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Ah, can you show me example on those siotes saying that iPhone 4S sales will be a flop, that Nexus Prime will sell more, that Apple stock will plummet?

Google it yourself man, no one wants to waste time looking it up for you
 
Not Spain, neither Italy.

Apart from an extraordinary device, there is some point for this fantastic data:

-17 months from the iPhone 4
-2 more carriers in the US (Verizon and Sprint)
-More countries available at first day (at least Spain and Italy)

The two more countries where the iPhone 4S is preorderable yet are Canada and Australia (as well as UK, Germany, France and Japan, like last year the iPhone 4)
 
Verizon was already included. Actually, Verizon iPhone users were less likely to upgrade since iPhone debuted there less than 9 months ago. So, imagine if Verizon users (the US's biggest carrier) were eligible for upgrades - sales would have been much higher.

I am willing to be there were a ton of BB Storm users that switched just like me ... all the storm 2 year contracts are winding down.
 
Can you imagine if they had actually come out with a re-designed iPhone 5? The universe would have exploded! :D

No wonder they delayed it until next year. We wouldn't want the universe to explode until 2012, now would we? ;)
 
Well that's ironic - since 9 times out of 10, it's Apple fans touting numbers as an indication that Apple's products are better than (fill in the blank). Even in this thread. A bit hypocritical. But I expect nothing less.

Even voonyx who stated in another thread that the bashing (both ways) is silly - and yet stated here sarcastically, "the Nexus Prime, this weeks iPhone killer, will destroy this record..."

All ridiculous.

The truth hurts, doesn't it. I'm talking to the people who swore that the Prime DESTROYS the iPhone as if consumers are sitting around googling specs before they buy or something. People on forums seem to put too much worth into themselves, and assume that everyone is like them. We are a small, almost irrelevant segment of tech buyers overall. The point of my post was not to bash, but to show that the people here need to get out of their warped sense of reality where phone buyers are these spec hungry, drooling for dual core techies. They're not. People buy what works, and what has always worked. And that's iPhone. Simple and plain as shown here.
 
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/10/05/with-iphone-4s-hiccup-apple-opens-door-for-competition/

And still, none of them says the things I have asked for.

I think many of you confuse saying that iPhone 4S is catching up with competition in some aspects or that is has been a flop regarding expectations with sayiong that it will be a flop, other handest will sell more, etc, etc.

It seem that some fo you see the world in black or white or with me or against me.
 
I posted somewhere else that since Apple sold 20 million iPhones in the last quarter, more than 220,000 a day every day including weekends, a million wasn't actually that much. What I forgot was that iPhone 4 sales are of course a lot less than iPhone sales, because a lot of those 20 million were iPhone 3GS. And I'd think that Apple sold quite a few iPhones during this pre-order time; no reason not to buy an iPhone 3GS if you wanted one, or an iPhone 4 at a reduced price.

Has anyone seen sales numbers for iPhone 4 (not for all iPhones) to do a proper comparison?

I honestly don't think one could even make a useful comparison. At this point, there are two wholly distinct markets in play. On the one hand you've got the tech-gizmo crowd, who follow news sites avidly, know about pre-ordering, and have to have the thing on the day. On the other hand you have joe public who gets their news from the broader media, or from friends and family, and for whom contract cycles, birthdays/holidays, and sales are far larger motivators on their purchasing patterns.

The 200k+ iPhones selling currently are going to that latter group of people. The one million plus 4s pre-orders are largely selling to the former. All we can say with any clarity is that the iPhone is selling into the broader nerd base, rather than just the Apple nerd base, which at least suggests the phone is holding up against the Android competitors. The real money however is coming from the masses, not we the Internet noise.
 
I'll speak for myself here and postulate a hypothesis...

While many of you iPhone 4 owners were bitching like spoiled children about the 4S, a multitude (will perhaps MILTITUDE) of people like me were wetting ourselves over the 4S... why?

Because we're 3G/3GS owners, and when the iPhone 4 came out and immediately ran into antenna problems we all said "nah **** that, I'll wait for them to sort that BS out on the next phone"... which is what they just did!

I for one love the iPhone 4 design and now it's actually a very, very good phone, I (and a boat load of other people) are grabbing them like hot cakes...

No need to be surprised, as many here have mentioned in other threads, the MR demographic is not entirely representative of humankind; many of us didn't jump on the (slightly) flawed iPhone 4 when it came out. We're jumping in now though and (like Steve) are sitting back with what can only be described as a big ****-eatin' grin on our faces!

I know there are a bunch of people around here who hate the truth... but I reckon 3G/3GS owners are a big part of it.

:D

Very good points, let's also remember that there are a gazillion people out there that do not own smartphones. The 4S could be the 1st smart phone for a lot of people.
 
The truth hurts, doesn't it. I'm talking to the people who swore that the Prime DESTROYS the iPhone as if consumers are sitting around googling specs before they buy or something. People on forums seem to put too much worth into themselves, and assume that everyone is like them. We are a small, almost irrelevant segment of tech buyers overall. The point of my post was not to bash, but to show that the people here need to get out of their warped sense of reality where phone buyers are these spec hungry, drooling for dual core techies. They're not. People buy what works, and what has always worked. And that's iPhone. Simple and plain as shown here.

The truth hurts who? LOL.. Not me...
 
I keep forgetting about RIM - you are right, they are screwed. The fact that I forget about says something about where they are in the minds of consumers.

Maybe for Canadians who support their Canadian brethren they still think of RIM, but I just can't see how they're going to pull themselves out of the slide they're in.

If Apple keeps going after enterprise business, it will be RIM that suffers the most. Apple does need help on the business side, as evidenced by my own dealings with their business team. I do a better job selling the benefits of Apple products than they do - maybe that is their plan? Why hire people to sell, when you have consumers forcing the issue at many corporations.

I think one of the biggest hurdles they face is that the IT professionals are threatened by Apple - the fact that Apple's products don't require the same dedicated service needs that PC based systems do mean IT teams could be reduced significantly.
 
I posted somewhere else that since Apple sold 20 million iPhones in the last quarter, more than 220,000 a day every day including weekends, a million wasn't actually that much. What I forgot was that iPhone 4 sales are of course a lot less than iPhone sales, because a lot of those 20 million were iPhone 3GS. And I'd think that Apple sold quite a few iPhones during this pre-order time; no reason not to buy an iPhone 3GS if you wanted one, or an iPhone 4 at a reduced price.

Has anyone seen sales numbers for iPhone 4 (not for all iPhones) to do a proper comparison?

'+1 million refers only to iPhone 4S preorders, not counting iPhone 4 and iPhone 3GS.
 
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stevensr123 said:
I don't know why people are so surprised, I will say it again, many factors have made this happen unlike other releases:

1: 17 months since the last one came out, that is a massive wait, people are not eligible for early upgrades/upgrades, many people's contracts have probably expired etc.

2: new countries are getting the phone on the 1st day, unlike previous times, wasn't the iPhone 4 only released the USA the 1st month or something? The countries such as the uk, australia etc were able to pre-order/buy them?

3: Many people have been waiting for years on just a 3g/3gs, new features have come, many people will not want to wait about 16 months for the 5 to come out, so they are only now jumping ship.


This iPhone will be successful, no doubt about it, But i reckon the average joe who has an iPhone 4, and doesn't even know the difference in terms of performance, will not get the latest one.

I mean, 90% of people probably don't even think the phone is different.

And around 30% of iPhone 4 Owners thought they had 4G!
 
Horrible. Not only did Apple's stock plummet after the announcement, but they completely dropped the ball with this flop of a incremental upgrade. the Nexus Prime, this weeks iPhone killer, will destroy this record...:rolleyes:

How much money would you like to wager good sir?
 
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/10/05/with-iphone-4s-hiccup-apple-opens-door-for-competition/

And still, none of them says the things I have asked for.

I think many of you confuse saying that iPhone 4S is catching up with competition in some aspects or that is has been a flop regarding expectations with sayiong that it will be a flop, other handest will sell more, etc, etc.

It seem that some fo you see the world in black or white or with me or against me.

It seems your in denial.
 
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And around 30% of iPhone 4 Owners thought they had 4G!

It's insane! now they even want to put a 4g indicator on the 4s. It is amazing the lengths the twill go.
 
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And around 30% of iPhone 4 Owners thought they had 4G!

You mean like the android owners who own an Atrix "4G" or Inspire "4G" who get the same exact 14.4Mbps speed as an iPhone 4S?

Do those people think they have 4G? :rolleyes:
 
Wow! Those are some crazy numbers, go APPL. I was going to wait until launch day to get one in the store but am glad I bought online, going to be insane in the apple stores this Friday.
 
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