Gotta be a pretty big chump to drop $400 on a new iPhone SE when you can buy a 1-2 year old XS for the same money.
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Apple Announces New iPhone SE With 4.7-Inch Display, A13 Chip, and Touch ID, Starts at $399
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We also appreciate the sleep button not being directly across from the landscape orientation camera shutter button. #DumbDesignChoice Award
Do you think all of these comments are positive or show interest/excitement for this phone? At least one guy has probably made 20 negative posts in this thread and then there's all of the inane one liners like 'no night mode - no buy'.
Don't get me wrong, I love the idea of this phone for those that want smaller, Touch ID, etc. but it has certainly brought out a lot of negativity as well because people just can't seem to ignore something they aren't interested in and instead need to let everyone know just how unexcited they are. (as if anyone cares)
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I suspect most of the negativity towards this phone is because it represents Apple's complete failure to make a decent replacement for those who love the original SE.
Of course, it will be ignored but that won't stop people complaining about it.
And yes, there is nothing, I mean absolutely nothing exciting about this phone.
Of course, it will be ignored but that won't stop people complaining about it.
And yes, there is nothing, I mean absolutely nothing exciting about this phone.
Here's hoping for the iPhone 12 5.4 inch!
I have concerns about the upcoming 5.4" iPhone 12.
The drawings predict that this new model will have nearly the same physical dimensions as the old 4" SE... but with an edge-to-edge 5.4" screen. That sounds great.
However... physically speaking... the body is very small. There will have to be substantial miniaturization to get all the goodies inside it.
I don't think people realize how much smaller an old SE-sized body is compared to the current iPhone 11. It's quite different. Remarkably different. That's less room for battery, less room for cameras and other sensors, etc.
Below is what an iPhone SE looks like compared to the iPhone 11.
Notice the difference in physical body size.
Are we sure Apple can put iPhone 12 components inside a body roughly the same size as the old SE ?
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That is why I am eagerly waiting for 5.4" iPhone this year. Almost as same size as the old SE.
This will be the phone for me this year.
This will be the phone for me this year.
I've been interacting with this thread since yesterday (I've been hanging around due to my excitement for getting this phone: likely the only new phone I'll be buying in an eight-year span!), and I have seen a lot of complaint about the size, and a lot of statement that this ISN'T an iPhone SE because it's not a 4" phone. Well, it is an iPhone SE because it's called an iPhone SE, and this reveals what Apple's product strategy is for the SE brand.
But this quote above is really what it gets at, and is phrased correctly. I know this is nitpicky, but I'm a picker of nits (I'm great fun at parties!)...when macduke suggests that "most people buy the SE because they like having a smaller iPhone" that's spot on: it doesn't matter what Apple's intent is (about the SE or about any product)...each of us has his/her own priorities as far as aspects of a phone. Size is one of them, and the original SE was definitely a unique aspect in Apple's lineup.
So to suggest that many people bought the original SE because they wanted a 4" iPhone is a perfectly defensible thing, whereas claiming that this new SE isn't an SE at all because it's not the same size is not.
To beat a dying horse:
This is exactly it. Until yesterday, the 2016 SE was a one-off. It could have philosophically been a size thing, from the outside that was a reasonable thing to think. Until today. Now we have two models of SE on the timeline, and we can look at them both and clearly see the similarities and have a better understanding of what the SE line really is. Doesn't mean anyone has to like it: I bought the original SE for its size, too! But clearly this is what it really is.
I know John Gruber isn't everyone's cup of tea, but here's his take from this morning:
Daring Fireball on the new SE
Not appropos of the rest of this post, I agree with this. There's the physical size of the thing, which crosses a threshold where handling it requires different mechanics (in a way that the 4" iPhone didn't require different mechanics to the 3.5" iPhone). So there's that trade-off to the larger screen size. But I believe the sleep button placement is going to drive me nuts until I get new muscle memory: the sleep button SHOULD be on the top in a perfect world: it would lead to fewer accidental sleeps I would imagine. But the phone's height surpasses a point where it would be easy to just reach with your index finger to the top and hit the button, so clearly it had to be moved. But I will miss that placement.
The time has come to switch my Star Trek communicator flip phone for a smart phone. This will be my first.
lol, it's just the second wave. The morning commenters beat it, and by the time the evening commenters got here they weren't going to read 20 pages of posts, so they just beat it all over again!
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If you're not pulling our legs, this is really impressive! I can't say why, I'm just impressed.
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It's why the original SE form factor sales were good. The 2020 iPhone 8S won't be replacing that demographic.
Good luck (seriously).
Separately - my iPhone 7 has a ****ed lightning port and a not-fantastic battery. I'd planned to drop it off for repair around the time the apocalypse happened, while also considering if I should just upgrade to an 11 (or 11 Pro). This is intriguing though - it's not so much that the 11 (pro or not) is too expensive (it'll be a company expense, and I happen to have a very good relationship with the director, I'm sitting in his chair wearing his pants right now), but I don't know that I'd get ~3x the value out of it. The better camera would be nice, but I don't play games (on any device), and I suspect I'd miss Touch ID.. so maybe this is a good middle ground.
Correct. The iphone SE (2 ) though will be looking for a somewhat different, but overlapping demographic. Those with older phones that want a "budget" phone. If the XR is any indication, this might be a runaway best seller.
They should have reused the iPhone Xr parts and went with a lower price of $299.
That wouldn’t hurt their margins that much and would make a 6 years old design more enticing for budget buyers.
That wouldn’t hurt their margins that much and would make a 6 years old design more enticing for budget buyers.
Since I wasn't interested in the XR (really much too big for my taste), I haven't been paying attention. Has it been that big a seller?
I think I understand what you mean, but even looking at other images on apple’s website of the white SE 2 shows it has a black bezel like the other two color options.
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This is a great device for those of us who don't want to drop $1k on a phone, but I still long for a 4" screen form factor, which was perfect for one-handed usability and front-pocket fit.
I agree that's a really interesting question!I have concerns about the upcoming 5.4" iPhone 12.
The drawings predict that this new model will have nearly the same physical dimensions as the old 4" SE... but with an edge-to-edge 5.4" screen. That sounds great.
However... physically speaking... the body is very small. There will have to be substantial miniaturization to get all the goodies inside it.
I don't think people realize how much smaller an old SE-sized body is compared to the current iPhone 11. It's quite different. Remarkably different. That's less room for battery, less room for cameras and other sensors, etc.
Below is what an iPhone SE looks like compared to the iPhone 11.
Notice the difference in physical body size.
Are we sure Apple can put iPhone 12 components inside a body roughly the same size as the old SE ?
I'm intending to purchase the SE, so as I am not going to buy the next flagship, count me in as "curious" rather than "concerned," but it's still an interesting question.
Not just the miniaturization of parts, but also of the interface, maybe? I know it's supposed to be a 5.4" screen...but I wonder if gestures will feel cramped on the smaller chassis. On the other hand I swipe up all the time on the current SE to get to Control Center, so perhaps I'm overthinking it.
There was some article about the XR in MR not too long ago. The XR was the best selling phone, but I can't remember the time period, nor can I remember the geographic region.
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More so than any other iPhone before it, Apple's new SE model shows the company's phones should cost less.
I have a small child. Imagine my excitement to catch that “instant pose” or “cuteness” with a raise-to-wake, swipe left on lock screen, landscape for video clip, click the shutter button, ...and the damn thing goes back to sleep.
Now I have an iPhone-shaped hole in my wall.
I told the Apple Store associate that’s why I swapped my iPhone 6 for the SE and paid cash in full. I abhor that shell design. The designer should be raked over the coals for it, and whomever approved it past DVT should be fired. The camera bump just reeks of laziness for the design team. Yet it still remains in use today... I’ll never understand why.
I cannot and will not trade my SE for any new iPhone without a significant shell redesign. I know I’m one of 4 or 5 people on the planet who cares, but I’ll continue holding Apple accountable.
I also go case-less because the design is a thing of beauty and should be displayed proudly. With the SE design and square body, I can hold it with an easier grip than I ever could my iPhone 6. Plus, it lays flat and can hold stable on its edge for a remote photo shutter with my Apple Watch. You can’t do a remote photo with the Apple Watch and the iPhone 6-11pro design. That feature of the watch is useless otherwise. (I’ve done several remote photos and videos with my watch and SE, because I can).
I guess I’m “old” now.
I’ll be one of those renegade tech nerds from some bad tech movie that lurks in seedy bars and whines about “the grid”.. haha
I'd rather have a proven design than the risks of a new design.
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Not looking to buy the new SE, but what a great deal? A13 processor, Apple's great cameras, strong software support, many of the latest features (Wi-Fi 6, 2x2 MIMO, Band 71, power reserve for transit and Apple Pay), TouchID, water resistance, wireless charging, fast charging, stereo recording. It's a great successor to the iPhone 8 and blows the original SE away w/ newer features and improved specs.
If I needed a new phone on a budget? The $400 SE would be the one to go for.
If I needed a new phone on a budget? The $400 SE would be the one to go for.
It's a classic like the Porsche 911. Apple can keep the design the same every year and it'll sell tons.