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I really don’t see why people expect a smaller phone ever being made again. You want small and you want all the new goodies. And long battery life like the ProMax. Not physically possible or financially possible. This phone was built to be powerful but not a powerhouse like the Max. It was built for the average phone user to have a reasonable sized phone it’s not huge. Battery life on my sons old 7 was 6-8 hours screen time. That’s not bad. You can easily one hand it and have no issues. Everyone predicted the XR would fail. I bet this phone out sells the SE Gen 1 and the XR. It’s a great buy, great chipset, and good battery life.
 
I really don’t see why people expect a smaller phone ever being made again. You want small and you want all the new goodies. And long battery life like the ProMax. Not physically possible or financially possible. This phone was built to be powerful but not a powerhouse like the Max. It was built for the average phone user to have a reasonable sized phone it’s not huge. Battery life on my sons old 7 was 6-8 hours screen time. That’s not bad. You can easily one hand it and have no issues. Everyone predicted the XR would fail. I bet this phone out sells the SE Gen 1 and the XR. It’s a great buy, great chipset, and good battery life.
Wrong. 5.4" iPhone 12 is literally everything the 5S/SE 1st Gen crowd is asking for. About same size as 1st gen SE but with all the bells and whistles

It will be a major success when it arrives and will caught all other phone manufacturers off guard. It will take them some time to figure out what they missed out on and how to manufacture a phone like that
 
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Would have been happier if this was the 4" form factor, but this looks like a decent buy and definitely the one that I would get if I had to buy a phone now. However, I'm in no hurry and will keep using my 4" phone for a bit, perhaps until the stores open and I can actually try one of these in person and also get a feel for the colors.

Seems like Apple is, for the first time in many years, focusing on providing a good value, both with the 2020 MBA and now with the 2020 SE. 👍
 
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Why did they call it the same name as a previous different product ?
The same reason they do it for iPad Air, iPad, iPod touch, and so on. In cases where it matters, like accessory compatibility, they refer to it as “iPhone SE (2nd generation).”
 
Android is by far the most popular mobile OS but obviously people have different preferences. My point is that Apple charges way more for similar (or inferior) product than the competition.

A5x phones are Samsung's second tier phones (just under S series) and they get two OS version updates and security updates for three or more years (with most of the stuff - except for core OS - on Android being updated via Play Store indefinitely).

My point being some people want this new SE because it’s an iPhone, and it’s not too expensive. They aren’t going to care about Samsung’s budget phones. They want the SE because they want an iPhone.
 
That's not how VAT math works. In order to get 419 with 20% VAT you must have a non VAT price of 349, not 319.20.
Yeah dunno what I did there but it was some kind of brain fart. that’s not how math works full stop, transposed the 19 into the second sum. Ah well at least I’m not in a maths based profession.
 
Wrong. 5.4" iPhone 12 is literally everything the 5S/SE 1st Gen crowd is asking for. About same size as 1st gen SE but with all the bells and whistles

It will be a major success when it arrives and will caught all other phone manufacturers off guard. It will take them some time to figure out what they missed out on and how to manufacture a phone like that

Nah, then they will complain that it costs too much.
 
In Apple's Newsroom article, it mention's iPhone SE, then jumps right into iOS 13 talk about night mode in the sentence right after. This leads me to believe it would have the 11 camera.

It talks about Dark Mode, not Night Mode. Dark Mode has nothing to do with the camera, it just makes the user interface dark instead of light. Easier on the eyes.
 
Wrong. 5.4" iPhone 12 is literally everything the 5S/SE 1st Gen crowd is asking for. About same size as 1st gen SE but with all the bells and whistles

It will be a major success when it arrives and will caught all other phone manufacturers off guard. It will take them some time to figure out what they missed out on and how to manufacture a phone like that

Even without borders the iPhone 12 5.4" will still be quite bit bigger than the 5S/SE, it will also be a lot heavier. It is going to feel nothing like using the 5S/SE, way too big for one handed usage.
 
I’ll wait for the iPhone 12 to replace my 8. Great phone I’m sure, but no reason for me to part with £419 or ~£280 trade in, especially in the middle of a pandemic. Plus the pound is rubbish now, this would have been £239 if the pound was at 2007 value! Not Apple’s fault of course.

I might have jumped if the battery life was better but instead I can just pay Apple £49 to change my battery. I won’t notice the difference between the two for my usage.

Bet clearance iPhone 8 models look pretty tempting right now. Saying that my mum has an iPhone 7 and my friend has a 6S, they still work great for them.
 
It is wrong to call the 4.7” as a SE to begin with.

Apple thinks carrying over the 8 size but at a lower price and better performance defines an “SE,” while many of us equate an SE not to just its near carry-overness of an exisiting model but its smaller size. Even Apple at the time recognized it, from Wikipedia:

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But in typical fashion, Apple knows what consumers want, not the consumers ourselves.
 
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This is perfect. Basically an iPhone 11 but half the price.
-Solid camera
-BT 5.0
-WiFi 6
-Band 71 LTE support
-Latest A13 processor
-IP67 waterproofing is good enough
-Display isn't OLED but P3 support means it's still pretty great

And they'll give me $80 for my iPhone 6S. $320 for probably another 5 years of updates, I'm actually astonished it's this good for the money. Sure the 11 Pro has a great OLED display and fancy camera system but it's not 2.5x as good.

Kind of makes the basic iPhone 11 obsolete in my opinion.

Now if they'll just update the Mac lineup and drop the prices 10% they'll be competitive again...
 
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