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ummm need I remind you last time they didn't play by the analyst's rules they failed and needed to be bailed out by Microsoft. (Something that only happened because Microsoft was pressed by the government to keep its competitors alive)

Yup, the last time was way back then:rolleyes:

Analysts have been calling for cheaper/faster macs for years, and in those years mac sales have only gone up.
 
ummm need I remind you last time they didn't play by the analyst's rules they failed and needed to be bailed out by Microsoft. (Something that only happened because Microsoft was pressed by the government to keep its competitors alive)

Nope, Apple was sitting on about 6 billion in cash at the time. The 100 million was to settle the patent claims.
 
ummm need I remind you last time they didn't play by the analyst's rules they failed and needed to be bailed out by Microsoft. (Something that only happened because Microsoft was pressed by the government to keep its competitors alive)

Jimmy, that was over 10 years ago. Let it go. Stop giving credit to Microsoft for Apple's success. I mentioned on my previous post that Microsoft has actually made a lot of money from what Apple has contributed to the media industry. Lots of PC's have been sold to keep up with the latest of Apple's products such as iTunes, the iPod, iPhone. Apple has helped Dell, HP, Sony and Microsoft make money indirectly.
Also Microsoft didn't give that money away for free ya know, we had to be blessed with that blasphemous Internet Explorer glued to the Apple desktop by default.
 
Someone who has new thread privileges should make this a new topic...

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The ENTIRE computer line now has firewire 800, but the macbook. Granted the Air doesn't but some would argue its really more like half a computer.

Your montage woulda had some REAL kick to it if you included the cheaper white macbook having FW:p
 
I can't be the only one disguisted that Apple continues to stonewall Blu-Ray????

If people weren't so upset about the lackluster updates overall, this would have been a point of frustration with many. I'm sure many are frustrated by it as well, well, aside from the apologists living in fantasy land who think Blu-Ray is dead and iTune digital movies are good enough.
 
uhuh... and the bundling of internet explorer and giving Microsoft Apple shares... that was just for fun?

Those shares werent even voting shares, they were essentially a PR stunt. Also, I dont like how harshly that other guy responded to you, I happen to like TuffLuff, so lay off guys.:p
 
A chick who knows nothing about macs

Okay...I do not mean to sound stupid, but I really do not know much about macs in general. I am a windows person and have been waiting for the new imacs to come out in the hopes of becoming a first time mac owner. I have been keeping up on the postings here and have of course run across many opinions which is great. Unfortunately it's been confusing! I use my computer for mid range gaming, office applications and media. From what I can see the upgrades from old imac to new imac yield a graphics card that you can not upgrade (must be intergrated into the motherboard somehow) and a lack of the obvious no quad core, etc. I can get a killer pc for less with more but of course apple products are known for reliability and lets face it the imac comes with a nice screen although the graphics card may not support it. Can someone tell me am I better off with the low end imac or build my own pc taking in consideration speed, ability to upgrade and versatility? Please guys... talk slowly and go easy on me! :D
 
Okay...I do not mean to sound stupid, but I really do not know much about macs in general. I am a windows person and have been waiting for the new imacs to come out in the hopes of becoming a first time mac owner. I have been keeping up on the postings here and have of course run across many opinions which is great. Unfortunately it's been confusing! I use my computer for mid range gaming, office applications and media. From what I can see the upgrades from old imac to new imac yield a graphics card that you can not upgrade (must be intergrated into the motherboard somehow) and a lack of the obvious no quad core, etc. I can get a killer pc for less with more but of course apple products are known for reliability and lets face it the imac comes with a nice screen although the graphics card may not support it. Can someone tell me am I better off with the low end imac or build my own pc taking in consideration speed, ability to upgrade and versatility? Please guys... talk slowly and go easy on me! :D

REALLY depends on how much you like OSX. If you can take or leave it, you (and your wallet) will be happy with building your own.
 
Okay...I do not mean to sound stupid, but I really do not know much about macs in general. I am a windows person and have been waiting for the new imacs to come out in the hopes of becoming a first time mac owner. I have been keeping up on the postings here and have of course run across many opinions which is great. Unfortunately it's been confusing! I use my computer for mid range gaming, office applications and media. From what I can see the upgrades from old imac to new imac yield a graphics card that you can not upgrade (must be intergrated into the motherboard somehow) and a lack of the obvious no quad core, etc. I can get a killer pc for less with more but of course apple products are known for reliability and lets face it the imac comes with a nice screen although the graphics card may not support it. Can someone tell me am I better off with the low end imac or build my own pc taking in consideration speed, ability to upgrade and versatility? Please guys... talk slowly and go easy on me! :D

You sound like a good candidate for a hackintosh.
 
Okay...I do not mean to sound stupid, but I really do not know much about macs in general. I am a windows person and have been waiting for the new imacs to come out in the hopes of becoming a first time mac owner. I have been keeping up on the postings here and have of course run across many opinions which is great. Unfortunately it's been confusing! I use my computer for mid range gaming, office applications and media. From what I can see the upgrades from old imac to new imac yield a graphics card that you can not upgrade (must be intergrated into the motherboard somehow) and a lack of the obvious no quad core, etc. I can get a killer pc for less with more but of course apple products are known for reliability and lets face it the imac comes with a nice screen although the graphics card may not support it. Can someone tell me am I better off with the low end imac or build my own pc taking in consideration speed, ability to upgrade and versatility? Please guys... talk slowly and go easy on me! :D

Every iMac has had graphics soldered to the motherboard and were non upgradable.
 
Nope, Apple was sitting on about 6 billion in cash at the time. The 100 million was to settle the patent claims.

Nice try. If you look at the actual financials at the time, Apple was sitting on less than $1.5 billion. However, its net loss for 1997 alone exceeded $300 million. If you read any article at the time and retrospective about the $100 million gesture from Microsoft, it was more a move by Microsoft to avoid more scrutiny from the FTC. Microsoft could really care less about the patent claims. Apple, at the time, was really doing poorly and many speculated on its last legs. I had avoided Apple for a while before 1997 until it released the Bondi iMac. My previous Mac before the Bondi iMac was a PowerBook 165c.
 
It wasn't a 'try'. :eek: That was my understanding. I'm happy to stand corrected!

For facts on the actual balance sheet for its fiscal year ended September 26, 1997:

http://idea.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/320193/0001047469-97-006960.txt

Note: Apple had about $1.5 billion in cash, $7 billion in net sales, $1 billion in net losses, $950 million long term debt.

In sum, it was in bad shape. Microsoft didn't save Apple. However, to suggest that Apple is above tough times and will always survive is laughable. I posted maybe three times on this topic because I am admittedly a bit disgruntled with Macs lately and the high prices that Apple demands and the fact that fanboys just annoy the crap out of me. Again, I am seriously considering switching to Windows 7 when it arrives.
 
However, to suggest that Apple is above tough times and will always survive is laughable.

I hope I didn't give that impression - I was just trying to correct a comment. I would never make such a suggestion.

Again, I am seriously considering switching to Windows 7 when it arrives.

Can I suggest a Hackintosh? I certainly know how you feel.....but Windows 7 is just the same old stuff with a new face.
 
In terms of what?

Sales? Not a chance.
Market Share (compared to today)? No way.
New user adaption? Nope.
Stability? Probably even. I don't know about SL, but W7 in beta is very stable.
Speed? Maybe, but W7 in beta is faster than Leopard right now.
Features? Hard to say. W7 has a lot of great features. Apple is tight lipped on SL features.

I'll vote with my wallet, betting that 10k worth of MS stock right now will be worth more than 10k of Apple in 12 months.

Stabillity? Leopard is already more stable than Windows 7. Windows will never be more stable than OS X.
Speed? Faster than Leopard? Not really. The speed is the same if not slightly slower.
Features? No Windows Live programs? Bigger taskbar? Hooray!
 
Okay...I do not mean to sound stupid, but I really do not know much about macs in general. I am a windows person and have been waiting for the new imacs to come out in the hopes of becoming a first time mac owner. I have been keeping up on the postings here and have of course run across many opinions which is great. Unfortunately it's been confusing! I use my computer for mid range gaming, office applications and media. From what I can see the upgrades from old imac to new imac yield a graphics card that you can not upgrade (must be intergrated into the motherboard somehow) and a lack of the obvious no quad core, etc. I can get a killer pc for less with more but of course apple products are known for reliability and lets face it the imac comes with a nice screen although the graphics card may not support it. Can someone tell me am I better off with the low end imac or build my own pc taking in consideration speed, ability to upgrade and versatility? Please guys... talk slowly and go easy on me! :D

Why do you want to switch to Mac? You must have some reason(s). As for mid-level gaming, the new iMacs will probably work fine, but that greatly depends on what you can accept.

You'll get way more power for less money with a new Windows PC. But if you want the Mac OSX look and feel then you're stuck paying a significant premium for it.

I look at a computer as a tool. Whatever helps me get the job done best is what I want. For you, if you want a variety of games you should pick a PC. If you want Office compatibility between home and work, then you should pick a PC with the same version of Office that you have at work. For media, either will work fine.

Don't get sucked into the Mac hype. Make sure that you understand what you're getting into. If you haven't yet, spend a lot of time at a commercial store playing with Leopard and make an informed choice.
 
still no-one commented just how well the DDR3 @ 1066mhz system bus speed will work (9400M) with Snow Leopard and using the GPU like a CPU??!!!
Well, actually, I did comment on that earlier, at least on the part about offloading tasks to the GPU.

However, I'm looking at it more from the perspective of an owner of a white iMac, so the lack of CPU upgrade in this quiet update is less of an issue for me.

One thing that has put me off, however, is the 4-6 week wait for the 4850.
 
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