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Apple Announces New iMacs, Mac Minis, AirPort Extreme and Time Capsule

The only thing I don't understand is why is everyone so upset? What has Apple actually done to you. Many of you act like Apple is doing something to you because they didn't give you want you wanted for the price you wanted. So what, it's not a big deal. I have no interest in buying PC because I don't care for the cheap crap that Dell, HP, Lenovo offer and Windows sucks. But if I was interested in a PC I would look at the Sony Vaio. The problem is the Sony Vaio is overpriced for something that runs only Windows. Why does Sony inflate their prices so much? Well, would I be pissed off since Sony refuses to make anything with decent specs for the price they charge? NO? Sony isn't do anything to me personally, it's their loss for a sale so why should I get upset?
You guys are bit backwards on the logic. Why get mad, that's stupid, vote with your wallet. What's the point of expressing anger here? Also some of you guys need to move on about trying to persuade people here to cross over to Windows 7, that's plain retarded.
Snow Leopard will kick the crap out of Windows 7. Don't get blindsided by Apple stating that they were only going to improve the underpinnings, while the feature set will remain the same the UI and current feature tune ups will blow away Windows 7, enough to where you'll pay Apple's prices for it.
 
dolphin842 said:
I hear ya... the more I look at it the more I'm similarly shocked they didn't include a better discrete card. Only the iMac "Lab Edition" for schools had an integrated chip up until this point. Granted, the new models will likely utilize OpenCL once Snow Leopard comes out, but yeah, color me underwhelmed as well...



There's a legitimate complaint to be made if someone needs to use 400 and 800 devices simultaneously, as a 400 device will drag the whole bus down to 400 speed. Apple could have addressed this by simply including a second port, but alas.
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That already happened on the iMac. The FW400 and FW800 ports were on the same bus, so if you plugged a FW400 device into the FW400 port, it would pull the FW800 device down to FW400 speed. you haven't lost anything.

The only way around it is to daisy chain the FW400 device off of a FW800 device and plug the FW800 device into the iMac.
 
antrasulo said:
I've been patiently waiting to update from my original white macbook that i got 2 1/2 years ago and i'm kinda glad this update came around even though the newer models are kind of a step backwards.. so i just went to the refurb section and bought the 20inch imac 2.66 with ati 2600 pro w/ 320gb and 2mb of ram which is already getting updated to 4gb.. for 999$ before taxes.. now thats a nice price apple.
:apple:
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There are some amazing deals right now for clearance and refurbished Macs.
 
Bare

dolphin842 said:
It all depends when people get a hold of them. I'm sure Macworld will post their benchmarks within a few days, but personally I like BareFeats benchmarks a lot better, as they do lots of different test cases with comparisons to previous-gen Macs.
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Yo, I never heard of these guys 'till just now, but they seem to be pretty level headed. Not like the mostly BS splattered walls of this thread.
 
Was waiting for the upgrade to switch from PC but not so sure now. OSX is not worth the lack of good hardware. I can set all my icons to the taskbar in windows....get PSE from Adobe and pretty much do the same as OSX.

OSX is not worth the prices for the sub par hardware.
 
brera said:
A previous poster's argument that Apple have always sold over-priced and under-powered equipment, and yet still managed to prosper is only partially true. For a substantial period during the Second Coming of Steve Jobs, Apple's sales growth and profitability have been pretty pedestrian, and my concern is that Apple's management may have rather misread the multitude of factors which underlie their company's undoubted sales success over the last couple of years. It could well be that the Mac market share upswing was as much about Microsoft's tribulations vis-à-vis Vista as Apple's brilliantly zeitgeistian products.
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I think in the past, they sold top of the line hardware for the target market. Even when they switched to Intel, they had the best Intel chips. After that point, they've let the gap grow, while the prices have remained high.

You're right. I think Apple could have been at a much larger percentage than they are now as well. I think they stopped worrying about that and worried more about staying in the black with a niche, wealthy audience. It was fine when they had little chance of growing, but MS gave them a major opportunity that I think other CEOs would have noticed and jumped on. Jobs was stubborn and was more interesting in Apple having the #1 hott new **** gadget of the year. That's great for Apple as a company, but sucks for those who want a better, more affordable computer selection.

Steve Jobs' oft-used BMW/Mercedes analogy is also looking more and more like another reality distortion field anomaly when one begins to examine the figures more closely.
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That's sounds nice, but it's more like Gucci vs any other purse. They serve the same function. Cost the same amount to make. The Gucci purse has a Gucci logo on it and wealthy people buy it because normal people can't afford it. I think this is Apple's true hardware strategy. They're appealing to the mentality of the wealthy, an extremely small niche.
 
Remote????

I just noticed you have to pay 20 EXTRA dollars to get an apple remote with a new imac?? These small things is partially why they are able to keep the same price while improving the specs. oh well...:apple:
 
mudenza said:
What do you mean?



120 GT





Mobility Radeon 2600 HD

3D Mark 06 Score : 3134
Cinebench : 2659
Doom 3 HQ: 68 FPS


9400M

3D Mark 06 Score : 2067
Cinebench : 4402
Doom 3 HQ: 83 FPS


I'd say that the 9400M is marginally better than the 2600 in some respects, but in general they are equal

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobile-Graphics-Cards-Benchmark-List.844.0.html

EDIT: Added source
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It would be close except for the fact that the old iMacs used the Mobilty HD2600XT (there is no such thing as a Mobility HD2600 Pro, Apple is playing games with the names to make you think its a desktop card). This was proven over a year ago when the Aluminum iMacs originally came out.

Mobility Radeon HD 2600 XT

3D Mark 06 Score : 4120
Cinebench : 3362
Doom 3 HQ: 102 FPS
 
The Pro line is an example of how much Apple has changed over the years.
The pro line started as high end mid-range computer that most of us could justify buying. It's now priced out in space, and when you look at the hardware aside from the processors, it's not that special. I would have bought one if it were $1600 today. But $2500 base?

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Apple was on the right track with their hardware until about 2005. I think that's when they decided they'd rather just stay in the black by selling at higher profit margins to a smaller audience (the wealthy, diehards, folks unable to compare specs).
 
poxonyou said:
The Pro line is an example of how much Apple has changed over the years.
The pro line started as high end mid-range computer that most of us could justify buying. It's now priced out in space, and when you look at the hardware aside from the processors, it's not that special. I would have bought one if it were $1600 today. But $2500 base?

Apple was on the right track with their hardware until about 2004. I think that's when they decided they'd rather just stay in the black by selling at higher profit margins to a smaller audience (the wealthy, diehards, folks unable to compare specs).
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Thanks for the awesome image.
 
poxonyou said:
Apple was on the right track with their hardware until about 2005. I think that's when they decided they'd rather just stay in the black by selling at higher profit margins to a smaller audience (the wealthy, diehards, folks unable to compare specs).
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Ever since the Intel switch, Apple is not the way they used to be.
It's like the dark and greedy side of Apple has shown up.
 
kabunaru said:
Ever since the Intel switch, Apple is not the way they used to be.
It's like the dark and greedy side of Apple has shown up.
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I don't see much different other than the Intel switch eliminating some of the smoke and mirrors regarding the systems' performance.

It was easy for them to command a premium for the PPC architecture because they were the only ones offering it, and direct comparisons against intel counterparts were difficult.

Now that veil is gone, and they have to compete directly against the PC world commodity components where GHz matters, more cores are better, and people expect the best possible performance for the least possible money - even if they don't need it and will never use it.
 
knownikko said:
I don't see much different other than the Intel switch eliminating some of the smoke and mirrors regarding the systems' performance.

It was easy for them to command a premium for the PPC architecture because they were the only ones offering it, and direct comparisons against intel counterparts were difficult.

Now that veil is gone, and they have to compete directly against the PC world commodity components where GHz matters, more cores are better, and people expect the best possible performance for the least possible money - even if they don't need it and will never use it.
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It wasn't all smoke and mirrors. Independent tests usually showed the PPC chips outperformed similar Intel chips. Also, that chart shows their pricing structure was different. Remember the iMacs used to be what the Mac Mini is now, but with a screen. A cheap, extremely basic computer that people could afford and justify purchasing.
 
I can see some cost cutting done by Apple here and they just assume most customers will overlook the de-contenting of the product.

Apple remote is now extra. The keyboard with the numeric keypad is not extra, but it is optional and to get it you must order your iMac through Apple. The stock iMacs that ship to Apple Stores and Authorized re-sellers are going to have the cheaper keyboard in the box and if you want the numeric keyboard you will have to buy it as an extra purchase.

Sneaky Apple. They found a way to make more money and hope the consumer won't notice. Now they are not alone in doing this, many companies do the exact same thing it is just when you pay the price you do for a Mac you should get those little extras.
 
johnmcboston said:
Well, where has the PPC chip gone in the last 3 years?? Any major advances?
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It's hard to compare now because Apple was the only major vendor offering PowerPC computers to a consumer market. They tend to be specialized for specific functions, varying greatly from videogame consles (Nintendo's, PS3) to super computers. The problem isn't Intel vs PPC, it's Apple's overall hardware strategy. They decided to stop being competitive and decided to appeal directly to a niche audience, one that sees a computer as part of their lifestyle and will gladly, or unknowingly, pay more to have something that others can't afford. The Apple brand says something about them, like a Gucci purse, or designer jeans. This is why Apple Stores are often in shopping centers and malls.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC_Implementations
 
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