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Damn!! You guys just always do it right,


you show us the phone :apple:
we complain :mad:
you start preorders on a friday:)
we customers set a new world record:D
o yeah we still complaining :confused:
 
2X CPU power
2X Graphics power
2X RAM
2X sales in the first 24 hours than last year to 2 million units

Ofcourse, as you know, Apple is doomed to hell and beyond for this innovation-less minor update.

In all listed capacities, I fail to see the innovation.

Look, its a good product, but call it what it is. The iPhone 4G. Faster everything. Stop saying its more innovative than anything else. Its not. There's faster phones on the market, and that was demonstrated on Geekbench (Jellybean SIII smokes the rumored A6 in the test). Its a nice phone, it'll sell like hot cakes. The complaint is Apple's gone conservative, stale, boring, etc.

I got an iPhone 5. Its better than my old iPhone. But I don't see the projected differences sans LTE. And SIII has 2x Ram iPhone 5 anyway.
 
In the official press release it states that the majority of pre-orders will be delivered on Sept 21st. What is a majority? Is that half the pre-orders? I ordered mine at 12:56 AM PST, that is less than an hour after pre-orders started, my order status states an October 5th delivery.

The worst part is that when I placed my pre-order, the website was indicating that it would deliver on Sept 21st. When I received my confirmation email the email said a delivery date of October 5th. I thought that can't be right, so I immediately went back to the Apple's website to see what it was saying the delivery date was and it still was indicating "Delivers Sept 21st".

I sure hope my order somehow gets bumped up! Heck I leave for China on the 23rd and really want my new iPhone 5 to play with on the plane. If I don't get it, do you think Apple will let me pick it up from the factory? :)

I think it's best you don't get that phone for your trip cause I can guarantee you some Chinese gang will hold you up for that thing knowing they can sell it for probably $2,000 american
 
Ok so I see all these moments on the Verge and the like saying "welcome to last year". But if LTE and big screens were that important wouldn't some of these iPhone 3GS/4 owners already have moved on to another phone like the S3? I'm sure some have but with these initial sales figures it sure seems like a lot of iPhone users held out for the iPhone 5.
 
i know this is sarcasm.

But I do not think you know what innovative means :p

making something faster, doesn't necessarily mean innovative :p

(please don't take this as me taking anything away from the iphone5, it's a good phone, in line with the top end phones from everyone else. But Innovative? is it bringing something truly new to the table? Some feature? item? design queue or element unseen or unrecognized?. No,it is not)

Great phone. Great product. But the term Innovative is getting smacked around like a wet towel in a locker room.


Well yes it is.

1. Integrated Touchscreen Display Technology.
2. Best smartphone screen to date (Color accuracy)
3. Thinnest overall design with best performance to date and stronger!
4. Full custom designed processor which I believe will prove to be the fastest smartphone by far.
5. The best charging/data connector to date (Samsung will copy soon)


I think the problem is we expect Apple to make some science fiction phone and do not understand that is not reality. The iPhone 4 still holds it own among top smartphones. If you think it is possible to make a smartphone a clear display or a paper thin phone right now you should stick to movies.
 
Uh ? What does one have to do with the other.

I'm not surprised. iPhone 4S was 1 million, iPhone 4 was 600,000. Seems 2 million is inline with their usual growth.

Big numbers for the new iPhone, as expected. This one will again sell tons more units than the previous generation.

I'm a little surprised. My impression was that this round had fewer countries added. If it's launching in more countries concurrently or more came on board pre-launch, I guess that would make sense. Some of the prior phone releases included a lot of new carriers or countries, which obviously had some impact on growth. I'm not sure what's driving it this time unless they're just accepting pre-orders from a larger portion of the globe.

Android Fanboy - "Ugly, S3 is better, this thing won't sell"...

Apple - "We were blown away by preorders"...

Android Fanboy - "BS Hype, held back supply, marketing spin"

Apple - "2M Preorders, doubling the iPhone 4s record"

Android Fanboy - "Oh, well whatever, S3 is quad core so its faster"

Geekbench - "iPhone 5 runs at least as fast on only 2 cores, saving tons of battery"

Android Fanboy - "FML"

Did I miss anything?

These hypothetical comparisons of people become very old. You'd have to be a very boring person to identify yourself by the phone you carry.
 
They sold out of the initial stock of pre-orders in 1 hour, so yes, it is possible that by 6am the delivery date was 10/5. Note that Apple can't simply sell all their stock through pre-orders, since otherwise they would have nothing for the in-store sales. Therefore, they allocate a certain amount of their inventory to pre-sales and the rest to store stock.

Supply chain has improved immensely with each new iPhone release, but sales go up, as well. They pre-sold 600,000 iPhone 4 units in 2010 and sold about 2 million the first weekend. They pre-sold 1 million iPhone 4S units in 2011 and sold about 4 million the first weekend. They pre-sold 2 million iPhone 5 units in 2012, and there are estimates that they could sell between 6-10 million the first weekend. They simply can't make these things fast enough to meet initial demand.

Exactly! I think a lot of people just don't realize how limited that initial stock of new iPhones is. Out of 2 million units sold, maybe 25% of those sells will get delivered on Friday - launch day. The other 75 % will get delivered anytime after that, including possibly two weeks after launch day. Apple has also, more recently in the last couple of years, limited the initial pre order stock, so that they could have a lot more units in their stores on launch day. It used to be the other way around for Apple. They used to basically just blow their stock during the pre-order and not worry about how much stock they had on hand at the stores, after all a sell is a sell and people are still getting it launch day, but rather through the mail.

Then Apple saw that fewer people were queuing up at their stores, and the launch didn't appear, at least to observers and the media, that the product launch was as massive, because so many people were sitting at home waiting on the delivery truck. That doesn't make for great visuals. What makes for great visuals is huge lines queuing up outside of your stores.

What Apple realizes is and what they have learned is that when you run out of iPhones on launch day at your stores, people get a lot more angry, than they do if you push their delivery date back by a week or two. Sure some people will not be happy about getting their iPhone delivered a week later because they ordered an hour too late, but most are not going to cancel their order, so Apple still makes money. But when you run out of iPhones at your local store and people are waiting in long lines, they will get angry and they will go home mad, and many will not come back.

Apple is just not going to blow their initial wad on pre-orders any more like they used to. They will stagger their stock in 3 or more different segments.
 
In all listed capacities, I fail to see the innovation.

Look, its a good product, but call it what it is. The iPhone 4G. Faster everything. Stop saying its more innovative than anything else. Its not. There's faster phones on the market, and that was demonstrated on Geekbench (Jellybean SIII smokes the rumored A6 in the test). Its a nice phone, it'll sell like hot cakes. The complaint is Apple's gone conservative, stale, boring, etc.

I got an iPhone 5. Its better than my old iPhone. But I don't see the projected differences sans LTE. And SIII has 2x Ram iPhone 5 anyway.

SIII is a quad-core and has 2GB of RAM. iPhone 5 is dual-core with 1GB of RAM, yet they are not far off in performance. Android phones need more horsepower because everything on it is less efficient.

But, but, but, but it has 2X RAM! :rolleyes:
 
Excited

With so much criticism I feel like I can't be excited to get the iPhone5. So... I came onto an awesome community to encourage the rest of you awesome bastards.


iPhone 5...................

Seriously, I'm really excited. :)
 
In all listed capacities, I fail to see the innovation.

Look, its a good product, but call it what it is. The iPhone 4G. Faster everything. Stop saying its more innovative than anything else. Its not. There's faster phones on the market, and that was demonstrated on Geekbench (Jellybean SIII smokes the rumored A6 in the test). Its a nice phone, it'll sell like hot cakes. The complaint is Apple's gone conservative, stale, boring, etc.

I got an iPhone 5. Its better than my old iPhone. But I don't see the projected differences sans LTE. And SIII has 2x Ram iPhone 5 anyway.

Just a few innovations that we know of;
- A chip that is designed specifically for running iOS. Runs faster than 4core, double the ram, higher speed chips.
- Most possibly higher LTE speeds vs other phones in the market (yet to be tested).
- In-cell touch panel, that will reduce energy use.
- Integrated body style that uses the back plate as the skeleton.
- A new way to take panaroma pictures rather than stitching up several pictures.

I do not understand how these are not innovation.
 
Few facts:
Apple is not going away!
Samsung is not going away!

Why do we constantly compare the two and spend countless hours debating which is better? I'm in the Apple camp and have made a conscious decision to this point. I'm happy for my Android loving friends...it's just not for me. Hardware/Software...which is better...who cares?

We are at a point in the smartphone world where incremental improves are the best we can expect. So it really boils down to user experience. My experience needs are different than the Android camps. I believe Apple is better positioned to improve the end users experience, but do I really care if Android users think? NO!

Not to start a flame war, but I do not lurk in the Android forums, but it seems their is a huge Android following in MRs...I wonder why?

Either they are jealous or they are paid by someone ;)
 
I paid full retail price. :(
I put it on my credit card. :apple:
At least I can pay it off in chunks.
:cool:

This is the problem of America today. Pay it off in chunks?! So what's your effective purchase price including APR?!

I would never take a loan out ever to purchase any item. In fact, waited till I had $$$$$ in the bank to buy a brand new car with a cashiers check.

Whats with people who can't afford apple being so obsessed over it.

But hey whatever pleases you I guess. So this is how hipsters are able to afford their products.
 
Just a few innovations that we know of;
- A chip that is designed specifically for running iOS. Runs faster than 4core, double the ram, higher speed chips.
- Most possibly higher LTE speeds vs other phones in the market (yet to be tested).
- In-cell touch panel, that will reduce energy use.
- Integrated body style that uses the back plate as the skeleton.
- A new way to take panaroma pictures rather than stitching up several pictures.

I do not understand how these are not innovation.

the chip design itself could prove to be an Apple innovation. While the ARM Cpu concept and design isn't itself, If Apple did manage to bring development in house (still rumoured) and expand on the CPU with brand new on die features. Yes, Innovative.

the in-cell touch panel isn't apple's invention. we've seen it already. I'm looking for it now (but my googlefu is failing)

the integrated body isn't new either. However what impresses me is how Apple managed to get the antennae's working thorugh the metal casing. That could prove to be the most innovative feature.

Panoramic Apps have been available for all platforms, including iOS for years. this is not innovative. All apple has done is move it as a part of the OS applications, than a 3rd party one.

There's nothing wrong with the iphone5. People are just shocked that there's nothing really groundbreaking new. There's nothign the iphone is bringing it's customers as a tangible that everyone else hasn't really already done.

again, the iphone 5 is NOT A BAD PHONE. it' s a top tier, top of the line device. people buying it aren't going to be upset by doing so. There might be a small omission with the NFC thing, but for the majority, your iphone will do everything. People can piss and moan about the screen size, or lack of real change to the design, But thats purely subjective and not everyone will share that opinion.
 
SIII is a quad-core and has 2GB of RAM. iPhone 5 is dual-core with 1GB of RAM, yet they are not far off in performance. Android phones need more horsepower because everything on it is less efficient.

But, but, but, but it has 2X RAM! :rolleyes:

I believe that the US version of the S3 is dual-core with 2GB of ram. The rest of the world is quad-core with only 1GB or ram. I can't remember what Japan and Korea's specs are.
 
Exactly! I think a lot of people just don't realize how limited that initial stock of new iPhones is. Out of 2 million units sold, maybe 25% of those sells will get delivered on Friday - launch day. The other 75 % will get delivered anytime after that, including possibly two weeks after launch day.

Apple said the "majority" will be delivered on 9/21, so that would be at least more than 1 million. The others will likely slip into October.
 
the chip design itself could prove to be an Apple innovation. While the ARM Cpu concept and design isn't itself, If Apple did manage to bring development in house (still rumoured) and expand on the CPU with brand new on die features. Yes, Innovative.

My point.

the in-cell touch panel isn't apple's invention. we've seen it already. I'm looking for it now (but my googlefu is failing)

Yes not Apple`s invention. Still an innovation, commercialized by iPhone before others.

the integrated body isn't new either. However what impresses me is how Apple managed to get the antennae's working thorugh the metal casing. That could prove to be the most innovative feature.

They have used similar techniques in their Macbook line up with air and pro. Not new. New for phone.

Panoramic Apps have been available for all platforms, including iOS for years. this is not innovative. All apple has done is move it as a part of the OS applications, than a 3rd party one.

Yes, but is there an app that creates panorama in a way Apple does? As opposed to stitching big pictures together, Apple is processing segments of the photo and creating the panorama right there as the photo is being taken. Kind of like taking a still video I guess.

There's nothing wrong with the iphone5. People are just shocked that there's nothing really groundbreaking new. There's nothign the iphone is bringing it's customers as a tangible that everyone else hasn't really already done.

again, the iphone 5 is NOT A BAD PHONE. it' s a top tier, top of the line device. people buying it aren't going to be upset by doing so. There might be a small omission with the NFC thing, but for the majority, your iphone will do everything. People can piss and moan about the screen size, or lack of real change to the design, But thats purely subjective and not everyone will share that opinion.

What I`m seeing with iPhone 5 is similar to iPhone 4. Most innovation with iPhone 4 was related to the design. A4 chip, all glass with new antenna. And people were crying there was no innovation. These things take years to make sure they work and work well.
 
D'oh! Read me post ... I am with O2 .. both they and Vodafone are not geared up just yet and are livid with EE for beating them to the line .. so EE users can and will get 4G (tho at what added premium is anyone's guess) but other providers can wait .. and wait . .and when they do get the 4G deal theyll find their existing iPhone 5s are about as much use as the original iPhone in getting LTE service .... 'cos theyll need a compatible phone to match their alloted frequency .. nothing like a bit of competition is there .. and this is nothing like that .. hurrah for UK enterprise!
Sorry, you are making Apple responsable for not making the iPhone5 compatable with a non existing network? By the time O2 or anybody else got up and running,iPhone6 will be there.
If LTE is so important, why are you with a network, that is not providing it? Regardless of the handset, NO phone can get you LTE on O2.
 
What I`m seeing with iPhone 5 is similar to iPhone 4. Most innovation with iPhone 4 was related to the design. A4 chip, all glass with new antenna. And people were crying there was no innovation. These things take years to make sure they work and work well.

Same.

the innovation they're bringing (i wont say there was none in the iphone5, didnt mean to imply that either), isn't what we typically think of with the tangibles.

it doesn't do anything that the other devices do. there's no brand new feature that suddenly does things the other guys can't.

for the most purposes, users will be able to do everything they do on the iphone, as they can with everyone else. There's no longer that one defining feature of the iphone that nobody else can do.

This isn't a problem! people are so fickle these days. they want to see the type of innovation that will set apple ahead of everyone else again.

it just isnt there yet (who knows what the next greatest THING will be. if we did, we'd be investing in it!)

But to call making things "faster" as innovative... is a gross misuse of the word innovate.

Thats all i was getting at in regards to my first comment

"THE IPHONE IS INNOVATIVE BECAUSE ITS 2X FASTER!"

Please.
 
You can try to rationalize it all you want, but the fact remains that Apple has produced a quality product which people are voting for with their wallets. Your attempt at belittling people's purchase is drowned out by the sea of two million happy customers.

What a bizarre world we now live in .. you think I am belittling people by stating the fact that the UK iPhone is incompatible with 4G for 50% of users .. and we should blindly over look that fact cos folks are happy with the purchase of an item they havent even received yet ... but dont worry I know I am in the minority. In here at least. Luckily not everyone is as narrowminded and will jump when Apple click their fingers .. ironically I am no Apple hater or Android thusiast .. I have a iMac .. Macbook ... iPad .. two iPhones a Nano and two shuffles .. I suppose I m just a bit old fashioned in that I buy things that are worth upgrading if I think Ill use the feature/s. And I can separate myself from peer hysteria and media hype and 'sales figures' .. I was going to buy a new Seat Ibiza when I saw the brochure come through the door .. new restyled front .. new engine .. new price ... but oddly .. I didnt upgrade .. no need .. despite their increasing sales ...

What I am saying is .. itd be blissful ignorance (certainly in the UK) to jump on the BuyAnythingThatsNewBandwagon - cough up the £400 to get a 'new' model that is thinner, flatter, longer and lighter .... and a bit quicker .. tell you what . I'll save the cash and get up earlier in the morning to allow for my iPhone 4's 'sluggish' behaviour ... and spend the money on something else .. or hey .. I could save it .. and NOT spend it on whatever Apple reckon everyone else IS buying ...

Trouble is Im in a double minority here .. UK .. and ... on O2 .. what were the chances of finding anyone else in similar setup ... hello?! Hello? :eek:
 
Apple said the "majority" will be delivered on 9/21, so that would be at least more than 1 million. The others will likely slip into October.

Then it means that a majority of handsets were pre-ordered in the first hour, with the other 23 hours seeing much lower pre-orders.

Doesn't seem too logical to me, but Apple has the raw data, we don't.
 
Just a few innovations that we know of;
- A chip that is designed specifically for running iOS. Runs faster than 4core, double the ram, higher speed chips.
- Most possibly higher LTE speeds vs other phones in the market (yet to be tested).
- In-cell touch panel, that will reduce energy use.
- Integrated body style that uses the back plate as the skeleton.
- A new way to take panaroma pictures rather than stitching up several pictures.

I do not understand how these are not innovation.

Because it doesn't have NFC :p </sarcasm>
 
You're confused. Most of the people correcting the pro-Apple FUD from the "Apple does no wrong!" crowd are not Frandroids or Samsung-ites, they're Apple product users.

And MacRumors is not necessarily a "Pro-Apple" website. It's a website about Apple rumors. No need to be "pro-Apple" or whatever the hell that means to be here. Just being interested in things related to Apple is enough.

Basically, don't mistake your opinion and bias as the rules of the forum.

strange, i didnt see the comment you were replying to advocate his opinion as the rules of the forum. can you quote that bit for us? thanks.

what i did see, was a comment alluding to the neurotic behavior of so-called haters -- those who gravitate to a special-interest website, largely populated by enthusiasts supportive of said special interest, and trash it. thats a neurosis. itd be like going to a Good Parenting forum and trashing breeders and kids. or a Star Wars site and slamming it. thats crazy. and im sure people do it. but it's still crazy.
 
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