Apple Announces Safari 4

[Virgil-TB2]

I'm sorry, if the tabs are placed like this, yeah, it kinda does.

That's like SAAB, whose only feature distinguishing them from other GM brands like Vauxhall, Holden, Opel is the key lock between the front seats. Except placing the tabs on top where the title bar is supposed to be is like putting the blinker lever into the glove box. No good reason for it, and it doesn't serve any other purpose than to be different and confusing.

I'll stick to Firefox 3.1b2:

I know you only posted this so you could talk about the car, but this is just a dumb thing to say.

You may disagree with the reason for it, but to say there isn't a reason when the pictures you yourself posted show it is just stupid. The reason is to have more space for the page instead of having an extra bar. It's pretty obvious too.

 

[diamond.g]

I wonder how long it will take Apple to make the tabs separate processes.

 

[VSMacOne]

For anybody else who's having trouble with Safari 4 crashing at launch, you need to remove Glims from your system and then re-install Safari 4.
That should fix the problem.

 

[guitarman777]

Sounds like you had a latent drive issue and this just brought it to light. I'd get a copy of DiskWarrior and run it on there (or just take the machine in for service, your call).

jW

That does appear to be the case... although that's just my mind putting things together as I haven't seen anyone else with as major an issue as I've got. I did notice someone else with the bouncing-icon-leading-to-nothing issue, but his uninstalled fine.

 

[cal6n]

These both use a hack. It's up to those guys to re-hack the new Safari, not for Safari to support the hack.

Just sayin.

I know. That's why I phrased my comment the way i did.

However, until these fine hackers do their stuff, I'll be sticking with the pre-beta webkit goodness.

 

[JFreak]

I'm really liking Safari 4. And, though I thought I wouldn't, I also like the new tab location. Very good use of otherwise useless space. It takes some getting used to, but it's a nice space saver.

I thought that too, initially, but I also soon found out that it is not easy enough to change tabs with this new system. Far too easily it begins to move the whole window, when I want to tap to next tab. Granted, I only have the trackpad so my mousing is not that accurate, but still it's more annoying than the Safari3-style "wasted" space. I really like that I can move the window from the "wasted" space and change tabs by clicking on one. The two are not working very well together, IMO.

 

[mindstorm07]

this is awful

What did they do to this thing "Safari" I am running it right now and its looks terrible....given that it does look like it fits right into windows....so much so that it looks like a mutated clone of IE 8 which I also run. I must say i really don't like the look at all, and i wish there was an option to change it back. The buttons have all been put into different places more similar to IE, and the tab bar is straight out of Chrome (but not done as well). All the Windows version of Safari 4 looks like to me is a direct ploy to get people to switch away from IE....but in my opinion i dont want to switch to something that resembles what I just left. All I can say is thank god Firefox exists in the first place and that 3.1 is on the way....cause hell if IE or Safari were my only two options I may just have to use Opera UHH!!

 

[Virgil-TB2]

if this release is so innovative, why are those highlighted features either irrelevant or already available on Firefox?

FireFox has tabs in the title bar? News to me.

FireFox has cover-flow? Actually not.

There is a plug-in made by someone else that has something that approximates "Top Sites" but that's about as close as I could find.

Most importantly ... FireFox has a browser as fast as Safari?

Nope!

 

[a.beautiful.lie]

Hi,

not sure if this was there before, but there is a new window called activity. It gives a breakdown of objects on an open page.

 

[guitarman777]

Restart and hold down cmd + S at the gong.

At the command line type "fsck -fy" without the quotes and hit return.

Anything more ambitious will require diskwarrior.

For the ignorant minds in the room, what *should* happen when I do this, or should I assume that if nothing happens it didn't work?

As worst case would be sending it in for a new hard disk (or buying a new one & installing it myself), here's a 2nd-to-worst-case, how easy would it be for me to completely erase my hard disk & do a restore from Time Machine?

 

[marvelouspatric]

okay, so i don't really care for the new enlarge everything feature. i just want the text to be a bit bigger - not the images. grrrr. i wish i could set that. also, the multi-touch on my macbook pro seems to be way insensitive. i used to be able to easily just grow the text or shrink it with multi-touch, now it goes all the way. grrr again.

does it do the thing chrome does where you can kill a tab if it's not working and not crash the browser? or does it just try to look like chrome?

 

[JFreak]

The toolbar has minimal options in this beta. I would like to have the Stop/Reload button back.

Yes you can have it. First write some defaults to revert back to Safari3 look, then customize your toolbar: drag the default toolbar back in place, then remove whatever you don't need. Problem solved (except that you now have two reload buttons, the old one where it's supposed to be plus the new one on the right)

 

[Anonymous Freak]

Looks good on older XP PC, Core Duo MBP, fast-fast.

On my work Pentium 4 - 3.6 GHz, 1 GB RAM, and GeForce 6200LE graphics, it appears to be Snappy™. (I had been using Chrome almost exclusively on this computer.) Apple even did a nice job making sure it looks good in the "Windows Classic" theme. (I can't stand XP's default big-blobby blue and green and red look. Screenshot included.) This computer did not have Safari on it before; so all settings were default.

Installed on my 2.0 GHz Core Duo MacBook Pro with 2 GB RAM this morning before heading out, but haven't had time to play with it on there.

When I get home, I'll install it on my fast PC, too.

One minor annoyance: I told it *NOT* to install Apple Software Update, and it did anyway.

 

[mrkgoo]

A lot of the complaints of any new UI (including Safari 4) are probably better attributed to user familiarity with the old, rather than actually being 'worse' in the new.

You can bet if tabs were always in the title bar and then they moved them down below the bookmarks bar, the same people would probably complain about it not making sense there. Maybe.

I have yet to download, but I'm sure I'll find some things I don't like (examples already: missing loading bar, bookmarks button non-removable?), but I wouldn't say that the new one is 'worse' until I had a better chance to use it and get familiar with it.

 

[GGGUUUYYY]

alot faster.. but i hate the look on windows

 

[mdriftmeyer]

Only thing I would like now, is the option to let the download window disappear automatically after all downloads have finished.

I haven't downloaded it yet, but I don't think I will like the tabs being on top. I mean, it's just further away. I don't think I'll like the new loading animation either.

Frits

Read more posts to discover default writes to change the look.

 

[samfeldman]

Love it!

I love this new update! Some say Firefox offers the same things, sure, but this is such an amazing update to Safari. Since I have an iPhone, I like using Safari so I can keep my bookmarks up to date. Safari 4 even works on an internal work site I previously had to use Firefox to operate. I'm very impressed. And I love that Top Sites feature. Am I missing how I can edit it more thoroughly? I wish I could more easily add my own sites instead of letting it cycle through my most visited sites. And I love the top tabs, it really compacts the browser to just what it needs to be. But I love technology that gets out of my way and out of the way of the design of a webpage. (Firefox's top bar, with tabs open, is twice as big as this version of Safari.)

Anyway, really amazing. I'm in love again with Safari's clarity of design, unbelievably faster load times, and functional (not excessive) features.

 

[hdsalinas]

Can I edit the top site website address?

I like the new Safari TOP SITE feature. I just wish that I could edit the list so I could use it as a quick favorites launch pad. Is it posible?

 

[CTYankee]

FYI...Safari 4B and Growl Mail do not play well. You need to delete the GrowlMail bundle in the Library/Mail/Bundles folder or Mail quits on launch.

 

[HLdan]

Only thing I would like now, is the option to let the download window disappear automatically after all downloads have finished.

I haven't downloaded it yet, but I don't think I will like the tabs being on top. I mean, it's just further away. I don't think I'll like the new loading animation either.

Frits

Here here! I never understood why Apple didn't give the option like in FF to remove the download window after the download. Weird.

 

[ColinEC]

It'll take me a while to get used to the new tab position, but I really like the new browser.

Hi,

not sure if this was there before, but there is a new window called activity. It gives a breakdown of objects on an open page.

That's been there before

I like the new Safari TOP SITE feature. I just wish that I could edit the list so I could use it as a quick favorites launch pad. Is it posible?

Sure you can edit the list, just hit Edit on the bottom and you can delete or pin sites.

 

[Peace]

I can see coverflow coming to Safari for the iPhone pretty soon.

 

[Povilas]

Where did site download progress bar go? There is only spinner and no reload button, only small one on the right of the address bar. Fix that and we are good to go.

 

[nagromme]

Half these new changes I don't care about at all, a few are nice but no big deal, and only a couple sound really useful to me. And I'm not an early adopter anyway.

Until I started running Time Machine

What the heck--I'm going for it!

(Now a nightmarish vision of a Windows-native iTunes is stuck in my head.)

Where did site download progress bar go? There is only spinner and no reload button, only small one on the right of the address bar. Fix that and we are good to go.

I don't mind moving the Reload button, but I DO like the big on-top bar-graph progress meter a LOT better than the little subtle spinners that browsers have had for too long! I hope Safari 4 ends up keeping the progress bar.

 

[VSMacOne]

moving tabs around

Somebody was saying earlier that you can't move tabs around... that's not true.
If you click on the top right corner in the taskbar (the little lines in the corner of the tab) you can drag it to any position on the taskbar.