Apple Announces Safari 4

+1 ^^^ what happens if my son's favorite porn site is one of his TOP SITES? (Again, hypothetically!:eek:):D

You can edit them. Remove the porn site, pin all the rest of them to stop it showing up again (or make sure you use private browsing).

Incidentally, I think it would be awesome if you could set certain sites to automatically view in private browsing mode (such as my... uhm... bank).

Also, anybody seen the web-app maker?
 
Coverflow in your history?

Apple's starting to go slightly over the top with the coverflow now i think

I gotta say, I don't user cover flow ANYWHERE. I don't use it in iTunes (I like my text lists) and I don't use it in Finder (I do most of my heavy file management via the command line, it's just the kind of boring guy I am). I find that these features are mostly for the "cool" factor and don't really improve my work.

Cover flow history, on the other hand, is really nice and practical. Why? Because as someone who uses text when I click and hold my back button in my browser, it's not very useful if some page I'm going through has the same title over and over or some really long title prefaced with: "Domain.com — Home of all things Domain.com Related: Now viewing... <the part of the title I cared about>"

And sometimes titles aren't even helpful. This is not a feature I would use even daily, but when I'll want to use it I'll be all too happy it's there.

In other news they've changed the tab positioning to be like Chrome's. I don't know how happy that makes me, but it doesn't bother me either. It'll just take some getting used to. The have a new "top sites" feature which is like Opera's thing and the first thing I did was turn it off. (I feel like a cranky old man. I have my homepage and that's all I need!)

They've also integrated the "add bookmark" button into the address bar. This is really, really annoying for the minimalist in me because I know how to use command + D and now I have a button frozen up there. On the upside they've integrated the stop/reload button into the right of the address bar. I like the change, though I don't know that I would have noticed it if someone here hadn't pointed it out.

There is a new "Open in Dashboard" feature I haven't played with at all yet. I haven't a clue what I would use that for.

The new history shown as you type in the address bar is much improved. It breaks things into categories.

For the web geeks out there, they've modified the document inspector (Safari's answer to Firebug) and while I have only glanced at it thus far it looks like an improvement in the way it's integrated now.

With the exception of the integrated bookmarks button and my lukewarm feeling about the tab placement (I don't love it, I don't hate it) I like what I've need in the first 10 minutes.

Now here's to hoping version 4 is more stable than version 3 and is less prone to giving me the beach ball. Version 3 wasn't terrible, but it gave me problems often enough to gripe about, especially with sites containing crappy JavaScript.

looks like a complete Google Chrome rip off now :(

Yeah, because a browser is defined entirely by the placement of the tabs.
 
Works great on my 1st Gen MBA - it's very fast and I love the Google Chrome like Top Sites feature.
However, the tabs on top (again from Chrome?) is absolutely horrible and simply doesn't work :mad:
 
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Does anyone know how to turn on Topsites and coverflow??? I just downloaded it on windows xp and spent 50 minutes looking for it :confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:

Hmm, since you're now the third person to say this (including me), maybe this feature isn't supported in Windows?
 
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Best thing about it for me by far. Web Devs can now test IE6 for windows from within Safari! Overall the dev tools are simply stunning.
 
Wow this thing is fast! I can't even blink from the time I click on a new site and wait for it to load. This might make me too productive... scary
 
I should also say that I love the new UI. Especially with the bookmarks bar disabled. The window chrome (hah) is tiny. Much larger area for browsing!

With the top sites feature, what I like to do is make a new window, resize it until it's tiny, and load the top sites there.

EDIT: Oh, and check out the CSS Animations posted here a while ago.
 

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I remember the first time I tried Chrome, I was like 'tabs at the top! Which idiot thought of that!' but then, due to Safari always crashing on my windows machine I switched to Chrome for a while and the more I used it the sense it made. I prefer them on top.

Remember. This is a beta. I'm sure there will be a refresh button in the final version and maybe even a chance to swap the tabs back down.
 
Tabs on top is THE WORST interface idea EVER. Apple's UI designers have gone idiotic with this invention.

Tabs now double as the windows movement bar, and by God how many times have I shifted Safari because I was trying to change the tabs. And how many times Tabs doesn't work because it thinks I'm trying to move the window rather than click the tab. Chrome doesn't have this problem because there is extra area above the tab bar to use as window movement.

Not only that, but by God has Apple gone mad with the zooming in!??!?! It's WAY too sensitive. I'm browsing a website, scrolling down and oops, I just made the Zoom in function! Now it's just zoomed way too in. Try to zoom out... OOoops! Now it's zoomed way too out. Trackpad is entirely useless for this feature.

FU Apple, you take 10 steps forward and twenty steps back. I don't see you guys innovating much anymore, you steal Chrome's UI, steal Opera's start page, and make functionality that was great in Firefox and Chrome horrible.
 
Okay, so I rename Safari.app to Safari 3.app ... and the installer replaces Safari 3.app with Safari 4 Beta. :eek:

If you want to keep Safari 3, better rename it AND move it somewhere else, AND make a copy while you're at it!

If anyone manages to have the two versions at the same time, please tell me!

There is no point in doing that. The most important parts of Safari, ie. the HTML and JavaScript engines are installed as frameworks in System/Library, so even if you copied Safari.app someplace else, it wouldn't work with updated frameworks or you would get some kind of hybrid Safari 3 application with Safari 4 engine.

Just install Safari 4, and if you don't like it, uninstall with the included uninstaller.
 
anyone find out how ...

anyone find out how to get safari 3 bookmarks back?!? Only the menu bar bookmarks are there.
 
I've always wanted to like Safari, but it just never did it for me. I'm a FF3 user now, but I'm not all about that either. This could sway me, but I have to wait until I get home from work first. :(
 
Internet Explorer has had this feature for years: press F11 on IE for Windows and there it is.

He's not talking about full screen viewing. He's talking about full page zoom. Instead of just increasing text size (or, actually, anything denoted in CSS as having width or height in "em") it increases everything, including images. It's a good usability feature. You have the option to tell Safari to increase text size only.

IE has ALWAYS lagged on this feature. Opera allowed you to zoom everything and Firefox let you zoom the fonts, no matter how they were declared (px, pt, %, em, name) whereas in IE you were limited to just name and maybe em, I don't remember.

Opera beat everyone to this a long, long time ago. Someone mentioned earlier that Safari has copied Chrome and, to a lesser extend, Firefox. I gotta say, other than the tab position most of the copying I'm seeing is from Opera. (Of course, most people don't realize how many browser innovations were copied from Opera before being copied again to another source.)
 
So far, everything loads way faster.

I just hope S4 is not as huge of a memory hog as S3. I mean, half of my 4GB on my iMac just locked away in S3!
 
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