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Apple Announces OS X Yosemite with Improved Cross-Device Connectivity and New User Interface

Translucency

Craig kept bigging up the georgous translucency which reminded me of the badly done translucency in Vista and Win 7. I'm sure it will be suitably subtle like in ios7 but making such a big deal about it seemed shallow.

Fortunately everything else seemed great.
 
"You’ll notice a fresh, new typeface in app windows, menu bars, and throughout the system."

This makes me lol and sad at the same time. It's from 1956.
 
I tried to enable TRIM support. Hosed my machine. This situation is why Time Machine is critical.
 
My mavericks recovery partition was deleted and not replaced with a 10.10 one.

Did you guys get a 10.10 recovery partition? Or is that no longer a feature of OS X?
 
Yosemite

If anyone was wondering why Apple the called OS X 10.10 Yosemite, its because thats where Steve jobs was married to Laurene Powell in 1991.
 
aggri1 said:
Used to be that a button indicated that you could interact with it by looking like something you could interact with - namely a button! Whoa! How intuitive?!
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Used to be people were computer illiterate, having not grown up around them the whole idea of interacting with one via a GUI was foreign. Add to that the fact that graphics capabilities were severely limited compared to what we have today, so they decided to add this depth to buttons to simulate pressing something as if it were proud as if it were an actual physical device (which are controlled by knobs, dials and buttons).

Apple has simply moved away from that by making the windows flat and promoting the notion of depth into the screen via layers. Buttons need not look like a physical button that you depress any longer (given our understanding of computer GUIs as well as graphics capabilities of our devices), and other controls that are merely links to their physical counterparts for familiarity can be left behind too while we progress along this technology path we're on.
 
Sky Blue said:
The continuity stuff looks fantastic.

New look is good too.

Minium Specs:

" "•"iMac (Mid 2007 or newer)"
"•"MacBook (Late 2008 Aluminum, or Early 2009 or newer)"
"•"MacBook Pro (Mid/Late 2007 or newer)"
"•"MacBook Air (Late 2008 or newer)" "•"Mac mini (Early 2009 or newer)" "•"Mac Pro (Early 2008 or newer)" "•"Xserve (Early 2009)"


"•"At least 2 GB of RAM "
"•"At least 10 GB of available disk space (50 GB if you wish to use Caching Server)" "
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I really like the fact I get another OS for my aging MP!!!!
 
polterbyte said:
I understand, and I partially agree with you.

Still, in an age where there are cameras everywhere—and in an event that Apple itself was broadcasting the keynote worldwide (I watched it in real time right here, in Brazil)—there is no such thing as an event disconnected from marketing consequences. Especially in Apple's case.

Also, the same message could have been conveyed to all the developers in attendance, but away from the scrutiny of the Internet at large: all it would take is for Apple to spread it throughout the event and throughout the week, in the several presentations that will offered. I like Jobs' assertion that "For Apple to win, Microsoft doesn't have to lose". It's quite a powerful notion, and a very true one, too.

Also, ignoring your opponents in key moments always sends a more potent message than acknowledging them.

Oh, and also there's that old P. T. Barnum quote, "as long as they spell my name right", testifying that there's a lot to be gained both by Microsoft and by Google (mentioned through Android) because they were both mentioned by name in an Apple event.

When I see other companies bashing Apple, the first thought that comes to my mind is: "you have to be pretty afraid of Apple in order to mention their name in YOUR spot". Thats what people keen to Microsoft and Android are left thinking, I bet, after they see those pie charts.
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I agree that bashing your competition in commercials is risky, as it does give them free recognition. That's why one big rule of advertising is to not mention the second place competitor. But this was a developers conference, and the people there, in addition to the vast, vast majority of people tuning in to watch the keynote are already fans of Apple. And they all know the competition exists.

And to your other point, that nothing escapes the world's view these days: Apple is the absolute king of click bait these days. Do you think they could have made the point about Android and Windows during the conference without it making it on the web?
 
WilliamLondon said:
Buttons need not look like a physical button that you depress any longer (given our understanding of computer GUIs as well as graphics capabilities of our devices), and other controls that are merely links to their physical counterparts for familiarity can be left behind too while we progress along this technology path we're on.
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Sounds like this path leads to the replacement of a graphical UI with a text-based interface like MS-DOS one. :D

You can't replace a button with a label by a simple borderless label, that's counterintuitive and a bad user experience. Button still has to look like a button. There can be rare exceptions, but in general it is so. Folders still look like real folders, trash can looks like a trash can and a button should look like a button since it's in the end a button. It should at least have a border or a shape.

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tekboi said:
'Oh no, something different. How will I live? I need to be keep the same stale UI for the rest of my life in order to be happy.' :rolleyes:
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'Oh no, my life is so boring that I need to be constantly entertained by UI tweaks of a computer OS for the rest of my life in order to be happy.' :rolleyes:

Personal insults are not a good idea.

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bedifferent said:
^This. I am not liking it at all. The windows title bars and such are so light, combined with the transparency, they negatively impair productivity. The dock is bugging me and the icons are awful. Moreover, functionality hasn't really improved. Contacts is still the same, which needs a complete overhaul, Mission Control is an even bigger waste of space (I can't imagine these features on a laptop, on my dual 27" displays it's horrendous), the default folder icon looks like something out of Windows 3.1, and "Mail" is still updating 30+ minutes later. (running it on a new Mac Pro 8-Core with D700 dual 6GB FirePro's).
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Please report all the issues also via bugreport.apple.com
 
Mactendo said:
Sounds like this path leads to the replacement of a graphical UI with a text-based interface like MS-DOS one. :D

You can't replace a button with a label by a simple borderless label, that's counterintuitive and a bad user experience. Button still has to look like a button. There can be rare exceptions, but in general it is so. Folders still look like real folders, trash can looks like a trash can and a button should look like a button since it's in the end a button. It should at least have a border or a shape.
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You're missing the point entirely. We don't need those linkages any longer, people have learned how to interact with GUIs. Apple talked about this at last year's conference, there was a great session on why they made decisions about UI in the past (with the first touch OS release) and what they think about it today and going forward what they're doing with the whole notion of UI design. It may not be what you have learned regarding pushing buttons, but you have the basic skills to figure out the new way, and once you learn it, you don't need to learn it again. To me, even Mavericks looks outdated, I can't wait to see and use Yosemite.

But, some will argue that we need those old style buttons, dials and switches to simulate the way things were, you know, when you had to walk those 5 miles in the snow to get to school every day. You can wrap your arguments in lovely techno babble, but it still sounds like grandpa's complaining about having to get used to the new fangled devices. :p
 
Can someone explain to me how your phone being a hotspot with the macbook pro would work? Would it be that it is a free hotspot or is the mbp using the data from your phone, and you'd be charged through your carrier for using your phone in that way? Thanks
 
WilliamLondon said:
But, some will argue that we need those old style buttons, dials and switches to simulate the way things were, you know, when you had to walk those 5 miles in the snow to get to school every day. You can wrap your arguments in lovely techno babble, but it still sounds like grandpa's complaining about having to get used to the new fangled devices. :p
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Maybe some users just like the look of buttons, transparencies and other things even though they have been around awhile. When you relegate that to some something Grandpa might want it sounds like you are buying into the same old Applecrap "new paradigm" line which is really just marketing BS to sell you something.

Change for the sake of change sounds like auto industry marketing. Young kids probably fall for that stuff but as one gets old you begin to ask a very serious "why?" when you are confronted with change.
 
sshhoott said:
Continuity is a new direction for the unification of all the Apple devices. Allowing each device to do more of what the other does while also being itself. It's unification done right.

Well done Apple, well done. :)
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Well said.

I have to say, I was a little skeptical on Apple's direction the last couple years.

I'm now firmly convinced they're headed in the right direction.
 
JT24 said:
Can someone explain to me how your phone being a hotspot with the macbook pro would work? Would it be that it is a free hotspot or is the mbp using the data from your phone, and you'd be charged through your carrier for using your phone in that way? Thanks
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It will use your data, same as it does now. The only difference is that you won't have to go into your iPhone's settings to turn the hotspot on manually.
 
maflynn said:
I'm not fully in the apple ecosystem any longer (I don't have an iPhone), so the continuity which does look cool, won't help me much. I like the UI, and the search is nice.

The iCloud drive appears to be a nice answer for dropbox if it wasn't for the fact that you only get 5GB. By itself that's nice, but when you consider iOS backups (I have an ipad), emails, and what not. That space is used up as it is.
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You only get 5 GB free, you can get more. 20 GB is $0.99 a month and 200 GB is $3.99 a month. Those prices aren't unreasonable.
 
If Yosemite has all of the transparency elements as iOS7, I might skip and stay with what I have installed. I turned off much of the transparency in iOS7 to make it easier (and less distracting) to use.
 
paradox00 said:
You only get 5 GB free, you can get more. 20 GB is $0.99 a month and 200 GB is $3.99 a month. Those prices aren't unreasonable.
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Especially when you compare it to the current pricing. (eg. 20GB = $40/year ≈ $3.33/month, 50GB = $100/year ≈ 8.33/month)
 
Dangit...so disappointed. They're completely mimicking Microsoft's approach when it comes to their OS's now.

As for design - some people love being on a machine that is designed to look like a 4 year old's leap frog tablet, but I think the design is just awful - especially the dock/icons.

And the most disappointing - barely any actual meat. I always look forward to OS upgrades, and I thought Mavericks brought a lot of useful/powerful new things to the table. Yosemite is just depressing. Not to mention iOS just playing catchup with Android anymore.

This is probably the most I've ever ranted against Apple...but every single person at the studio who watched this today had very, very similar sentiments.
 
scottsjack said:
Maybe some users just like the look of buttons, transparencies and other things even though they have been around awhile. When you relegate that to some something Grandpa might want it sounds like you are buying into the same old Applecrap "new paradigm" line which is really just marketing BS to sell you something.

Change for the sake of change sounds like auto industry marketing. Young kids probably fall for that stuff but as one gets old you begin to ask a very serious "why?" when you are confronted with change.
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Marketing BS, now that's rich. Change for the sake of change, again quite rich. If everyone thought that way we'd still have tube televisions.

So many of the UI items were linkages to physical mechanisms to help people understand how it would work in a computer GUI. In a world without those physical items (e.g. buttons), if you were to design a UI (from scratch) you would never choose to create a proud button simply so people could understand when it was depressed. Think about it. It's only so people understand they've clicked it by referencing something outside the computer they would recognise.

We're moving to a world where buttons (proud or not) are rarer and rarer. Touch screen controls don't mimic depressed buttons, why must our computer GUIs still?

Well, they are changing that, it's not for the sake of change and it's not marketing BS, that's just plain silly.
 
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