Apple Announces New MacBook Pros, Updates MacBook Air

[pointycollars]

good question...Im asking the same thing from myself with the lack of updates of Apples pro line. I have worked with Final Cut ever since Apple acquired it from Macromedia and DVD Pro from Spruce (if I remember it correctly).

There are some viable pc options out there...the only thing apple has going for it now is case design. Lack of features like a quad processor in a 17 laptops...like I mentioned, apple used to blame IBM when they could not keep up...whats the excuse now when Intel has the chips?

Anyway...I have to wait and reconsider quite a bit of things.
Apple has some for awhile cornered due to their investment in software, etc.

But if they dont pick up, they will loose a market they once were strong in.
Its an irony to be sure how things are turning out. Apple the iphone consumer market.

Hmmm...time for me to buy a company or two and put together a revolution in computing and software for pros. (Ill take first dib at acquiring all of Autoedesk products and go from there.)

Peace

dAlen

Sounds like a wonderful idea. Let's drum up some venture capital and start a computer company to make pro machines that'll pick up where Apple dropped us off Capitalism at work.

 

[bov]

you guys will never be happy....

 

[The Tall One]

All in all, kinda lame

All in all, kinda lame. Hurray for the graphics improvements, and the nice glass touch pad and what have you. But where is the blu ray support? Where is a revolutionary change? I want a battery that is so powerful that it actually generated its own electricity and charges itself. I want the physical size of my screen to be adjustable, so somedays its a 13 inch, somedays its a 17 inch. I want better and louder speakers so that I don't have to use a hearing aid to listen to the internal speakers, I want my computer to automatically endorse the correct presidential candidate when ever it is turned on... is this too much to ask?

 

[noodle654]

Probably the worst update. I was really looking forward to this update, to see where Apple is heading. This is horrible. No FireWire 400?? I still use it everyday. No matte?? Ugly?? I really think this is the worst decision Apple has made. The whole notebook line is ugly now. Looks like I will have to stick with my 2.2GHz MBP for now.

 

[41qser]

I never have a problem using FW400 devices in FW800 ports. Ooh, you need an adapter... WHAT A CRISIS!

Some of you "Pros" need to get over yourselves.

 

[bruno7]

So disappointed...

I AM SO DISAPPOINTED!

I've been waiting for this day to finally replace my 4,5 year old Powerbook G4...

I'm definitely NOT buying this one of these.

Design I don't like at all - what suits iMac does not necessarily suits MacBook, and especially not the 'Pro' one.

Games I don't play - don't need better graphics.

Special gesture I don't care - maybe on my iPhone but here?

Ports I would miss.

Glossy screen I hate!

And the black keyboard even more!!!


Guess I'd better hurry up and get one of those latest MacBook Pros, before they disappear. And I will be keeping that one till Apple comes up with a real MacBook Pro not this hybrid.

Enough said. Very very disappointed indeed.

 

[Drinahn]

I am in the same boat as you.

Apple are seemingly dumping the pro users. Add these "consumerish" mac updates (removal of FW400 ports, glossy screen, dropping standard DVI connector), to the lack of updates in the pro apps and lack of attention to detail... it all stacks up to bye bye pro users.

The problem with having these proprietary connectors is they are exactly just that. You need to carry a plethora of adapters with you, and god forbid you forget one and you need to do a presentation from your laptop to a DVI/VGA based projector.

Very poor.

Which proprietary connectors would those be? None of the connectors are proprietary, they are what is called "new". It happens, you'll survive if you try. [Sorry, that's a bit snarky; but these forums seem to be filled with people whining about pretty small things.]

I agree that the limitation of FW ports to 1 may be a bit irritating. Get a NAS is all I can say. I've no specs off the head on Gigabit NAS, but I'm sure it can't be too far off FW800 in real-world performance.

 

[Chaos123x]

I'd like to know what you video guys are considering as alternate options instead of the MacBook Pro. I'm a graphic designer, I don't do video editing, but I do love my FW 400 connection for target mode and I hate this glossy display nonsense. So what kind of machines are you considering? If they don't change the MacBook Pros in the next year or so, when I'm ready to buy a new one, I'd consider switching to a PC.

hmmm really their are no options, just stick to the old Powerbook or refurb Macbook Pro's or just use the desktop Mac Pro or G5.

As far as going to PC? I would rather just quit my career! Doing video editing on PC sucks! It crashes like every 2-minutes, make a edit, control save, make a change, control S, repeat!

I hope Psystar wins their case now.

 

[UFOGoldorak]

Get glossy with it..

Quit with all the bull about glossy screens. I'm a Pro. I went to glossy, will never go back.

If you are a "Pro" and do "serious pro" crap, then the first thing you do is dim your surrounding lights when you want to get down and dirty, be it a glossy or matt.

If you are outside on a sunny day, you will have more issues from the display not being bright enough then you would with reflection, again glossy or not. Photographers, please get over your pansy self.. I've been around many over the years (good and bad) and they all complain about the brightness, not the reflection. All of them use glossy now with no issue, we all use our "GLOSSY" iphones outside with no issue. Get real. Glossy is here to stay.

Everyone talking about "calibration" and glossy throwing your colors off, you need to get over the fact that you spent all that education money and now some jackass with a calibration system keeps raping you for what you are which is an idiot. You know damn well that nothing will ever match what you put down on paper, better yet the million different video displays.. I bet you are the same folks that get taught that Quark is the all end solution to world hunger. Get real. Glossy is here to stay.

Now, what I am absolutely LIVID about is the lack of a new 17".. now this my friends is something a "PRO" should be complaining about.

 

[Yr Blues]

I love just about everything. If I had a choice, I would buy matte. But this is what I've been waiting for to replace the 12". The Air was too limiting. Yes I'm a graphic designer. But I'm a no fuss, easy going one.

 

[Yr Blues]

Quit with all the bull about glossy screens. I'm a Pro. I went to glossy, will never go back.

If you are a "Pro" and do "serious pro" crap, then the first thing you do is dim your surrounding lights when you want to get down and dirty, be it a glossy or matt.

If you are outside on a sunny day, you will have more issues from the display not being bright enough then you would with reflection, again glossy or not. Photographers, please get over your pansy self.. I've been around many over the years (good and bad) and they all complain about the brightness, not the reflection. All of them use glossy now with no issue, we all use our "GLOSSY" iphones outside with no issue. Get real. Glossy is here to stay.

Everyone talking about "calibration" and glossy throwing your colors off, you need to get over the fact that you spent all that education money and now some jackass with a calibration system keeps raping you for what you are which is an idiot. You know damn well that nothing will ever match what you put down on paper, better yet the million different video displays.. I bet you are the same folks that get taught that Quark is the all end solution to world hunger. Get real. Glossy is here to stay.

Now, what I am absolutely LIVID about is the lack of a new 17".. now this my friends is something a "PRO" should be complaining about.

They said the 17 was getting an update too

 

[ntrigue]

October 14. This is Apple for the next two years. I digress.

I've never experienced this level of negativity on MacRumors.com and I am logging-off until at least Thursday. Perhaps, by that time, we will actually have legitimate opinions from those that have seen/used the new notebooks.

*Every port-related complaint can be addressed with the appropriate adapter. Ethernet to Firewire. IEEE1394 800 to 400. DisplayPort to DVI.
*Every glossy complaint can not be rationalized as NO ONE here has sat in front of these notebooks. I bought my MBA anyway and it doesn't bother me one bit. I use my desktop with 24" IPS for 'work.'
*There has ALWAYS been immediate negative feedback on Apple releases. From the small fraction of the general public that HATE the release a large number of them buy anyway.
*Students, you can't afford the new price-point? You mean even suckling off your governments teet for the last five years. Avert your glance from the MB Pro, it is not yours. The MB was designed with you in mind. Get a job on salary and buy yourself the best.
*Speak with your wallet. If after getting hands-on at Apple you aren't in love then don't buy. The (checkbook) pen is mightier than the sword.
*Please leave EPIC FAIL on your W.o.W. forums. We speak as adults here.

Best Regards,

ntrigue

 

[Ennoea]

Prices?

Does anyone know if the prices may drop on the new MacBook Pro's? I don't want to buy one and then see Apple change the price like they did with the iPhone. You understand what I'm saying. They have a bad habit of doing that. $1999 is pricey even with the student discount at $1899. And even though the MB's were designed with us in mind, I plan on keeping this notebook for a very long time, and would prefer the newest technology.

 

[miguellovesjesu]

checkout the hands on pics

http://www.engadget.com/photos/apple-macbook-aluminum-and-glass-super-shiny-hands-on/1097175/

 

[karlfranz]

So much for the expert opinions.

haha

this is sooo fake. cant you see it??

the left and right sides of the screen are about 5mm different in size and the top edge has an angle on it...

surely apples manufacturing process isnt getting this bad? )

its bull.

there's no way apple would release a pro machine with only gloss screens. not a chance in hell

Not a chance in hell, eh?

There is no way this is real. Apple may be questionable in some aspects of their business, but their product design is always top-notch and almost always universally praised. They would not release one of their top selling products in such an ugly frame as this.

Apple employees are probably reading posts like this and laughing at all the people panicking about these fake images.

No, but I think they may be laughing now.

POINT 1: Look at the bevel on the edge of the lid on the official Apple invitation, and now look at the bevel of the lid in the "closed MBP" photo. These two bevels are completely different.

POINT 2: Look at the ports shown on the "closed MBP" photo. See the distance from the port closest to the front of the machine and the front of the machine.... It is too much space - looks disproportional.

POINT 3: Again with this photo - compare the ports to the photos shown on macrumors.com of just the aluminum frame... There is a picture of the frame on its side... showing the ports. Compare the layout and position and size relativity vs the picture of the "Closed MBP" from today shown on engadget.

Big difference.

Another photoshop expert.

No matter how "convincing" they appear, they are in fact, FAKE! Nice attempt though. Its up to 350 posts already.

I guess they were convincing

Im putting my money down on these pics being fake, it clearly shows about half of the cover and i dont see any evidence of an apple logo which would be breaking a rather long standing tradition.

Time to pay up.

 

[Drinahn]

If you don't care about graphics, why are you buying a pro? Unless you really are after screen size, in which case you're better off buying a little cinema display and a macbook. If you've not upgraded in 4 years then anything you buy from Apple will have better graphics anyway.

Agree on the gestures to be honest. Not much point outside of my iPhone.

Glossy - get over it. Actually I might add that to my sig.

I AM SO DISAPPOINTED!

I've been waiting for this day to finally replace my 4,5 year old Powerbook G4...

I'm definitely NOT buying this one of these.

Design I don't like at all - what suits iMac does not necessarily suits MacBook, and especially not the 'Pro' one.

Games I don't play - don't need better graphics.

Special gesture I don't care - maybe on my iPhone but here?

Ports I would miss.

Glossy screen I hate!

And the black keyboard even more!!!


Guess I'd better hurry up and get one of those latest MacBook Pros, before they disappear. And I will be keeping that one till Apple comes up with a real MacBook Pro not this hybrid.

Enough said. Very very disappointed indeed.

 

[narcotic]

They said the 17 was getting an update too

later... they're working on it

 

[nomar383]

APPLE STOCK:

105.92 -4.34 (-3.94%) Oct 14 3:56pm ET

Something tells me the analysts are reading the Mac Forums...!

BT in NYC

According to my iPhone, it went up like 25% yesterday alone, so they're not doing too bad. The ENTIRE market is down today (not really a surprise)

 

[aaronsullivan]

I used to be skeptical of glossy, but I love it now. If you think the matte screen on a laptop is markedly better for color work, well... weight the difference I guess, but if the color is really important... why are you using your laptop screen matte or glossy.

I'm guessing a lot of this complaining is from ignorance of the glossy screen or anecdotal experiences with the glossiness. I found it distracting for exactly one day. Now I never, EVER notice glare in any condition.

Anyway, there will clearly be no reasoning with many on this thread.

Prices are slightly high all around but the graphics performance on all around is a significant step, FINALLY. That's a big deal, and it's pretty cool that the side effect of OpenCL and all of that is that we are going to be getting respectable GPUs from Apple. Games couldn't push it, but now there is a "serious" excuse for catching up with the video cards.

Can't wait to see how that effects the iMacs (though I'll always rather have a simple tower from Apple.)

The new LED Cinema display setup just... I couldn't believe how it pinpointed me with my current MacBook and monitor setup. I'm now using it like a desktop and also taking it with me daily. That new display with the new MacBooks is just... Apple made it for me, okay? Blame me.

Anyway, I see the new 'books as the beginning of a new long term plan. The process probably has a large built in economy of scale over time, where it will begin to give easier profit margins in the future. Right now we are paying for the novelty of the process.

Can't wait to play with one of these in person as I'm thinking the new trackpad is also directly up my ally. I've almost never been satisfied by trackpad buttons (especially when there is more than one) except for the ole' PowerBook 12". I liked that one.

If I just ignore the $ and the missing firewire on the MacBook, this is an astonishing release.

P.S. A lot of posts popped up while I wrote this. :? Can you really do firewire through gigabit ethernet? That would be sweet. Googling... hmm... google skills have failed me. Anyone have a link on this? Everything is about ethernet over firewire. heh.

 

[PerElofsson]

Give 'em feedback

http://www.apple.com/feedback/macbookpro.html

"Thank you for your feedback on the MacBook Pro."

Wonder if they DO read those messages..

 

[dAlen]

I've never experienced this level of negativity on MacRumors.com and I am logging-off until at least Thursday. Perhaps, by that time, we will actually have legitimate opinions from those that have seen/used the new notebooks.
Best Regards,

ntrigue

I did not see in your list an explanation as to why the 17 inch appears to have kept the same Faulty (yes, faulty) Nvidia cards. (which everyone knew about but apple just owned up to.)

To me that is really the interesting bit...

Peace

dAlen

 

[pointycollars]

I'm not sure if anyone has discussed it yet - but seriously, what's with the two graphics sets in these new MBP's? Seriously? What a waste of time. You're either going to use one or the other the entire time - and I'm guessing it's going to be the "turbo" discrete graphics. Having the 9400M in there is just a waste.

 

[AtariKee]

you guys will never be happy....

I concur.

I've never experienced this level of negativity on MacRumors.com and I am logging-off until at least Thursday. Perhaps, by that time, we will actually have legitimate opinions from those that have seen/used the new notebooks.

I'm with you here.

*Every port-related complaint can be addressed with the appropriate adapter. Ethernet to Firewire. IEEE1394 800 to 400. DisplayPort to DVI.
*Every glossy complaint can not be rationalized as NO ONE here has sat in front of these notebooks. I bought my MBA anyway and it doesn't bother me one bit. I use my desktop with 24" IPS for 'work.'
*There has ALWAYS been immediate negative feedback on Apple releases. From the small fraction of the general public that HATE the release a large number of them buy anyway.
*Students, you can't afford the new price-point? You mean even suckling off your governments teet for the last five years. Avert your glance from the MB Pro, it is not yours. The MB was designed with you in mind. Get a job on salary and buy yourself the best.
*Speak with your wallet. If after getting hands-on at Apple you aren't in love then don't buy. The (checkbook) pen is mightier than the sword.
*Please leave EPIC FAIL on your W.o.W. forums. We speak as adults here.

All good points. See you all next week!

 

[ttk]

My 2004 Sony Vaio looks just like 2008 Apple Macbook!

My 2004 Sony Vaio looks just like 2008 Apple Macbook!

http://flickr.com/photos/voidobjects/2942455030/

 

[bella92108]

This part of the Q&A really struck a chord with me. To summarize from the keynote:

“Will the new MacBook cannibalize MacBook Pro Sales?”
-”No. Pros buy MacBook Pros.”

“Are you going to offer a matte screen?”
-”No. We’ll offset reflection with more brightness - consumers love it.”

OK, so consumers will love their glossy screen on their MacBook. Good for them. But what about the pros who buy the MacBook Pros as answered in the first question? We are not consumers - we are pros! Don’t give pros the things consumers like in your pro products. That’s why you have two product lines in the first place Apple. Terrible.

I am a pro and I LOVE glossy screens. My current Macbook Pro (the 2.6) is Matte and every time I see someone with a glossy version I'm jealous. I guess if I worked outside I'd think the glare sucked... but I'm a pro, I work in an office, lol....