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expensive

SOO expensive for the pro and the macbook.... i live in Australia and the pricing for the pro is like $3200- that's like a $600 increase from the old models

i think i might wait out until Snow Leopard comes out as well as the quad core for the laptop

BUT again soo expensive i will probably hold out until the prices start to drop

the laptop itself look pretty cool then again i'm ify about the glossy screen- never had one before... though seen my friends with it and it look very annoying

at least they manage to improve battery life on these laptops- finally did something right
 
It's the price increase that upsets me the most. In NZ we are now paying 20% more money for a machine which is inferior to the old one.

So, do you gentlemen think that Apple screwed themselves with these strange but still good in some areas updates?
 
I'm considering moving from Windows to a MAC, due to multiple issues that have caused me to rebuild 6 times this year. Rebuild means start at the base OS reinstalled, reinstall all app's and restore data. The last time my OS died was minutes before I was supposed to lead an all day meeting for 30 people.

For all of the people talking about moving to Windows, good luck. I think all of the chest pumping is similar to people stating they will move to country x if person Y is elected to lead their country. yawn

I also think the term pro is interesting - I'm a professional that relies upon a computer for my income, but I don't edit video or pictures. Can I consider myself a pro :)


If you folks want something to really complain about, switch to Vista.
 
How the hell are you defining 'high-end'? I've worked in a number of post environments that were producing HD television content, and Macs/Final Cut have been pretty much de-facto.

De facto what? Movie & TV industry is still based on Avid as far as I know - el cheapo little places and rent-by-the-hour stables standardize on FCP.
Let me guess: small post firms, mostly about editing, right? Not much high-end compositing or finishing or any fx work, right? (I don't mention animation and 3D because OS X is out of question for those type of activities, hah.)

BTW "producing HD content" is nothing high-end in 2008, sorry.

I don't know about film studios, but for TV work, they're ubiquitous.

They are ever-present, yes but so far they are still rather low-key editing-only IMO.

And don't try to tell me that the TV production industry is smaller than film... I've already laughed too many sad sad laughs today...

Don't even try to tell me you worked for a TV studio and you guys were Mac-based - that's not a even a joke, quite frankly.

PS: see my earlier post about complete lack of MAc/OS X in the high-end.
 
In response to all the people saying 'if you don't like the glossy screen then get an anti-glare coating' etc, I would like to point out that there is no coating other than a standard matte screen to eliminate the fact that glossy screens produce FAKE colours. They are oversaturated. This is a MASSIVE blow to any graphic designers, photographers or any creative minded professional. mainly due to the fact that what you see simply ISN'T what you get.

As I see it, apple have suddenly lost the customers that they were once most recognised for due to this.

They will change it somehow one way or the other in the future. Probably when they notice sales drop
 
Old FW400 & FW800 = New FW800

Hi "pros",

for all you complaining about the problems chaining both FW400 and FW800 devices in the new-unique FW800, please, calm down. It's exactly the same than the double FW400/FW800 old ports (they were chained internally).

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1721482&tstart=90

So, the only way to get separated throughput was (and is) to use another FW controller (ExpressCard). Else you have been and will continue chaining devices.

About the glossy-only option, well I'm a pro, but not a "visual" one, so my previous MBP was glossy and the new one will be glossy too, for sure. Also, I doubt any notebook screen (glossy or matte) is good enough for "visual" pros. Especially with the big, cheap and gorgeous screens out there. I'd buy one if I was a "visual" pro.

Peace! :eek:
 
Very diassappointing.

We've been waiting for this refresh for a long time so expectations were high. There are no new technologies here in these MacBook/MacBook Pros, just incremental increases in speed and vendor changes.

Steve and his VPs spent way too much time detailing the uni-body crap. I don't care how the inside looks and this technology of making a lighter and stiffer frame with fewer parts, etc. was already employed on the MB Air so we've come to expect this. This is of more importance and a cost savings internally to Apple. This segment of the Keynote almost put me to sleep.

As for the glossy screens, I don't like them. It's probably cheaper to manufacture a glossy screen, so that is why they are standard.

The elimination of FW on the MacBook is stupid. Even if it is marketing to differentiate from the Pro line, they will alienate too many people this way. Very poor choice of items to use for differentiation.

They only kept around the old MacBook because they needed a lead-in with a low price to justify an over-all real price increase to the new ones. While prices for PCs come down while getting better, Macs are now going up in price. And what about those students, who now have their discounts cut in half? Another stupid move for tough economic times. Once the white MacBook line is discontinued, we'll be left with a higher entry level price. I expect a very slow holiday season for these notebooks at these prices.

I'll be passing on an Apple notebook now.
 
The thing is some people don't like glossy. Thats it.

Would non smokers be expected to smoke if it didn't taste like smoke?
That's not the point. I just wanted to say glossy doesn't mean it has to be shiny. I prefer a glossy but non-reflective surface over a matte display with tiny pocks. Apple's matte screen are too dim for outdoor anyway.
 
I just can't get over how identical the newest MacBook Pros and MacBooks look. Aesthetically, I bet there are going to be a ton (but not all, obviously) of MBP owners migrating to the new MB instead of staying with the Pro. It seems like there's becoming a smaller and smaller marketing differentiation between the two.

As a MBP/MB/PB owner:
EXTREMELY impressed aesthetically with the new MB. Extremely disappointed aesthetically with the MBP... there was so much potential.
 
I'm considering moving from Windows to a MAC, due to multiple issues that have caused me to rebuild 6 times this year. Rebuild means start at the base OS reinstalled, reinstall all app's and restore data. The last time my OS died was minutes before I was supposed to lead an all day meeting for 30 people.

I oversee 100+ network of high-end 3D and compositing and graphical WS, dozen or so physical servers, two dozen virtual ones, also have a webteam with countless development, testing etc LAMP setups but I never seen an "OS die" - elaborate please.

The 6 reinstallation in a year suggests it's A) you are trying to save money on hiring someone to do things professionally because you obviously have little or no clue what are you doing or B) you suffer from some never-heard hw failure rate which, again, points to A)...

For all of the people talking about moving to Windows, good luck. I think all of the chest pumping is similar to people stating they will move to country x if person Y is elected to lead their country. yawn

I also think the term pro is interesting - I'm a professional that relies upon a computer for my income, but I don't edit video or pictures. Can I consider myself a pro :)

I am sorry but what type of "professional that relies upon a computer for my income" you can be without a regular backup, let alone who doesn't even have a backup plan minutes before he has to present something to 30 people (e.g. a ghosted image to restore, in less than 30 mins)?

If you folks want something to really complain about, switch to Vista.

I hate Vista, I agree and really like OS X - however there are many very annoying things in OS X as well.
If Windows then stick with XP - you can still get XP x64 if you need to use 32GB RAM like we do... :cool:
 
Someone tell me what to do!
I just got a white macbook 2.4 ghz last week
I can return it for $50 and get the 2.0 ghz base model.
Is it worth it?
Will it be slower?
How do the bus speeds compare and how is 2.0 faster than 2.4 given the faster bus. I don't get it.
 
Editing and motion graphics, no effects, all for broadcast. TV studio with 40+ Mac Pro workstations connecting to a bigass XSan rig.

But from your response I can discern two things:

  1. apple shouldn't care about the revenue associated with smaller post shops because, well, they're not high-end, and Avid's not their direct competitor.
  2. Riiiiight.


De facto what? Movie & TV industry is still based on Avid as far as I know - el cheapo little places and rent-by-the-hour stables standardize on FCP.
Let me guess: small post firms, mostly about editing, right? Not much high-end compositing or finishing or any fx work, right? (I don't mention animation and 3D because OS X is out of question for those type of activities, hah.)

BTW "producing HD content" is nothing high-end in 2008, sorry.



They are ever-present, yes but so far they are still rather low-key editing-only IMO.



Don't even try to tell me you worked for a TV studio and you guys were Mac-based - that's not a even a joke, quite frankly.
 
I must admit that, like many of you, my initial reaction was one of dismay - I am not especially fond of glossy screens, indeed, I sometimes find the glare from my matte display too much!

However, I think a little perspective is needed here. What is really important about this update is that it is a triumph of compatibility and standardisation for the Mac.

Firstly, the Firewire issue: I understand that many of you have legacy devices and are committed to Firewire. It is natural that you would be upset about the diminishing support for it. However, what you need to realise is that it is a dying standard. Its adoption outside of Macs is minimal, and, speaking as a long time fan, recent switcher (my first Mac was - and is - an Early 2008 MacBook Pro) I personally would have preferred two more USB ports where the FW400 & 800 ports are. I use a number of USB devices, and needing to switch them constantly is an annoyance. I am pretty sure, however, that I'll live. (At least until my Thanko USB Dialysis, Respirator and Pacemakers arrive - then I'll be faced with a difficult choice). For those of you lamenting the lack of a FW400 port, however, you should note that the FW800 port is backwards-compatible - all you need is an adaptor. Is that a perfect solution? Maybe not, but FW400 has been outdated for 5 Years (FW800 was introduced in 2003). Perhaps you would like to complain about the lack of connectors for your ADB mouse, as well? Space on laptops is quite limited, and it is hardly fair that you are bemoaning the lack of what is quite definitely a legacy port.

Secondly, on the issue of the DisplayPort: Again, I can understand your being miffed at the idea of needing yet another adaptor to plug in your display. Again, I am glad to have a DVI port that plugs into my 24" Dell LCD just fine, however, once again, this is a triumph for standardisation. Whereas Mini-DVI was a proprietary connector developed by Apple, DisplayPort (and Mini DisplayPort) are industry standard connectors put forward by VESA. New monitors are already coming out with these connectors, and over the next few years you will see them replacing DVI. So whilst you may bemoan paying the $90 for the Apple adaptor, you should see third-party options appearing at considerably lower prices in the not-to-distant future. But, more importantly, you will be able to hook up your new MacBooks to new displays with no adaptor at all - and that is a first (and an improvement!). And whilst Apple can't claim to be the first to market with a laptop bearing DisplayPort, they are ahead of the market at large. Isn't that a good thing? I thought mac users liked being at the cutting edge?

As to the trackpads, I think the larger surface area whilst still managing physical clicking is great - because while I love tap-to-click, I am less whelmed by tap-to-drag. The hands-on impression I read from Engadget suggested that it didn't take any adjustment at all. Also, by not having the gap around the button that exists on the current MacBook Pro, they've reduced the entry points for dust and grit into the machine. (But perhaps that's just me being obsessive)

Finally, the glossy displays: now on this one, really, I have to agree. I hate glossy displays. As to the concerns of it breaking, however, I assume that it is the same high-strength glass that they use on the iPhone, which, as far as I am aware, is pretty resistant to being dropped and scratched. As to the glare, yes, I think it is pretty awful, and I do hope that by the time I upgrade in 2-3 years, they will have developed some sort of matte option somehow. If not however, I hope (and I would be really surprised if this is not the case) that someone will have developed a matte display cover that you simply stick on top, like the screen protectors you can get for the iPhone right now. Perfect? Perhaps not. Good enough? Certainly.

Finally, let's not overlook the enhancements you got today - lighter laptops, easier access to the hard-drive, improved graphics performance, whilst at the same time, improved battery life (With the switching integrated-discrete GPUs) and a better case design. (Though I admit I'm not sure about the black keys). After all the years of people bemoaning the outdated design of the MacBook Pro, and the latch - why is there not more jubilation?

Chin up; I promise, it'll be OK. This isn't the end of the world - that's not 'til December 21, 2012.
 
Ha ha, well I'm sure they're cool, and I'll probably want one when I see them, but I'm typing this on a 3 week old MacBook Pro, and I don't regret not waiting one little bit even though I was tempted to do so.
 
It's the price increase that upsets me the most. In NZ we are now paying 20% more money for a machine which is inferior to the old one.
Be upset at your currency but not Apple. Apple waiting for new models to adjust prices - that's how they've been doing it as long as I can remember.
 
the whole touch pad clicks guys it is a giant button watch the video its actually kinda cool how it clicks
 
I had an aluminum iMac for 6 months and I loved the glossy screen on it. I sold it to pay for this MBP as I needed portability. There is a slight dent in the casing of this MBP so the person who's been dealing with my case at Apple has agreed to replace it with one of the new models. I will be visiting the Apple Store tomorrow to try the new MB and MBP's out then make a decision, however, I know I will love it and can't wait to receive the new MBP. :p
 
So nice covers but crap on inside. I wouldn't mind if Apple had custom setups that would actually make MacBook Pro a worthy of the "Pro" tag. Instead of giving us kick ass high end workstation laptops they just end up offering consumer crap tops. Pro's need a new platform since Apple isn't doing it anymore. The consumer oriented Apple iCrap way is making me sick...
 
So nice covers but crap on inside. I wouldn't mind if Apple had custom setups that would actually make MacBook Pro a worthy of the "Pro" tag. Instead of giving us kick ass high end workstation laptops they just end up offering consumer crap tops. Pro's need a new platform since Apple isn't doing it anymore. The consumer oriented Apple iCrap way is making me sick...

agreed, apple dosen't care for the professionals anymore. They have found more money in the consumers
 
Firstly, the Firewire issue: I understand that many of you have legacy devices and are committed to Firewire. It is natural that you would be upset about the diminishing support for it. However, what you need to realise is that it is a dying standard. Its adoption outside of Macs is minimal

Please tell me what the magical new standard is going to be for Pro Audio/Video, where USB has failed to deliver adequate sustained throughput? The dominance of FW products in the Pro/Prosumer A/V market is no accident - it's certainly not due to the successful marketing of Firewire. It's due to a little thing called performance.
 
I'll refer you to:

Thanks, I kind of figured this though. I didn't realize it was such an issue.

I was very underwhelmed by today's release, but I'll most likely be getting one of the new MBPs as I need a laptop for college and my first gen iMac G5 is slowly dieing :( We'll see what happens when I go see them in person tomorrow though.
 
I agree entirely with FW being the bigger of the two issues - after seeing the lack of a matte display on the Pro, I turned around and almost bought a MacBook, only to get stopped dead in my tracks by the omission of FW entirely. Unfortunately my profession is design, and my hobby is recording, so they've managed to seriously screw up my options.

I'll be buying a MB Pro out of sheer necessity in the next week or so, but it will be with the taste of poop in my mouth instead of strawberries - which is pretty frustrating when you're dropping more than $3k after tax and Applecare.

For that kind of money it should come with an armada of giggling strippers and a hot-tub. Instead I'm getting a black-clad dominatrix that won't give me any satisfaction; she'll get the job done, but man - it's gonna hurt.

Why? Due what's wrong with just buying the older model (as of today), for $1349 & $1499 for the 2.4 and 2.5 15" MBPs?
 
I was waiting for the prices to at least stay the same so that I can return to OSX since I was low on cash when I bought my HP. Well it's going to be 3 years this December and the only thing wrong is the wifi adapter which I now have to use an external adapter. Looks like I'll be getting another HP for $600 like this one which is half of the real Macbook. Sorry Apple I guess you can try again in another 3 years.
 
The video port. If Apple wants corporate users, they need to give us just a plain old DVI port. If i walk into the board room tomorrow or a stakeholder meeting, the wiring harness in the middle of that long cherry table or the cable from the Epson machine set up at the hotel meeting room are not going to have this little video port-type connector. They'll likely have a VGA connector (no worries - a common adapter will do the trick) but they may have a DVI option.
You better bring your VGA adapter with you - that's how it has always been. Sure, a few devices may have DVI (and maybe increasingly so), but chances are you'll be lost without VGA anyway.

It's either "VGA port" or "bring your adapter anyway", to play safe.
So I can't really see your point about the DVI.

For instance, AFAIK ThinkPads still come with VGA only .
 
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