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Apple Announces New MacBook Pros, Updates MacBook Air

jazzgear said:
Why? Due what's wrong with just buying the older model (as of today), for $1349 & $1499 for the 2.4 and 2.5 15" MBPs?
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HOLY CRAP why do I need to keep answering this question?

Every MacBook Pro shipped in the last year had an nVidia 8600.

Every nVidia 8600 shipped EVER was made with defective materials.

They fail a lot - apple, dell, and hp have all admitted this. That's why.

The one thing I need more than matte, is "doesn't blow up"
 
Timichango said:
I hate to break it to you, but by all accounts, every single one shared the same defective material, so it's a matter of luck and/or time.

I'm certainly not rolling the dice on that one, given the odds.
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oh dear.
so if I get this replaced....it's going to be 100% okay?
 
so you now have the MBP's w/ DDR3.. GREAT!


Now what about the Mac Pro's? When will they update the ram for those too. I'm really getting tired of this dictatorship-like company. Where are the options? Why can't they just upgrade everything across the board?

Seems to me like they were just rushing to put something out there before the end of the year just to say "hey, we did something". I'm really shaking my head at apple these days. Good thing i'm a patient person.
 
Timichango said:
Editing and motion graphics, no effects, all for broadcast.
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Just as I expected: editing, with some low-key motion graphics. :) See my earlier post about it. :)

TV studio with 40+ Mac Pro workstations connecting to a bigass XSan rig.
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What "bigass" stands for? AFAIK in this industry a SAN has to be first and foremost fast, not big... I've got up to 1.5GB/s, how about your Xsan thingy? ;)

BTW what broadcast system program software runs on your Mac Pros?

But from your response I can discern three things:

  1. your wang is bigger than mine
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  1. It wasn't even a question after you claimed FCP is a 'de facto' (standard?) in post... :p :D

    [*]apple shouldn't care about the revenue associated with smaller post shops because, well, they're not high-end, and Avid's not their direct competitor.
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    ?
    I'm, afraid I'm not following you... when I say neither Apple PCs nor FCP or any other Apple sw is high-end then how does it become 'they shouldn't care' in your ears? :confused:

    [*]Riiiiight.
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Ummm, yeah, suuure... whatever.
 
Whats the difference between the 1599 macbook and the 1999 macbook pro... just a firewire and two inches of screen?
 
Dreamer2go said:
oh dear.
so if I get this replaced....it's going to be 100% okay?
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I'm assuming you're asking if your previous generation MBP's gpu fails, and they replace it under warranty, will the new one also have the increased potential for failure?

Unless they decide to replace your logic board with something newer with a newer GPU, then yes it will be just as likely to fail again.
 
Apple Updates Mac-Bomb Portables

This update is in essence a bomb (in a negative sense) or the bomb (if you are part of the YouTube generation), depending on who you are.

Pros:
Hybrid SLI
--but I would like to know if there is a manual way to switch between the integrated and dedicated graphics and if the graphics can be used in an SLI configuration.
DDR3 RAM
--Conserves power (only 1.5V vs. DDR2 1.8V)
Mini-DisplayPort
--Most versatile and forward-looking video-output.
Screen
--All laptops now sport LED screens.


Cons
DDR3 RAM
--The price for this RAM is incredibly high. DDR2 800 is $40 for 4GB. Currently, DDR3 10066 RAM is $120 unmatched, no dual-channel; $170 matched, dual-channel configuration. OUCH! Apple actually seems reasonable here ($150).
--Faster FSB offset by increase in latency.
Mini-DisplayPort
--More adapters to buy. Apple could have included at least a mini-displayport to DVI/dual link DVI for the MBP.
--Still need mini-DisplayPort to DisplayPort cable for other DisplayPort capable monitors.
FireWire
--No FW for MB; Need adapter for FW400 for MBP. Again, another adapter to carry. Most external/portable HDDs include FW400 with USB or E-SATA. FW800 is almost always included only if FW400 is included.
Screen
--Only glassy/glossy screen options; no matte option.


Where is the line between the MB and MBP?
--If you want FW without an Ethernet to FW adapter, you must buy a MBP.
--If you want E-SATA, you must buy a MBP and an ExpressCard.
--If you want Hybrid SLI/dedicated graphics, you must buy a MBP.
--If you want a screen larger than 13.3", you must buy a MBP.
--Are all screens IPS-based or have the MBP screens been downgraded to TNs like the former MBs?
 
TBH I don't really see what's the whining about the removal of FW on the MB - can you tell me anything that's FW-only (no USB version available.)
 
PCMacUser said:
No FireWire 400 standard. No e-SATA. No Blu-Ray. No matte screen.

NZ$600 (US$275) increase in price for the MBP!!!

Apple will lose its footing in New Zealand (which was not strong to begin with).

Even the old white Macbook has gone up in price, without a change in specification. The new ones have gone up significantly (NZ$500).
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I laughed when I saw the apple NZ price list...

the recent downward swing of the NZ dollar has a bit to do with, but the relative costs are still high compared to the USA.
 
Lame Part

The graphics switch (9400M to 9600 or vice versa) requires logging out and logging back in - which falls in teh lame category as Vista on Sony Vaio can do it with just a button flip.

Coming to think of it - really doesn't sound that inconvenient for people who are not going to switch between playing games while on AC and working on documents when on battery - not many people do that kind of a thing.

But still, technically it is lame to require a logout.
 
CPUs

Sorry to quote my own post, but I wonder if anyone knows which 2.53GHz processor Apple is using - the 25W or 35W variety, though I am betting on the latter because it would be cheaper.

Thus an additional con:
Apple chose to use the same 2.4GHz/3MB L2 cache processor in the MB and MBP. Apple chose not to distinguish between the two by using a better 2.4 GHz/6MB L2 cache CPU in the MBP. The former was projected to cost $241 per thousand; the latter $316. Both consume 25W and use a 1066 MHz FSB.

Val-kyrie said:
This update is in essence a bomb (in a negative sense) or the bomb (if you are part of the YouTube generation), depending on who you are.

Pros:
Hybrid SLI
--but I would like to know if there is a manual way to switch between the integrated and dedicated graphics and if the graphics can be used in an SLI configuration.
DDR3 RAM
--Conserves power (only 1.5V vs. DDR2 1.8V)
Mini-DisplayPort
--Most versatile and forward-looking video-output.
Screen
--All laptops now sport LED screens.


Cons
DDR3 RAM
--The price for this RAM is incredibly high. DDR2 800 is $40 for 4GB. Currently, DDR3 10066 RAM is $120 unmatched, no dual-channel; $170 matched, dual-channel configuration. OUCH! Apple actually seems reasonable here ($150).
--Faster FSB offset by increase in latency.
Mini-DisplayPort
--More adapters to buy. Apple could have included at least a mini-displayport to DVI/dual link DVI for the MBP.
--Still need mini-DisplayPort to DisplayPort cable for other DisplayPort capable monitors.
FireWire
--No FW for MB; Need adapter for FW400 for MBP. Again, another adapter to carry. Most external/portable HDDs include FW400 with USB or E-SATA. FW800 is almost always included only if FW400 is included.
Screen
--Only glassy/glossy screen options; no matte option.


Where is the line between the MB and MBP?
--If you want FW without an Ethernet to FW adapter, you must buy a MBP.
--If you want E-SATA, you must buy a MBP and an ExpressCard.
--If you want Hybrid SLI/dedicated graphics, you must buy a MBP.
--If you want a screen larger than 13.3", you must buy a MBP.
--Are all screens IPS-based or have the MBP screens been downgraded to TNs like the former MBs?
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kamm said:
TBH I don't really see what's the whining about the removal of FW on the MB - can you tell me anything that's FW-only (no USB version available.)
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A whole pile of recording interfaces that people already own, and the vast majority of audio-interfaces that are currently worthwhile buying for the forseeable future. There's an increasing amount of music being produced on laptops, and Apple themselves have been pushing this through both their consumer and pro implementations of Logic.

USB audio interfaces are still way behind FW in terms of reliability, and variety.
 
i said:
I must admit that, like many of you, my initial reaction was one of dismay - I am not especially fond of glossy screens, indeed, I sometimes find the glare from my matte display too much!

However, I think a little perspective is needed here. What is really important about this update is that it is a triumph of compatibility and standardisation for the Mac.

Firstly, the Firewire issue: I understand that many of you have legacy devices and are committed to Firewire. It is natural that you would be upset about the diminishing support for it. <snip>

Chin up; I promise, it'll be OK. This isn't the end of the world - that's not 'til December 21, 2012.
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I agree with many of your points.

The use of the industry standard Display port is something I totally welcome. It means that getting something that converts it to HDMI, Component, VGA, S-Video etc.. can be purchased by many vendors, and provide functionality outside of what Apple had on outgoing macbook models. Granted the MBP had a universally ratified port, the regular MB didn't and you were sometimes forced to pay Apple's prices to get simple functionality.

As some have stated (as well as you), there will likely be a market for Matte screen covers that can easily bee applied (someone needs to put time into an easy application system), and provide the anti glare surface that will be highly desirable. The only issue that I see with them is the cost. I doubt anyone will make one for less than $40, as the iPod / iPhone versions are already $14 (absurd price for the type of plastic, and size of the protectors).

I could care less about many of the items other people are complaining about, And am Really excited to see what Snow Leopard will feel like on the new MBP when they add the GPU processing support. It appears to be a good solid system, with some good processing power.

The only thing that seriously pauses me from buying one, is the lack of the Core 2 Extreme processors, and eSATA options. I agree that the MBP is a great system (even if the Professionals they are after now appear to be Marketing / Business as opposed to Photo / Video / graphics professionals), and am still considering one despite the letdowns. Me moving to Lenovo is still an option, however I would also have to replace lots of Mac software I currently use :( .

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Timichango said:
Please tell me what the magical new standard is going to be for Pro Audio/Video, where USB has failed to deliver adequate sustained throughput? The dominance of FW products in the Pro/Prosumer A/V market is no accident - it's certainly not due to the successful marketing of Firewire. It's due to a little thing called performance.
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USB 3.0 will offer 4.8GB/s - 1.5x faster than the upcoming FW3200.
 
cycomiko said:
I laughed when I saw the apple NZ price list...

the recent downward swing of the NZ dollar has a bit to do with, but the relative costs are still high compared to the USA.
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Yeah... it's painful. We earn a lot less than people in the USA do, and yet the cost of Apples is so much higher. When you do the income vs MBP price analysis we're probably paying TWICE as much as the US. (I'm not sure, just guessing this bit).

Therefore, it's either the mortgage or the MBP. Hmmm.
 
I think it's obvious that Apple is moving more towards consumers and further away from the "pro" demographic. However, I'm not sure why so many are upset with the newest update.

For one, they didn't eliminate the matte screen completely. Anyone can still go to the Apple store and purchase a 17" MBP with a matte screen and slightly updated internals. And, they didn't replace the entire CD line with glossy. All three original matte options are still there.

Personally, I prefer matte screens too. However, I also have a matte external display at home to do my serious video and photo editing (I work at an ABC-affiliate station and produce 5 HD video segments each week, so color accuracy is very important for me...). And, I'm happy with the new 9600 card.

While I think that Apple should not alienate the "pro" crowd, don't forget that the actual demographic is very small. How many people who own MBPs would actually be able to tell the color difference between matte and glossy? While many consider themselves "pro," a much fewer number of those people are actually using the computer for professional quality work. I have a feeling that a lot of the people purchasing MBPs are using them for note-taking in class and for playing the occasional game.

I can see designers and video professionals upset about the switch in screens, but I have a feeling that a lot of the people sounding off on these forums do not use the MBP for "pro" work. They just hear someone legitimately complain and they take on the argument for themselves.

Do I think that Apple is making a mistake by alienating the demographic that jump-started the company and propelled it into mainstream success? Yes. But, at least they didn't completely remove the matte option from the MBP table.

The way I see it, if you're in the market for a new MBP and you don't like the new glossy screen, either buy the 17" glossy or purchase a new external display.

I can see the FW being a huge problem, but I guess we're going to have to work around it.
 
No 17inch redesign? Why?

Ok, let me add I too am underwhelmed. (Credit card goes back into wallet)

But I think the most interesting is the decision not to redesign the 17 inch, but keep it on the market with refreshed internals. Conspiracy theorists unite.

WHY?
 
i said:
USB 3.0 will offer 4.8GB/s - 1.5x faster than the upcoming FW3200.
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USB 2.0 is currently faster than FW400 on paper, but there's a darned good reason that most of the audio interfaces produced in the last 7 years have been designed for FW instead - USB never lived up to it, and has a way higher incidence of dropped signals, clicking, popping, buffer underruns, and a host of other issues that royally screw up real-time audio recording and low-latency multitracking with virtual instruments and signal processing.
 
captnfun said:
Ok, let me add I too am underwhelmed. (Credit card goes back into wallet)

But I think the most interesting is the decision not to redesign the 17 inch, but keep it on the market with refreshed internals. Conspiracy theorists unite.

WHY?
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I heard they were having problems with making the new 17" MacBook Pro.
 
parapup said:
The graphics switch (9400M to 9600 or vice versa) requires logging out and logging back in - which falls in teh lame category as Vista on Sony Vaio can do it with just a button flip.

Coming to think of it - really doesn't sound that inconvenient for people who are not going to switch between playing games while on AC and working on documents when on battery - not many people do that kind of a thing.

But still, technically it is lame to require a logout.
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You really have to logout on a Mac? Haha :)
 
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