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Apple are given people what they want - just to make money

Umm. Ya. That's what companies do. That's what all companies do. And that's no different that what Apple has been doing all along since 1976. As for innovation, you can't expect Apple or anyone to completely change the world every 12 months. Doesn't happen that way. The next big thing (if they can get deals in place) will probably be the TV. The iPhone isn't going to change much anymore.
 
Is this just Apple.com/store pre-orders, or does this include AT&T, Sprint, Verizon, and any other carriers? Also, what about other international Sept 14 preorders?

This likely includes all pre-orders, domestic and international, taken by apple through apple.com. The carriers have their own allotments and keep those numbers separate.
 
Sales figures alone do not a great iPhone make. Proof?. Look at yer average Hollywood action blockbuster .. people see these films and vote them to the top of the movie charts because theyre ... blockbusters. Ask them what they thought of the film afterwards and its a different story .. Pearl Harbor for example .. terrible film but fantastic sales figures ... Apple have a (current) captive audience / customer base thro' the success of the iPhone 4.0 and 3GS .. not the 4S. Once folks realise theyve been duped by upgrading 'for the sake of upgrading' - several hundreds of dollars to basically own the same phone form factor as what they already have .. then maybe .. just maybe the wee light in their 'heids' might come on and they say "No way, Ray. This is more of the same - the lazy sods! I will await the iPhone 5S thanks very much"
The likelihood however is that the iLemmings will form an orderly queue at the top of the cliff and shout "Let me buy whatever has the new logo and take my cash card because I have bugger all else to spend my disposable income on ..."

what a shame .. if only theyd made it 4G compatible for the UK ... until then ... the wait continues :-( As does my iPhone 4.0 in me jacket pocket! :mad:

U just failed with you post. The iphone will work on uk lte. Where have you been???
 
100% year on year growth is impressive. The economy is arguably worse than it was a year ago, and the smartphone market hasn't grown that much. Also, there weren't any significant new carrier announcements on Wednesday.

There were plenty of extra launch countries though. 100% year on year is impressive, but it's what they have had for a couple of years now, so it's not surprising. They have done so through a series of measure of course (more launch countries, more carriers, plain smartphone segment growth).

Again, impressive but not surprising. The question is how do they keep this up going forward.
 
Apple is not going away! Samsung is not going away!

Why do we constantly compare the two and spend countless hours debating which is better?
Why? Because the Fandroids and Samsung-ites have specifically targeted this Pro-Apple website to come and create problems. How many Samsung or Android or Microsoft forums am I a member of? Zero. None. Because I'm not a big, stupid trouble-making troll.

I would not doubt if Apple's competition actually has people on the payroll who's sole job is troll and post on Apple forums, trying to get people to consider something other than Apple. That said, I don't think there's ONE person that Apple pays to say negative stuff about their competition. That would be completely beneath them and they wouldn't do it.

Bottomline, Cosmo, you to face the fact that this website has been selected by them for the sole purpose to cause problems. No doubt about it. That said, I'm not going to go over to a pro-Samsung website and try to stir crap up. I have better things to do with my time. The same can not be said for them.
 
i'm surprised...

at&T (and maybe other carriers) are not allowing an early upgrade so I would have thought the early uptake would be much slower than past phones.

- so are orders from people with older phones?
- or are people actually paying the non-subsidized fee?

I paid full retail price. :(
I put it on my credit card. :apple:
At least I can pay it off in chunks.
:cool:
 
Official Press Release

In the official press release it states that the majority of pre-orders will be delivered on Sept 21st. What is a majority? Is that half the pre-orders? I ordered mine at 12:56 AM PST, that is less than an hour after pre-orders started, my order status states an October 5th delivery.

The worst part is that when I placed my pre-order, the website was indicating that it would deliver on Sept 21st. When I received my confirmation email the email said a delivery date of October 5th. I thought that can't be right, so I immediately went back to the Apple's website to see what it was saying the delivery date was and it still was indicating "Delivers Sept 21st".

I sure hope my order somehow gets bumped up! Heck I leave for China on the 23rd and really want my new iPhone 5 to play with on the plane. If I don't get it, do you think Apple will let me pick it up from the factory? :)
 
Why? Because the Fandroids and Samsung-ites have specifically targeted this Pro-Apple website to come and create problems. How many Samsung or Android or Microsoft forums am I a member of? Zero. None. Because I'm not a big, stupid trouble-making troll.

I would not doubt if Apple's competition actually has people on the payroll who's sole job is troll and post on Apple forums, trying to get people to consider something other than Apple. That said, I don't think there's ONE person that Apple pays to say negative stuff about their competition. That would be completely beneath them and they wouldn't do it.

Bottomline, Cosmo, you to face the fact that this website has been selected by them for the sole purpose to cause problems. No doubt about it. That said, I'm not going to go over to a pro-Samsung website and try to stir crap up. I have better things to do with my time. The same can not be said for them.

I only seek to stop misinformation from spreading around this forums and others! I don't mind that people like the iPhone (Hell I have owned every iteration except for the 3G) but when people just blatantly lie about the iPhone vs Any other smartphone... thats what grinds my gears..;)
 
iPhone 6

Apple will announce the iPhone 6 in October. The iPhone 5 was an upgrade to the 4S and made to throw us off track. The new phone will have a 5 inch screen, easily handled by everyone, and will allow talk and search features as well as NFC. Stay tuned.:)
 
Why? Because the Fandroids and Samsung-ites have specifically targeted this Pro-Apple website to come and create problems.

When was the last time you visited a MS or Android forum? You may not be a member but there are plenty of apple trolls on them. Personally I think apple fanboys are a bit more obsessive. Thankfully most people on this site aren't fanboys.
 
Why? Because the Fandroids and Samsung-ites have specifically targeted this Pro-Apple website to come and create problems. How many Samsung or Android or Microsoft forums am I a member of? Zero. None. Because I'm not a big, stupid trouble-making troll.

You're confused. Most of the people correcting the pro-Apple FUD from the "Apple does no wrong!" crowd are not Frandroids or Samsung-ites, they're Apple product users.

And MacRumors is not necessarily a "Pro-Apple" website. It's a website about Apple rumors. No need to be "pro-Apple" or whatever the hell that means to be here. Just being interested in things related to Apple is enough.

Basically, don't mistake your opinion and bias as the rules of the forum.
 
i see that we're still calling it iPhone 5 :rolleyes:

That's the official name now. What should we be calling it?

I also think it's an unfortunate name, since it's the 6th iteration of the iPhone, but now that it's official, there's not much we can do about it.
 
In the official press release it states that the majority of pre-orders will be delivered on Sept 21st. What is a majority? Is that half the pre-orders? I ordered mine at 12:56 AM PST, that is less than an hour after pre-orders started, my order status states an October 5th delivery.

The worst part is that when I placed my pre-order, the website was indicating that it would deliver on Sept 21st. When I received my confirmation email the email said a delivery date of October 5th. I thought that can't be right, so I immediately went back to the Apple's website to see what it was saying the delivery date was and it still was indicating "Delivers Sept 21st".

I sure hope my order somehow gets bumped up! Heck I leave for China on the 23rd and really want my new iPhone 5 to play with on the plane. If I don't get it, do you think Apple will let me pick it up from the factory? :)

This is the same question I have.
 
Some can be smug....Apple executives are smug in their presentations putting other companies down

that smugness carries over

Liar. Their presentations talk about how proud they are of their items, and how hard they work on it, and how these inventions will help people. Note that it was SAMSUNG who felt the need to release a ridiculous print ad response like morons.
 
Hey, if you want a company to put your personal interests ahead of its own financial interests, start your own company. Apple's not a charity.

I think you should read what i write again, instead of just fast-replying in a negative way.

Its a question about what kind of product they want to deliver. Now they a making products for the highest amount of demand, and thats not the only way to go. It probably works in the short run - bigger profits! But in the long run Apples costumers will be "regular" customers, and they will have to compete with all the other companies who als produce ex. phones for the "general market" - profits can go down.

I would stick to a more niché-market if I were Apple.

But, all that said, I was just pointing out why Im not an Apple costumer.
 
i'm surprised...

at&T (and maybe other carriers) are not allowing an early upgrade so I would have thought the early uptake would be much slower than past phones.

- so are orders from people with older phones?
- or are people actually paying the non-subsidized fee?

I personally know a LOT of people (myself included) that skipped the 4S because it was basically nothing more than a processor update and a nicer camera. My contract has been finished for months.
 
Again, impressive but not surprising. The question is how do they keep this up going forward.

They can't keep doubling forever, or else they will have 64 million pre-orders for the 7S. It will level at some point, particularly once most of the market has smartphones. China Mobile and NTT Docomo are the two biggest holdouts remaining. After that, about the only way to keep growing would be to expand the product line, either bigger, or more likely smaller, with a device aimed at the pre-paid markets in emerging economies. I can't see Apple ever competing in a race to the bottom in the sub-$100 space, but a $250 model might work. LTE won't be obsolete for a long time, so the iPhone 5 could be around as long as or longer than the 3GS to fill that role.
 
That's the official name now. What should we be calling it?

I also think it's an unfortunate name, since it's the 6th iteration of the iPhone, but now that it's official, there's not much we can do about it.

People are still bringing this up. Let it die.

No one made a fuss when Apple called the second gen the 3G. So who cares.
 
Sales figures alone do not a great iPhone make. Proof?. Look at yer average Hollywood action blockbuster .. people see these films and vote them to the top of the movie charts because theyre ... blockbusters. Ask them what they thought of the film afterwards and its a different story .. Pearl Harbor for example .. terrible film but fantastic sales figures ... Apple have a (current) captive audience / customer base thro' the success of the iPhone 4.0 and 3GS .. not the 4S. Once folks realise theyve been duped by upgrading 'for the sake of upgrading' - several hundreds of dollars to basically own the same phone form factor as what they already have .. then maybe .. just maybe the wee light in their 'heids' might come on and they say "No way, Ray. This is more of the same - the lazy sods! I will await the iPhone 5S thanks very much"
The likelihood however is that the iLemmings will form an orderly queue at the top of the cliff and shout "Let me buy whatever has the new logo and take my cash card because I have bugger all else to spend my disposable income on ..."

what a shame .. if only theyd made it 4G compatible for the UK ... until then ... the wait continues :-( As does my iPhone 4.0 in me jacket pocket! :mad:

Unlike movies, iPhones have always had outstanding customer feedback. Your comparison is flawed.
 
I find your post confusing and, to be frank, a bit confused.

Being "niche" and being "different" are not the same thing. Apple clearly isn't niche but it most definitely IS different. There is nobody out there who does what Apple does the way Apple does it. Nobody else has the integration of the software, hardware, services and ecosystem that Apple has - nobody at all. RIM comes closest as it makes its own OS and its own hardware but RIM doesn't supply the kinds of value adding services and products that Apple supplies. Apple's offering is unique - they do 'think different'.

As for "giving people what they want", well, yes and no. It all depends on what people you're talking to. Some want massive screens, NFC and wireless charging - Apple has chosen to NOT go with the trend on these areas just like it chose NOT to go with the trend on flash, removable batteries, etc. Similarly, nobody saw the potential for the iPad - people were asking for desktop software squished into a tablet form factor and Apple chose to go another way. Apple does give people what they want but only when what they want happens to co-incide with the vision they have. Again, this is very different to their main competitors who seem to design products by consensus rather than following their own path.

You really want them to give you "nice to have" rather than "need to have" features? I think what you're asking for is for Apple to become like Samsung. They won't. I also don't quite understand why you value novelty features over real value adding features... that seems a funny way to go but each to their own I guess.

You're complaining, in the same breath, that the new iPods are more of them same AND you want your click wheel back...? I think you're a bit confused here. Either you want more of the same (click wheel) or you don't - it's odd that you seem to want both the same and different.

Finally, you're saying you want different rather than better?! I think at least you're correct in one thing; Apple absolutely isn't the brand for you anymore but it's you, not Apple, who has changed.

I dont agree with you, and Im not confused at all. And please stop sounding like you have a patent on the truth. Im just writing about my opion.

Niché/different does cover the same thing, when interpreted as not "generel/classic" way of doing things.

For me the click-wheel is a genius invention! Its not allways better to go forward, sometimes you stick to some of the few very good innovative design. The click-wheel is for me one of them.
 
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