeres?

Because...
Baseline Mac Mini @ $729 CDN
2.0GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
1GB memory
120GB hard drive
8x double-layer SuperDrive
NVIDIA GeForce 9400M graphics
NO KEYBOARD, MONITOR, OR MOUSE


~V.S.~

Inspiron 530s @ $699 CDN
2.66 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
4GB memory
640GB hard drive
16x SuperDrive
Intel GMA x3100
19" DELL S1909WX Widescreen Display
Keyboard and Mouse included


The Mac Mini is still both a joke, and a rip off. Sorry Apple but you OS just doesn't make up for your rediculous pricing structure anymore. And in this recession?
 
also what is the deal between LCD vs LED? I see a lot of people complaining that the iMac 20" still has LED. Is the 20" screen that bad?

This refers to the backlighting used for the LCDs. The older tech uses florescents, which contain mercury. LED backlighting is nicer and doesn't use mercury. The iMacs still use florescents, not the newer LED tech.
 
Hi all,
I've been waiting for an iMac for ages and like everyone else is disappointed in the pricing for the Uk.
I have a new Unibody entry level Macbook Pro. What are people's views on using this as a desktop by getting an LED Cinema display and wireless keyboard.
Looks like I might get better performance for a cheaper price?

I just don't know which is the best route to go down. Even the LED display is £600!
 
As in most of the world outside the U.S., the price changes reflect the differences in currency exchange rates since the prices were last set.

No it doesn't.

And what part of Made for UK Macs are made in the US?

The BBC, Guardian and Stuff are all running stories about Apple's decision to raise their prices in a recession, the BBC interviewing Apple twice to confirm facts as they couldn't believe it. Apple today have had more bad publicity regarding this than they have ever had exposure from their Mac advertising in the last 5 years. They have had to release a press statement.

Get good service and you tell 5 people; receive bad service and you tell 20. Apple is rapidly undoing all the good work in Europe over the last 5-10yrs.

I suspect, like Apple TV 1.0, we'll hear an apology and a statement to the effect admitting they got it wrong, but the proof will be in sales.
 
Hi all,
I've been waiting for an iMac for ages and like everyone else is disappointed in the pricing for the Uk.
I have a new Unibody entry level Macbook Pro. What are people's views on using this as a desktop by getting an LED Cinema display and wireless keyboard.
Looks like I might get better performance for a cheaper price?

I just don't know which is the best route to go down. Even the LED display is £600!

Just get a normal Dell monitor and hook it up to your MBP.
 
What are people's views on using this as a desktop by getting an LED Cinema display and wireless keyboard.
Looks like I might get better performance for a cheaper price?

I just don't know which is the best route to go down. Even the LED display is £600!

Give apple the best possible feedback and get a screen that isn't made by them for a fraction of that price?
 
Hi all,
I've been waiting for an iMac for ages and like everyone else is disappointed in the pricing for the Uk.
I have a new Unibody entry level Macbook Pro. What are people's views on using this as a desktop by getting an LED Cinema display and wireless keyboard.
Looks like I might get better performance for a cheaper price?

I just don't know which is the best route to go down. Even the LED display is £600!
Yeahp. s'what i do :)
i use my aseline mbp as a desktop with my 23" sammy screen, perfec :D
 
How long til graphic benchmarks resolve GPU issue?

It seemed for a bit that the consensus here was that the old GPU was actually better than the new. Then some folks put up some benchmarks that suggested otherwise, or at least a "push". Others have said "don't guess; wait for the graphic benchmarks to be run", which seems reasonable. So question: How long til these are run?

Thanks!
 
Newbie

I have a question for all the experts out there since everyone here clearly knows way more about this than me.

I'm a lifelong PC user (work in business, use nothing but excel, nothing fancy). My wife is a teacher and is 100% convinced that she wants a Mac and we need a new computer. I was holding out for the updates, and now I'm pretty disappointed. We don't need anything fancy, no games, basic photoshop, nothing intensive. I'm getting a new Mac no matter what, but don't have a super deep wallet.

1. New 20" iMac
2. Unibody Macbook
3. White Macbook

I'm leaning towards the old style Macbook since I don't really don't think I'm going to do anything that's going to push it to its limits. Is the extra $300 worth it to upgrade to the new body? I know it's DDR3, but don't know if that matters for what I need it for.
 
Thanks for the advice guys. I had no idea that other displays were compatible with the mini display port on my Macbook Pro. What displays do you recommend?
 
I can understand some of the complaints in this thread with the new price differences.

However, what I don't understand is that we've all been following the rumors for the past 3 months, as far as what nVidia chip may be used, and I don't recall hearing any complaints (in reference to the iMac). Then today Apple releases the iMac with that chip and people act like Apple pissed in their cheerios.

As for me personally...I'll probably buy an iMac a few months down the road. Just debating if I should hold off until Snow Leopard is released/announced.

Why should you complain on speculations ? Are we stupid?
 
I have a question for all the experts out there since everyone here clearly knows way more about this than me.

I'm a lifelong PC user (work in business, use nothing but excel, nothing fancy). My wife is a teacher and is 100% convinced that she wants a Mac and we need a new computer. I was holding out for the updates, and now I'm pretty disappointed. We don't need anything fancy, no games, basic photoshop, nothing intensive. I'm getting a new Mac no matter what, but don't have a super deep wallet.

1. New 20" iMac
2. Unibody Macbook
3. White Macbook

I'm leaning towards the old style Macbook since I don't really don't think I'm going to do anything that's going to push it to its limits. Is the extra $300 worth it to upgrade to the new body? I know it's DDR3, but don't know if that matters for what I need it for.

I would get the Whitebook plus buy a Dell monitor. Money well spent in my opinion.
 
I have a question for all the experts out there since everyone here clearly knows way more about this than me.

I'm a lifelong PC user (work in business, use nothing but excel, nothing fancy). My wife is a teacher and is 100% convinced that she wants a Mac and we need a new computer. I was holding out for the updates, and now I'm pretty disappointed. We don't need anything fancy, no games, basic photoshop, nothing intensive. I'm getting a new Mac no matter what, but don't have a super deep wallet.

1. New 20" iMac
2. Unibody Macbook
3. White Macbook

I'm leaning towards the old style Macbook since I don't really don't think I'm going to do anything that's going to push it to its limits. Is the extra $300 worth it to upgrade to the new body? I know it's DDR3, but don't know if that matters for what I need it for.

I'd start a new thread in the buying advice section.

Firstly, welcome to the forums!

To answer your question, it's really about portability: decide desktop vs. laptop first. Remember, with a laptop you can take it with you if you want but you don't have that option with the desktop.

THe 20" iMac is a bargain at that price.

Between the White and unibody MB...the new ones are way cooler, but there's nothing wrong with the old one. If you really want to save some money you can even go with a refurb.
 
Dell's profits have been slumping over the last year while Apple continues to break its own revenue and profit records. Apple's margins hover between 30% and 40%, which is one of the ways it stays in business. Comparing specs between machines from different manufacturers, however tempting, does not give you the full story, and is certainly not what the majority of Apple's customers will be doing, as others have already pointed out here.

Nor, really does comparing Dell and Apple's profit margins. Dell don't just sell to consumers, they sell multiple OS platforms on a large scale to enterprise, which is a far more cutthroat business for OEMs than the home consumer market. If someone buys a second computer in a household there is no obligation to buy from any given OEM. Not so in enterprise - large firms who buy bits from Dell, bits from HP, and bits from Lenovo are few and far between because OEM's will tender for a contract for a period of years, often undercutting each other to tender successfully. If Apple's business model revolved around this their profit margins would be nowhere near as big as they are.

Apple's enterprise market share is virtually non existent because their Xserve hardware solution is tied to OS X and there are very few enterprise apps of note for OS X. They purposefully avoid trying to make in roads into the enterprise market to avoid the reasons above. For every Xserve solution there are countless Linux / Solaris / HP-UX / other Unix solutions available, no doubt with better upgradability and more importantly, enterprise support.

Apple makes its money from overpriced computer hardware to the home, education and media niche markets, and consumer products like the iPod / iPhone and iTunes Store; markets which the latter 3 Dell have no business in.

You can be pretty sure that if Apple wasn't selling enough computers at the prices they set for them, they'll either drop the prices or drop the computers (remember the G4 Cube, the multi-coloured iBook, etc.).

Another badly thought out point - all those products had comparable units available at the time to replace them:

Power Mac G4 Cube -> Base model Power Mac G4; cheaper and more upgradable

Multi coloured iBook -> white iBook G3 superceded the coloured iBooks. Again, better technology.

The Mac Mini has had no such comparable model. The options were either an iMac or a Macbook. The G4 Cube is a bad example as it was designed as a Power Mac line; the Mini is firmly stated as a consumer line.

Wikipedia said:
Apple targeted the Cube at the market between the iMac G3 and the Power Macintosh G4. Despite its innovative design, critics complained that it was too expensive. It was initially priced US$2000 higher than the comparably-equipped and more-expandable base Power Mac G4 of the time (450 MHz CPU, 64 MB RAM, 20 GB hard drive) and did not include a monitor, thus leading to slow sales

I would love to see some Mini sales figures over the last 2 or 3 years. As the hardware became more and more outdated and the price points remained more or less the same, the number of sales would have gone down. Why continue manufacturing them? Because the cost of the internals was also going down and therefore by maintaining the price points on the hardware the units that did sell would have a huge profit margin on them.
 
Yeahp. s'what i do :)
i use my aseline mbp as a desktop with my 23" sammy screen, perfec :D

I have the same setup, works great. Plus you get 2 screens to work with. I would recommend people purchase a white Macbook instead of the mini. Then you get the best of both worlds if u pick up a nice monitor.
 
It seemed for a bit that the consensus here was that the old GPU was actually better than the new. Then some folks put up some benchmarks that suggested otherwise, or at least a "push". Others have said "don't guess; wait for the graphic benchmarks to be run", which seems reasonable. So question: How long til these are run?

Thanks!

It all depends when people get a hold of them. I'm sure Macworld will post their benchmarks within a few days, but personally I like BareFeats benchmarks a lot better, as they do lots of different test cases with comparisons to previous-gen Macs.
 
I'm personally very pleased with all the updates. It's ideal, really. I need to be smarter about how I spend my money, and all these products with no appeal sure helps me toe the line.

Thanks, Apple! :D
 
The BBC, Guardian and Stuff are all running stories about Apple's decision to raise their prices in a recession, the BBC interviewing Apple twice to confirm facts as they couldn't believe it. Apple today have had more bad publicity regarding this than they have ever had exposure from their Mac advertising in the last 5 years. They have had to release a press statement.

Oooh, link please? I could do with a chuckle.
 
lol @ apple

I've been patiently waiting to update from my original white macbook that i got 2 1/2 years ago and i'm kinda glad this update came around even though the newer models are kind of a step backwards.. so i just went to the refurb section and bought the 20inch imac 2.66 with ati 2600 pro w/ 320gb and 2mb of ram which is already getting updated to 4gb.. for 999$ before taxes.. now thats a nice price apple.
:apple:

ps the new 24" imac with integrated graphics is plain dumb.. you won't be able to play anygame at full screen with decent fps
 
Sad, very sad...

As someone who has most of their life savings invested in Apple stock, these updates really are rather worrying.

A previous poster's argument that Apple have always sold over-priced and under-powered equipment, and yet still managed to prosper is only partially true. For a substantial period during the Second Coming of Steve Jobs, Apple's sales growth and profitability have been pretty pedestrian, and my concern is that Apple's management may have rather misread the multitude of factors which underlie their company's undoubted sales success over the last couple of years. It could well be that the Mac market share upswing was as much about Microsoft's tribulations vis-à-vis Vista as Apple's brilliantly zeitgeistian products.

Steve Jobs' oft-used BMW/Mercedes analogy is also looking more and more like another reality distortion field anomaly when one begins to examine the figures more closely.

Take the Mac Mini for example...

People can say what they like about the Mac Mini being able to sell itself on looks and form-factor alone, but its pretty obvious that the original raison d'être of this model was to provide a relatively cheap entry into the world of Mac OS X and thus assist Apple in their avowed aim of snaring potential switchers who had fallen under the spell of the iPod. When it first launched, the Mini was indeed pretty good value, but not now:

Basic Mac MIni in the UK: £499
Basic Dell Inspiron 530 DT with Mac Mini(ish) spec in the UK: £389

The Mac Mini is 28 percent more expensive.

Basic 3 door Peugeot 308 1.6VTi in the UK: £14,895
Basic 3 door BMW 116i in the UK: £16,410

The BMW is 10 percent more expensive, but its also faster, more fuel efficient and cheaper to tax.

There's no doubt that the UK Mac Mini prices are broadly in line with their US equivalents when sales tax is taken into account, but Apple don't trade in a vacuum, and if their competitors are keeping a lid on retail prices then Apple needs to follow suit if it wants to maintain/increase it's market share on this side of the Atlantic.

The cynically poor value of Apple's new babies could be forgiven if Cupertino were at least demonstrating some kind of ambition to innovate on the hardware side, but they're not even offering their loyal acolytes that small crumb of comfort.

:-( :-(
 
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