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Apple Announces New MacBook Pros, Updates MacBook Air

kabunaru said:
I am. I do not mind the glossy only displays on the MacBook Pro (Anti-glare film can fix it) and I hardly use the FireWire on the MacBook (Aluminium iMac does the job ;)).
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Hey, wheres your 16:9 SCREENS? HAHA. goddamn, thank god were done listening to that.
 
iVoid said:
In my experience, they are also not as effective at reducing glare as an original matte screen.
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Seems just fine to me:
 

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I may be alone in my sentiments here but I think the new MBP is awesome. I just ordered a new MB as I want something smaller and I don't need the extra GPU, but if I were in the market for a "Pro" model I'd buy one of these in a second.
 
ptjh said:
The new screen is priced at $899 and will be available in November and requires a new MacBook, MacBook Pro or MacBook Air with the Mini DisplayPort connector. More details can be found at http://www.apple.com/displays/

;) Not even funny apple.

Yeah you can get Asus 2.5 quad core extreme

http://uk.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=5&l2=74&l3=763&l4=0&model=2415&modelmenu=2

How can you say apple's doesn't need to cater for the pro market. They bought logic studio!
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or dells that don't look too bad:
http://www1.euro.dell.com/content/p...on-m6400?c=uk&l=en&s=bsd&cs=ukbsdt1&~lt=popup
 
Any word on whether their forthcoming displays will feature a matt option? Probably not. I want 2 firewire ports, that's all. Can I get a splitter/hub and run two fw 400's off a 800 without suffering performance loss?

That dell makes the new mb pro design look like a dream lol. Actually side by side I prefer the more defined look of the new mb pro vs the air styling. Look at the air in between the two new mb/pro models. which looks the most dated, for me its the all silver that looks dated. Having everything in silver and 'space age' was cool about the time of the millennium.

I don't doubt the anti-glare films are as effective. It'd be cool if you couldsend it to a proper lab to make sure it was fitted well and in a dust free environment.
 
DrivinWest said:
I may be alone in my sentiments here but I think the new MBP is awesome. I just ordered a new MB as I want something smaller and I don't need the extra GPU, but if I were in the market for a "Pro" model I'd buy one of these in a second.
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Don't get me wrong - I'm stoked about the new machines.... except the GLARING (no pun intended) mistake of releasing them with gloss-only. And stripping fw out of the MacBooks. If they hadn't done a royal botch-job on those two things, I'd be singing :apple:'s praises right now, but man - what a pair of serious omissions. Alienate your prosumers from your mid-range machines, and alienate your true pros from your high-end machines, and put them both in some uncomfortable purgatory where no machine you sell fits the bill. Good job Apple.
 
vvebsta said:
Apple Feedback is what we all should be doing right now. Apple listens to their feedback. We should be flooding their inbox right now. If any of you remember the Nvidia graphics solution they did with the 8800 card for the late 2008 mac pros. That was due to our whining and petitioning. So they do listen. So get to it people!
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Just put my thoughts in the box as well.
 
Tosser said:
Yes, but your argument was implicitly that the lowest common denominator was the ONLY segment a company should cater to, and that we - as consumers - should be happy about that.

Secondly, yes, we might become a smaller and smaller segment, but if you notice, Apple would STILL like to sell their machines on our backs. The reputation WE made sure they had. Look at the effing name scheme for crying out loud.
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I really don't get this lowest common denominator bit seeing as they're damned expensive products when push comes to shove. What I really don't understand is why they are refusing to recognise that a fair number of people would rather have a matte screen and that getting rid of a second firewire port is a backwards step, made even more incomprehensible by the space saved by the smaller screen connector!
 
Bobthemonkey said:
In the old setup, both FW ports were on the same bus. Anything with a decent enough data-rate to warrant 800 would saturate the bus, so using the 400 at the same time would actually decrease overall efficiency. The pro field is certainly moving towards eSATA for everything but offload from the master in data centric workflows. Hell, I'm even seeing LTO-3A tape drives in flight cases on set more and more!

The lovely AJA IoHD, which connects over firewire is one such device that fully saturates the bus.

Hell, Apple kept the old 17 for the video hardcore, which is something in itself. Actually it did the same with a G4 in the dying days of OS9.
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True. The AJA IO takes over the bus (and I love the AJA IO), but I usually don't use the AJA IO in the field. At least not with most of my clients. I have gotten the firewire from the camera (on the 400), a drive (on the 800), and the old analog AJA on the express bus to work al at once before. It just seems that where we should be getting more workflow options, we are getting less. And eSATA is great, unfortunately for the low budget indie projects sometimes eSATA isn't an option. But hey, that's what the paying clients are for I guess.
 
I'm not buying these new MBPs.....not doing the glossy display thing, and I hate the complete look of the black keyboard.....

I just went and purchased the older model 15" MBP for $850 less than it was just earlier today (from the refurb section...though the last one I purchased from there had never been used. I suspect that these are brand new machines just labeled as refurbs so that Apple does not stagnate the inventory of their dealers -- that still have old stock).

I will wait 2 years before I upgrade.
 
ptjh said:
Any word on whether their forthcoming displays will feature a matt option? Probably not. I want 2 firewire ports, that's all. Can I get a splitter/hub and run two fw 400's off a 800 without suffering performance loss?
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They don't 'split' as such. Firewire is a serial technology kind of like SCSI. You daisy chain them instead i.e MBP connected to Hard Drive connected to camera.

Didn't realise the FW400 and FW800 ports on the 'old' MBPs were only one bus. Perhaps losing a port is less of a big deal than I thought.
 
Timichango said:
Alienate your prosumers from your mid-range machines, and alienate your true pros from your high-end machines, and put them both in some uncomfortable purgatory where no machine you sell fits the bill. Good job Apple.
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I just don't see that happening. For those who are really hard up on the glossy thing, I'm sure there will be tons of aftermarket products that will be laser cut, fit perfect, and look OEM. It might not be as elegant as having the option from the factory, but it'll work and you'll still have a Macbook Pro.

I think the lack of FW on the MB is a bigger deal (as mentioned, I just bought a new MB) but still not a huge one. Two things will happen: Mac users who need FW will go for the Pro line OR people people will buy cheaper laptops with FW.

Macs don't compete in the value market anyway - they never have. More people who used to buy MacBooks will now buy Pros - probably enough to make up for lost sales from those who buy PCs instead.
 
Apple seems to be trying hard to loose their pro users. I was kind of hoping for a 17" MBP with Blu-Ray (at least as a custom option) but never thought they would drop FW400 and settle for single FW800. You can just forget connecting any cam since the adapters are very unreliable. So you need to buy FW card on top of all the display adapters (Dual Link, DVI, VGA). FCP hates cams that are connected to FW cards and AVID gets supper cranky. Then there is the "no-matte" display issue... I know matte display doesn't make a MBP a grading station but at least you won't be forced to look at over saturated super high contrast glossy image...

Ps. If you chain cam and HD in same FW400 port you probably end up with 100Mbps bus speed since most of the cams have 100Mbps connection even though they have FW400 port. FW400 and FW800 never shared the same bus.

Pps. I'm really missing the days when Apple manufactured pro systems for media industry.
 
milo said:
So is anyone offering quad core laptops yet?

Do the high end models announced today have the fastest chips available from intel?
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Yes. All the PC manufactures have much faster mobile quad core available.

No, they don't have the fastest cpu. Not the fastest video card. Not Blu-ray. Not high rez 15" screens. Not HDMI. Not multiple hard drives................etc.

Now that Apple has decided not to produce a pro laptop, I'll be getting one of these.

http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=us&cs=555&l=en&oc=MLB1307&s=biz
 
Timichango said:
If I was fickle, I wouldn't be sitting around griping on a Mac board about how the new models have cannibalized their own usefulness in exchange for a lot of 'ooOoOoOoh... ShiIIiiiny....'

My needs involve OS X, which means I can't move on to another hardware vendor, and would prefer not to - I rather hope that they DO fix the problems so I can give them my money.

You do realize that companies design products for the end user, right? I think we ultimately get a say in what those products are via our pocketbooks. I don't hope that Apple fails at all - to the contrary, I hope that decreased sales on the new models acts as a wakeup call that helps them improve their products so that they can ultimately succeed in meeting the needs of their users (which translates into continued financial success on the other end).
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Right but most sane consumers don't go around wishing that companies see a decrease in sales. Wanting to see their sales suffer is the same as saying you'll liked to see them fail. And it is selfish to wish that a company fails. People always spew this same old crap after Apple updates their products but yet their sales go up, they must know something you don't know.
 
DrivinWest said:
I just don't see that happening. For those who are really hard up on the glossy thing, I'm sure there will be tons of aftermarket products that will be laser cut, fit perfect, and look OEM. It might not be as elegant as having the option from the factory, but it'll work and you'll still have a Macbook Pro.

I think the lack of FW on the MB is a bigger deal (as mentioned, I just bought a new MB) but still not a huge one. Two things will happen: Mac users who need FW will go for the Pro line OR people people will buy cheaper laptops with FW.

Macs don't compete in the value market anyway - they never have. More people who used to buy MacBooks will now buy Pros - probably enough to make up for lost sales from those who buy PCs instead.
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I agree entirely with FW being the bigger of the two issues - after seeing the lack of a matte display on the Pro, I turned around and almost bought a MacBook, only to get stopped dead in my tracks by the omission of FW entirely. Unfortunately my profession is design, and my hobby is recording, so they've managed to seriously screw up my options.

I'll be buying a MB Pro out of sheer necessity in the next week or so, but it will be with the taste of poop in my mouth instead of strawberries - which is pretty frustrating when you're dropping more than $3k after tax and Applecare.

For that kind of money it should come with an armada of giggling strippers and a hot-tub. Instead I'm getting a black-clad dominatrix that won't give me any satisfaction; she'll get the job done, but man - it's gonna hurt.
 
Add my name to the "Mad about no FW400" list

I don't care what people say about USB 2, Firewire has always been a faster and more secure connection for storage.

It's hard enough to find external hard drives with FW400 - finding a good one with 800 is nearly impossible. Most manufacturers figure if you want a faster interface, you'd rather just have eSata.

Oh, and there's the whole thing about DV cameras...

Apple better make some serious changes to the MBPs soon, or they're going to start loosing their most dedicated users.
 
Here's what I found out about the 2.0 Ghz MacBook supposedly having a backlit keyboard.
 

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