Bigger processor,HDMI,improvement's that would justify the long waits between serious refreshes, option for 7200 rpm HDD's. maybe Blu-Ray
Why would you expect HDMI? And why would the mac mini outperform a macbook?
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Why would you expect HDMI? And why would the mac mini outperform a macbook?
The iMac is a laptop on a vertical stand, and folk have been building laptops for years. Nothing really that clever about it.
Now ... about this Hackintosh ...
I have my eye on the entry level Mini. I can ebay the keyboard/mouse because an extra $100 for them is dumb. I can buy it right now with the money I have in the bank but I'm moving house so I better not!
My main point was, it's ridiculous to arbitrarily divide your machines (and your customers) into pros and consumers. A consumer is just a pro that hasn't figured out to make money with their computer yet.
Apple doesn't need 50 types of machines, just make the ones they already have more customizable. I hate to say this, but Apple could learn something from Dell.
Been Mac Since 1985....but
Honestly, Apple? Honestly? That's you're upgrade? I bought your stuff in the 80's, early 90's, mid (on death's door) 90's, throughout this decade now. And with all that loyalty, it's rewarded with fatter margins, weaker upgrades?
Apple certainly has created an incentive....Wonder how those Hackintoshs work?
Honestly, Apple? Honestly? That's you're upgrade? I bought your stuff in the 80's, early 90's, mid (on death's door) 90's, throughout this decade now. And with all that loyalty, it's rewarded with fatter margins, weaker upgrades?
Apple certainly has created an incentive....Wonder how those Hackintoshs work?
I don't know why everyone is all shocked that there's no blu ray even though at a recent keynote it was called a "bag of hurt" by apple.
I wasn't expecting great things from the Mini but the 1 gb of ram is nuts for 2009.
Think about it...since like 2001, 1 GB has been the minimum!
I wasn't expecting great things from the Mini but the 1 gb of ram is nuts for 2009.
Think about it...since like 2001, 1 GB has been the minimum!
Why would you stick up? Do you have Apple shares?
I hope Windows comes up with a solid OS which will stop people switching to Apple or even switching back to Windows. This price increases are making me really mad. ( Talking about 20" iMac )
Why shouldn't it outperform the macbook? It doesn't include the display or the keyboard housing.
Why should Apple intentionally cripple their hardware just to artificially differentiate their products?
That's a bit of an exageration, isn't it? Most PCs back then came with like 256MB of RAM.
Although seriously! One gig!? Good thing I'm looking at the MBPs. The price of the mini is getting ridiculous for what it offers.
Hmm I don't know about that. I remember in 2001 getting a PC with 512 mb ram then adding on to 1 GB maybe a year later...I'm sure the high end back then was a gig.
OK guys, I've been sitting here reading this thread virtually all day long (I didn't exactly have anything better to do since I'm at home sick...)
I've been waiting for the new Mini for roughly a year now, so I was kinda chocked when I saw the news and realized that the wait was finally over.
The first thing that struck me was like "is that it? Have I really been waiting so long for this?"
In the meantime I've also tried installing OSX86 on my PC, and I think I've been trying for at least 4 hours now, with no success whatsoever. I really have tried every possible option and combination, so I'm clearly not doing it wrong...
So, I guess I'll just have to dish out the cash for the new Mini, even though I think it's too expensive. I'll probably wait a week or two in order to get some more input from people who've already gone and bought it.
The price for the "cheapest" (ehm...) Mini here in Sweden is 6.895,00 SEK.
That's 744,80 USD!! I'm not too happy about that, to say the least. In the end, all I want is a small and quiet machine which a beautiful operating system, and I think the Mini will be able to give me that, even though it comes with a high price...
I've been waiting for the new Mini for roughly a year now, so I was kinda chocked when I saw the news and realized that the wait was finally over.
The first thing that struck me was like "is that it? Have I really been waiting so long for this?"
In the meantime I've also tried installing OSX86 on my PC, and I think I've been trying for at least 4 hours now, with no success whatsoever. I really have tried every possible option and combination, so I'm clearly not doing it wrong...
So, I guess I'll just have to dish out the cash for the new Mini, even though I think it's too expensive. I'll probably wait a week or two in order to get some more input from people who've already gone and bought it.
The price for the "cheapest" (ehm...) Mini here in Sweden is 6.895,00 SEK.
That's 744,80 USD!! I'm not too happy about that, to say the least. In the end, all I want is a small and quiet machine which a beautiful operating system, and I think the Mini will be able to give me that, even though it comes with a high price...
Why? I may not be happy with Apple, but if Microsoft wins, we all lose.
At least try some flavor of Linux (Ubuntu, Red Hat, etc.) before switching back.
I don't think so. I bought one in 1999-2000 timeframe and it had 64mb with the option of 96mb as a promo. One year later, I dont think PC's were coming with a GIG...but, I don't recall for sure.
Not bad. Not fantastic for the long wait, but not bad, on the Mini.
The machine should at least be able to drive two identical monitors now, which is good. It should be able to at least playback HD-resolution video to a screen, which is good.
FW800... good... Now it is asking for a FW800 Drobo external storage array.
RAM and HD are kind of pathetic. I hope they make the computer capable of being disassembled with a screwdriver, rather than a putty knife. That is a bit more than ridiculous.
I would still get a 2.26 processor upgrade, with base HD and RAM, and put in OCZ or Crucial RAM (4GB) and SSD. (64-128GB), and get it running fast and silent, with file storage off-loaded to the FW800 storage array, or NAS, or other computer with larger storage. Or even a TimeCapsule or AirPort with external drive.
With an EyeTV dual-tuner and hardware video encoder, Griffin RadioShark, and a nice fast broadband connection, this could make a nice little HTPC, connected to my TOSLINK-input AV receiver, and a DVI-capable High-def monitor.
The only thing missing would be BluRay playback and archive-burning. Maybe an external FW800 burner, or an internal optical drive replacement might be available someday...
Plus, it can probably be set up to a nice little BootCamp/virtual windows machine with Parallels or VMWare Fusion running from the BC partition, maybe driving dual monitors. Or even headless as a server with screen sharing.
Not bad. People wanting desktop grade hardware though are still either having to step up to Mac Pro, which costs more than a Mini, Drobo, and SDD/RAM upgrade, or go the Hackintosh route.
The hole in the lineup for an affordable desktop is still not closed, but it isn't as gaping wide as it was yesterday.
The machine should at least be able to drive two identical monitors now, which is good. It should be able to at least playback HD-resolution video to a screen, which is good.
FW800... good... Now it is asking for a FW800 Drobo external storage array.
RAM and HD are kind of pathetic. I hope they make the computer capable of being disassembled with a screwdriver, rather than a putty knife. That is a bit more than ridiculous.
I would still get a 2.26 processor upgrade, with base HD and RAM, and put in OCZ or Crucial RAM (4GB) and SSD. (64-128GB), and get it running fast and silent, with file storage off-loaded to the FW800 storage array, or NAS, or other computer with larger storage. Or even a TimeCapsule or AirPort with external drive.
With an EyeTV dual-tuner and hardware video encoder, Griffin RadioShark, and a nice fast broadband connection, this could make a nice little HTPC, connected to my TOSLINK-input AV receiver, and a DVI-capable High-def monitor.
The only thing missing would be BluRay playback and archive-burning. Maybe an external FW800 burner, or an internal optical drive replacement might be available someday...
Plus, it can probably be set up to a nice little BootCamp/virtual windows machine with Parallels or VMWare Fusion running from the BC partition, maybe driving dual monitors. Or even headless as a server with screen sharing.
Not bad. People wanting desktop grade hardware though are still either having to step up to Mac Pro, which costs more than a Mini, Drobo, and SDD/RAM upgrade, or go the Hackintosh route.
The hole in the lineup for an affordable desktop is still not closed, but it isn't as gaping wide as it was yesterday.
This is a ridiculous update. Our Media college can only afford the base model, and what have they done. They've jacked up the price by nearly £200, they've removed the firewire 400 port and they've taken out a dedicated graphics card and put in the same shared memory one you get in the s*dding Mac Mini. Pathetic!! We're ordering the old ones.
I really don't get Apples stance on Firewire, i really don't. For those who are saying that it's ok there's still a Firewire 800. That's a ridiculous argument in my view. The white iMac Intels not only had a Firewire 800, they had 2 firewire 400's. The first alu imac took out one of the 400s, and now it doesn't have one at all. How is that fair considering the price is £200 more. Fair enough if there was an expansion port like you get on the MacBook Pros so you can add more, but there isn't. All of our cameras are still Firewire, and cameras and VTR Decks you can still buy use Firewire, so why are they trying to get rid of it? Why sell iMovie if you don't make a computer that supports the hardware?
I really don't get Apples stance on Firewire, i really don't. For those who are saying that it's ok there's still a Firewire 800. That's a ridiculous argument in my view. The white iMac Intels not only had a Firewire 800, they had 2 firewire 400's. The first alu imac took out one of the 400s, and now it doesn't have one at all. How is that fair considering the price is £200 more. Fair enough if there was an expansion port like you get on the MacBook Pros so you can add more, but there isn't. All of our cameras are still Firewire, and cameras and VTR Decks you can still buy use Firewire, so why are they trying to get rid of it? Why sell iMovie if you don't make a computer that supports the hardware?
How? Its how many many many businesses do, well, business. There is ALWAYS going to be different tiers with different price ranges. The label is just that , a label.
...provided the original Mini was good value for money, which it was not. It was twice the price already of similar small form factor desktops like the Atom based Eee Box and had a comparable price tag coupled with less connectivity when compared to the direct competition, such as Dell's Hybrid Desktop, which already had X3100 graphics (not that they're great, admittedly, but they're still better than the crappy 950 that the Mini had), 2Gb memory standard, a 250Gb hard drive, and support for dual displays with a FULL SIZE DVI port and HDMI as well. Oh, and separate audio outputs for analogue and TOSLINK.
And even they were / are overpriced.
I'm glad the Mini now has some reasonable specs for what could be a great all round home computer, but the price tag attached to it is ridiculous.
I don't care how awesome they are, they're still sharing memory. How hard is it to dedicate a 512MB chip to a GPU?
I hear ya... the more I look at it the more I'm similarly shocked they didn't include a better discrete card. Only the iMac "Lab Edition" for schools had an integrated chip up until this point. Granted, the new models will likely utilize OpenCL once Snow Leopard comes out, but yeah, color me underwhelmed as well...
There's a legitimate complaint to be made if someone needs to use 400 and 800 devices simultaneously, as a 400 device will drag the whole bus down to 400 speed. Apple could have addressed this by simply including a second port, but alas.
http://web.archive.org/web/20010615121158/www.dell.ca/en/dhs/products/series_dimen_desktops.htm
June 2001: there is the proof.
I don't understand
I can understand some of the complaints in this thread with the new price differences.
However, what I don't understand is that we've all been following the rumors for the past 3 months, as far as what nVidia chip may be used, and I don't recall hearing any complaints (in reference to the iMac). Then today Apple releases the iMac with that chip and people act like Apple pissed in their cheerios.
As for me personally...I'll probably buy an iMac a few months down the road. Just debating if I should hold off until Snow Leopard is released/announced.
I can understand some of the complaints in this thread with the new price differences.
However, what I don't understand is that we've all been following the rumors for the past 3 months, as far as what nVidia chip may be used, and I don't recall hearing any complaints (in reference to the iMac). Then today Apple releases the iMac with that chip and people act like Apple pissed in their cheerios.
As for me personally...I'll probably buy an iMac a few months down the road. Just debating if I should hold off until Snow Leopard is released/announced.
Because that is the ONLY option. There is nothing in-between. Like I had said before, it is a bad design that can easily be remedied.
Because it is a low-cost solution. Combining the outputs with not ability to split them apart is a mark of poor design. To make the mistake once is excusable, but to repeat it as if they "got it right the first time" is pure laziness.
What licenses? They already HAVE Toslink! It's just combined with the headphone output. Perhaps you don't understand that because you haven't used it (I can understand that, it took me a while to figure out). You can plug headphones into the 1/8" jack, or you can plug an 1/8" adapter to Toslink square for digital audio... but you cannot plug both, nor is there a splitter available. That's my beef.