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Might sound weird but I still wish these had a USB-A port. Apple realises people use them on the Mac Mini/Studio. But the portable Pro would be even more useful, otherwise we still need to carry dongles...
I hate the USB-A ports on the Studio. Everyone wants everything to move to USB-C so they need less cables and adapters and the old ports aren't very useful. Add that to the fact that it's really hard to find a TB or USB dock or hub that breaks out to more USB-C ports (they all seem to think we want more A ports too...).

I also find the SD card to be a waste of space.
 
Watch Rene Ritchie shilling for Apple when Max Tech will do his testing with the M2 Max 14" MacBook Pro. And MacRumors will defend the thermal throttling on the M2 Max 14" MBP that it is being used wrong.
Just as Maxtech overplayed the throttling on the M2 acting like it should be tuned for power users .
 
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There is little Pro about the Mac now. I am seriously confused what market they are trying to reach anymore. You start looking at GPU benchmarks and the M2 is seriously underpowered. I don't care about power consumption. When you are paying top dollar, you want top performance. Why would anyone doing professional graphics work look at Apple anymore. There is such a huge divide in performance for dollar. They painted themselves in a corner with this entire shared memory concept. How do you even branch to an eGPU with their SoC architecture? perhaps this is why the Mac Pro is taking so long. they invented some other new chip? I don't know.. but for my money.. I am not buying a Mac any time soon.
You have a very narrow definition of Pro. I'm sure that there are some professionals out there who need massive GPUs and there are some who don't care if their laptops only get an hour on battery and are slower while doing it. I would expect most of those people to buy desktop machines. If the Apple desktops don't meet their needs, then get a Dell. The rest of us professionals are well served by the power and efficiency of Apple's laptops.
 
Did I say I need it, though? Asking for scenarios where this gigantic amount of memory is a clear advantage. Video editing? Diffusion models?
Your original question was appropriate, just a bit mis-asked.

We buy MBPs for a typical 3-6 year life that starts the day it arrives. So thinking regarding the hardware competence of an MBP ordered today should be about 2/2023 to 2/2029 usages and apps, not about what was done in 2022.

As buyers it behooves us to think about where things are going, not where they were. Looking at Apple's RAM trends over the last couple of years it is clear that Apple expects OS/apps to be benefitting from additional RAM in that relevant 2023/2029 time frame.

In answer to your original question, folks doing heavy images work specifically benefit from large amounts of RAM. Both still and video image file sizes have been growing for years; and the ability to manipulate still/video images has been and will continue to demand stronger hardware competence, including RAM in that relevant 2023/2029 time frame.
 
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I hate the USB-A ports on the Studio. Everyone wants everything to move to USB-C so they need less cables and adapters and the old ports aren't very useful. Add that to the fact that it's really hard to find a TB or USB dock or hub that breaks out to more USB-C ports (they all seem to think we want more A ports too...).

I also find the SD card to be a waste of space.
But even the most high-end mice and keyboards are USB-A. And I see 4tb HDDs with Usb-a and a dongle included.
 
Just as Maxtech overplayed the throttling on the M2 acting like it should be tuned for power users .

It's not overplayed. My M2 MacBook Air can become slower than my 5 year old Intel MacBook Pro even when it starts to thermal throttle.

The M2 MacBook Air is the 1st computer I have ever owned where I have to think about what I am going to do with it before using it. But it is now downgraded to the same duties as my M1 12.9 iPad Pro, so I don't have to worry too much about it anymore.
 
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dang, I really thought we'd get black… these colors are so stale

ha. I just ordered mine and didn't even think about color. After reading your post I decided to check and then thought "Oh, I got grey". I wish I hadn't looked - kind of like wanting to wait for the birth to learn the sex.
 
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ha. I just ordered mine and didn't even think about color. After reading your post I decided to check and then thought "Oh, I got grey". I wish I hadn't looked - kind of like wanting to wait for the birth to learn the sex.
I've always thought it would be cool to have a choice of whatever color will come fastest
 
I've got a 2014 MBP (yeah I'm that guy), so I'm finally ready to hit upgrade. I want a machine that'll last 4-6 years and not feel slow, so I'm going with the 16" Max, I'm undecided on 32GB or 64GB RAM though, how much of a difference does that make? Does it double the capability of the machine, or is it relatively marginal as most of the performance is down to the CPU/GPU cores?

Ultimately the 32GB can arrive in a week, 64GB arrives in two, so my patience may get the better of me, but if it's a significant upgrade to 64GB and means the machine lasts another year, I should probably wait.

My use case is currently as a dev, but with how AI is going I could see myself looking to run some of the more basic stuff locally point.

If any y'all have thoughts on this I'm very much open to hearing them.
Like me, you used your MBP for many years. Since your next MBP may be for the 2023 to 2030 time frame, IMO clearly you should choose 64 GB RAM like I am. Apps and Mac OS versions will not be wanting 2022 RAM in 2024+...
 
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These are better in every way especially the battery life. Pretty silly to get the old one so close.
If you needed a laptop In November, then something in late January doesn’t solve your problem.

As I noted above, the M1 Pro 10CPU/16GPU/1T MBP but at $400 off seems like it would be comparable to the M2 Pro 10CPU/16GPU/1T MBP as far as price and performance. Will be interesting in a week or so to see how those will benchmark against each other. I’m guessing they will be very close if not identical.
 
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It's not overplayed. My M2 MacBook Air can become slower than my 5 year old Intel MacBook Pro even when it starts to thermal throttle.

The M2 MacBook Air is the 1st computer I have ever owned where I have to think about what I am going to do with it before using it. But it is now downgraded to the same duties as my M1 12.9 iPad Pro, so I don't have to worry too much about it anymore.
I had the same problem with my M1 MBA. I traded it in on a Mac Studio.
 
The machines these MBP’s replace were all ready screamers. I just upgraded from a Touch Bar Intel machine in July to the 14” MBP primarily because the keyboard drove me nuts and the new processors.

This is just enough of an upgrade that I do NOT feel the need to upgrade, and I don’t feel like I got ripped off buying the last generation machine.

The Apple Watch 4 GPS goes later this month for an Ultra next paycheck though. I saved up about half the money and the rest is (part) from overtime I worked…
 
for the same price sure, but with the massive discount everyone got? hardly. much better? na, barely incremental at best. just like m1 to m2 on the mba.
Wrong:
1) Everyone did not get massive discounts. Most discounts were a couple of $hundred; meh.

2) M2 chips are larger, have far more transistors and have tens of thousands of engineering hours beyond the years-old M1. Not barely incremental.

3) WiFi 6E, HDMI, etc. improvements will be very relevant over the 2023 to 2029 lives of these new M2 MBPs. Not barely incremental.
 
All the good features (4K 120hertz HDMI and Wifi 6E) were withheld from your M1 Pro Macbook. Worse battery life too.

We thank you for being the beta tester for these though.
Seriously, if you think all the good features are 4K 120hertz HDMI and Wifi 6E, then you could just get those on a Windows laptop.

His comment about seeing no reason to upgrade seems pretty reasonable, since he has no current need for those features. It’s a different situation if you are needing to buy and choosing between two currently existing models, versus deciding whether to replace an existing model that already meets your needs (and again versus waiting to buy some future model.)

By the time I need those two features, it’s likely that at least M3 models will be available, so an upgrade now from an M1 Pro would make no sense versus waiting and thanking you for beta testing these. But if the need should arise for those features, I would buy at that time. I have a friend who never bought a computer and he has joked for decades that he is waiting for the technology to stabilize.
 
A little disappointed that the Pro and Max chips don't get at least 4nm.
4nm isn't a feature you "get". It's a design decision at the lowest level. The architecture and the process are tuned to each other. I don't expect a different process on any of the M2 series-- it would throw away too much of the benefits of scaling over product families the way Apple does.

Rumors of some later M2 chips changing process never made sense. The process will change again for the M3 series.
 
A little disappointed that the Pro and Max chips don't get at least 4nm.
From what I understand, the TSMC 4nm process is nearly identical to the most recent 5nm processes. that 4nm is just an "enhanced" version of 5nm. There would be little to no benefit.

 
Who can afford this crap. They literally brought the production down to a single in-house chip and it costs more than ever.. this is all about profit profit profit. The SoC should be making things more affordable. What is wrong with this company. They pretend like they are the fastest machines in the universe. The GPU is still an internal GPU only useable on MacOS. This machine is not business class as it can't run Windows anymore. They are out to lunch. There is goign to be a day people get tired of logic and final cut and what will apple be doing then.

What??? No Windows, GPU on MacOS only??? I am using Windows on my M1 MacBook Air and the graphics are faster then on my wife's HP Laptop.

Maybe you are just not the target audience. LOL!
 
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If you needed a laptop In November, then something in late January doesn’t solve your problem.

As I noted above, the M1 Pro 10CPU/16GPU/1T MBP but at $400 off seems like it would be comparable to the M2 Pro 10CPU/16GPU/1T MBP as far as price and performance. Will be interesting in a week or so to see how those will benchmark against each other. I’m guessing they will be very close if not identical.
If someone needed a laptop In November, then someone bought the good but year-old M1 tech or 13" M2 MBP and enjoyed it.

But make no mistake: circa 2025 (midlife of a new M2 MBP today) a 2/23 M2 MBP will be much nicer to be using than a 10/21 M1 MBP will be. They will not "be very close if not identical" on the heavy 2025 apps and workflows that one buys MBPs at this level for.
 
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Sheeeesh! Expensive where is the MacBook Pro in Midnight?

Sorry Apple, no Midnight MacBook 💻 Pro. I will have to pass. Lost opportunity!

You do have the option of applying a skin to your existing MacBook Air/Pro, you know. Wraplus makes some nice ones that aren’t too hard to apply. Then you can have the color and design you want.

I know, it’s not the same, but at least there are ways to personalize your Mac like this. I usually don’t stick things on my machines, but I was impressed with Wraplus’ skins and have used two so far. I think they should peel off as easily as they went on, when I don’t want them any more.
 
Keep in mind that the U.S. prices in the article are before sales tax and the UK figure you are quoting includes VAT. Without VAT, the UK price would be around £1790 which, yes, is still higher in USD than the U.S. retail price but not as much as the $2,650 you posted.

This also applies to comparisons against other countries that include VAT in the price. Again, quoted U.S. prices don't include sales tax so a fairer comparison would be against pre-VAT prices.
The problem is VAT is 20% here in the UK whereas, looking online the highest sales tax amount in the US is California at 7.25% making the base MBP $2145 at the highest rate of sales tax, so even at this point we are still paying $505 more for the same item or £410.
 
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