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Then I’m still a little confused. What will be the distinction between regular F1 with an Apple TV sub and F1 TV Premium on Apple TV???
F1 TV Premium is being baked into the $12.99 Apple TV subscription. Pay your $12.99 and you get the lot.

For anyone deciding not to sub up will get to see a select few races free of charge throughout the season.
 
I'll be pretty surprised if this doesn't lead to either some tiers or a price increase overall.

One usually doesn't just pony up 3/4 of a Billion for the rights and eat the cost.
 
Production and commentary is controlled and owned by MLS; Apple just has the exclusive streaming distribution rights. I honestly think they did this to allow them to "test" their servers for a larger streaming deal in the future.
Possibly also to see how long their delay was.
When Amazon took the Premier League rights a few years back there was a 2 minute delay, by the time their deal ended, there was no delay.
 
I’m excited for this but it remains to be seen how they implement it. The streams need to be in 4K. There needs to be an interactive component. The commentary needs to be as good and knowledgeable as the Sky Sports F1 Team. They are the gold standard, unlike the ESPN pre-show commentators who were a bunch of clowns.

F1TV Premium is 4K HDR so we will be getting that. The F1TV presenters range from quite good to decent enough.
 
I'll be pretty surprised if this doesn't lead to either some tiers or a price increase overall.

One usually doesn't just pony up 3/4 of a Billion for the rights and eat the cost.
Probably, but if you look at the numbers:

13/mo * 12 = 156/year

F1 TV Pro was 85 and Premium was 130 so it still represents a decent price increase considering most F1 fans probably wouldn’t have paid for Apple TV otherwise.

Edit:

Actually I’m wrong. Apple TV annual sub is 100 (buried behind several menus, and who knows for how long…), less than F1 TV Premium was at 130…

Well yes this does seem like a good value if true.
 
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Probably, but if you look at the numbers:

13/mo * 12 = 156/year

F1 TV Pro was 85 and Premium was 130 so it still represents a decent price increase considering most F1 fans probably wouldn’t have paid for Apple TV otherwise.

Edit:

Actually I’m wrong. Apple TV annual sub is 100 (buried behind several menus, and who knows for how long…), less than F1 TV Premium was at 130…

Well yes this does seem like a good value if true.
I really doubt this is going to include F1TV premium, but we’ll see..

30+ YEARS ago in Germany I had something called the DF1 box.. it was a separate STB that only gave me F1 races - and some in between manufacturer, driver and sport back stories..it didn’t have any recordings or cached streaming.. but during RACES one could pick essentially ANY of the FIA feeds, cars, front/back/rear and some pits, and some track cameras - any one really, so one could pick the across from the pit lane angle and then a driver front and read and a tracking car front (to watch a head to head race) and maybe another car.. I can’t recall but I THINK it was 6 boxes max, or could select 4 and the STB specific remote had ~ 5-6 programmable buttons that allowed you to quick switch between some of your views and patterns and live back to the direct FIA feed, etc.. It was GREAT for a formula 1 fan. It was europes version of DirecTV NFL Sunday Package - but more expensive I think.

I WANT THAT again.. even better than the F1TV app and package, I want the custom REMOTE and the multiple angles, but with all the selectable BUGS along the bottom and sides, what I want to SEE.. they’d get me for maybe 250-300$ a season for THAT sort of offering.
 
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Apple also plans to “amplify the sport” through its other channels—Apple News, Apple Maps, Apple Music, and Apple Fitness+. There will even be a designated widget for iPhone home screens.

Oh joy..
I don't even know what that could mean for Apple Maps and Fitness+
I was wondering the same thing. To me that quote jut reads “Apple will find new ways to shove advertisements in your face.”

I was also wondering if Apple thinks it will get 3/4 $billion (over 5 years) worth of value for this deal. I’m no expert on this, but I just don’t see F1 being popular enough in the US to significantly add to the AppleTV subscriber base. For those that were already paying for AppleTV and F1TV subscriptions, this will save them money. Those who were previously only paying for F1TV (especially Premium) might come over just for that. Then what?
 
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I was wondering the same thing. To me that quote jut reads “Apple will find new ways to shove advertisements in your face.”

I was also wondering if Apple thinks it will get 3/4 $billion (over 5 years) worth of value for this deal. I’m no expert on this, but I just don’t see F1 being popular enough in the US to significantly add to the AppleTV subscriber base. For those that were already paying for AppleTV and F1TV subscriptions, this will save them money. Those who were previously only paying for F1TV (especially Premium) might come over just for that. Then what?

Can just see the Apple Fitness instructors jumping around with F1 driver suits on ... lmao
 
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Here's my concern. While I watch every F1 race, I no longer stay up late/get up early to watch them. I time shift nearly all of them, even the ones in the Americas. So, will I be able to watch the races when I want, and do so without spoilers? I'm looking at MLS in the TV app right now and while it looks like I can watch older matches from this season, the final score of the match is right across the title card. It would suck for me if it said Race Name and Podium Finishers right across it before I started to watch.
 
I was wondering the same thing. To me that quote jut reads “Apple will find new ways to shove advertisements in your face.”

I was also wondering if Apple thinks it will get 3/4 $billion (over 5 years) worth of value for this deal. I’m no expert on this, but I just don’t see F1 being popular enough in the US to significantly add to the AppleTV subscriber base. For those that were already paying for AppleTV and F1TV subscriptions, this will save them money. Those who were previously only paying for F1TV (especially Premium) might come over just for that. Then what?
F1 relatively is NOT very popular in the USA.. weekend races (And that’s across three days) average about 1.1-1.3 viewers per race weekend (some races higher like Vegas, COTA, Miami - the biggest) and other races are lower - probably Singapore, Japan, Australia, maybe Azerbaijan. While 2x from 7 years ago, it hasn’t really grown in the past three years. Not much at least.

It’s just a relatively TINY audience, it’s about 1/15th a regular NFL game (per team similar number of viewing windows), about 1/5 an MLB regional championship game, (baseball has SOO MANY games per team the volume is overwhelming) F1 USA is better than WNBA (~ 700k per game but probably growing much faster) and regular NHL but still less than Indy car..

For $700 investment, I probably would have found a way to get more WNBA rights and features and bring THAT to Apple TV+. Apple TV
 
Here's my concern. While I watch every F1 race, I no longer stay up late/get up early to watch them. I time shift nearly all of them, even the ones in the Americas. So, will I be able to watch the races when I want, and do so without spoilers? I'm looking at MLS in the TV app right now and while it looks like I can watch older matches from this season, the final score of the match is right across the title card. It would suck for me if it said Race Name and Podium Finishers right across it before I started to watch.
THIS.. yes gone are the days of my youth watching in the middle of the night races around the world, or learning to actually program the Betamax (YES, I had a BETA MAX!) to record a show in the middle of the night - programming the VCR was probably only achievable by 1% of the population - it was really just about learning how to program THE CLOCK on the VCR/VHS/BETAMX and then all the other pieces fell into place..

And the nice thing about being a formula 1 fan with a DVR in the USA for the past 25 years at least was the you could record the race weekends and hear NOTHING ABOUT IT for days/weeks so there was never any risk of hearing about who won, who moved up/down in the championship etc. - well unless there was some catastrophic crash or something, but that was it - nothing, not on networks ESPN, Sportscenter, NADA… I could watch when I wanted and never learn the outcome prior to actual watching.. even TODAY that’s nearly the same, it’s just not really reported on in the media outside of sports networks like ESPN - well because they want to since they are the broadcast network in the USA.
 
It’s a pretty poorly phrased release, hard to tell which “subscription” one is getting access to.

F1 TV Premium, F1’s own premier content offering, will continue to be available in the U.S. via an Apple TV subscription only and will be free for those who subscribe“

I find it hard to think that apple would essentially cut the price of ONE of these subscriptions in HALF - to zero essentially just when signing up for both.. we’ll see.
 
It’s a pretty poorly phrased release, hard to tell which “subscription” one is getting access to.

F1 TV Premium, F1’s own premier content offering, will continue to be available in the U.S. via an Apple TV subscription only and will be free for those who subscribe“

I find it hard to think that apple would essentially cut the price of ONE of these subscriptions in HALF - to zero essentially just when signing up for both.. we’ll see.

Multiple other outlets have been reporting on the details and they all say F1TV Premium will become part of the basic Apple TV subscription.
 
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Assuming that F1 coverage is included with the subscription, and assuming that TMobile continues to include said subscription without raising pricing. I might actually watch some races next year ... I know, a lot of assumptions ;)
 
Including sports with the tv streaming service with select races available for free to anyone in the tv app without a subscription is the correct format and seems aimed at avoiding the problems with MLS getting gated behind a paywall when it has yet to build a sufficient fanbase.

The Sports app and Apple News integrations will help grow F1's fanbase while exposing existing tv subscribers to the sport. I hope Apple adapts MLS to this format.

It sucks that outside the US, we won't get this but I hope Apple's production technology gets built into the televised experience across all F1 broadcasters. The driver facing cameras and forward facing helmet cams Apple developed for the film are exactly what is needed to amplify F1 into an exciting first person view. Seeing a shot of cars going around a track doesn't convey the speed and intensity of a race that a driver experiences.
 
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