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Apple Announces Safari 4

Like It

Same as many others...

Love the speed and the Top Sites feature.

I don't like the Tabs on Top look and may command line it back to the old way (Thanks neilio!). I will give it a few weeks to be fair first though.

I miss the progress bar. In fact that alone may cause me to not use it.

The Develop Menu is great but I like the drag over the page way Firebug highlights divs/code better.
 
I'm still getting use to tab at the top of the window, it does free up a band about 20 pixels high for added content, thats good.

I'm still playing around with the Top Sites feature to configure it so its really useful for me. It looks like it has potential.

Biggest grips remaining about Safari 4:

  • no way to disable animated gifs

  • lousy cookie control, I want to be able to blacklist some domains (like advertisers such as doubleclick, etc)
    whitelist other domains (my bank and some news sites I go to regularly)
    and have everything else turned into session cookies

  • Built in support for ad filtering, right now I just privoxy but it would be nice to do it with Safari (without using InputManagers such as Safari AdBlock)
    I do use the ClickToFlash plugin and its really nice
 
jacobweber said:
Not sure if someone's posted this, but you can add a site to Top Sites. First click Edit in the Top Sites window. Then, in another window, open the site you want to add. Drag its icon from the address bar, into the Top Sites window. It will be added, and pinned so it stays there.

There's a bug where the Remove (X) button doesn't appear for the new site. But if you close the Top Sites window and open it again, it will appear.

One thing I haven't been able to figure out: some of my Top Sites appear with the top-right corner folded down, to reveal a little white star on a blue background. Clicking the star doesn't do anything special. Any idea what these are for?
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Thanks for the tip on adding a site to the Top Sites. There's a problem with the automated process. I use iGoogle as my home page and visit it more frequently than any site, with the possible exception of MR. Yet, it wouldn't show as one of my top sites, no matter how many times I clicked on the site. This tip is a good workaround.

As for the star in the corner:
Wonder which sites have changed since your last visit? Sites with a star in the upper-right corner have new content.
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From: http://www.apple.com/safari/whats-new.html
 
Absolutely one of the BEST browsers I have ever used, hands down. It's ever so quick to respond, and I just love the UI a lot.

This is coming from a guy who is fanatical about different browsers, and adhering to open standards. I like to try out several browsers - my current favourites are Safari 4 and Firefox 3, though Camino isn't all that bad either, neither is Flock. :)
 
how can I send Apple feedback about putting that blue bar back in? I keep thinking web pages aren't loading because I'm so used to it and let's be honest, it's a Safari staple.

It's not a bug and that's the only feedback button Apple provides.

It's true, you only appreciate something when you don't have it anymore :(
 
tedson said:
I'm still getting use to tab at the top of the window, it does free up a band about 20 pixels high for added content, thats good.

I'm still playing around with the Top Sites feature to configure it so its really useful for me. It looks like it has potential.

Biggest grips remaining about Safari 4:

  • no way to disable animated gifs

  • lousy cookie control, I want to be able to blacklist some domains (like advertisers such as doubleclick, etc)
    whitelist other domains (my bank and some news sites I go to regularly)
    and have everything else turned into session cookies

  • Built in support for ad filtering, right now I just privoxy but it would be nice to do it with Safari (without using InputManagers such as Safari AdBlock)
    I do use the ClickToFlash plugin and its really nice
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try using Glimmer blocker http://glimmerblocker.org/, its not an input manager sits in system preferences acts as a proxy on your machine to filter web content ;)
 
OS X Dude said:
how can I send Apple feedback about putting that blue bar back in? I keep thinking web pages aren't loading because I'm so used to it and let's be honest, it's a Safari staple.

It's not a bug and that's the only feedback button Apple provides.

It's true, you only appreciate something when you don't have it anymore :(
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Just use the bug icon. Apple will know what you mean.
 
guitarman777 said:
For the ignorant minds in the room, what *should* happen when I do this, or should I assume that if nothing happens it didn't work?

As worst case would be sending it in for a new hard disk (or buying a new one & installing it myself), here's a 2nd-to-worst-case, how easy would it be for me to completely erase my hard disk & do a restore from Time Machine?
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Sorry it took so long to get back to you, I went home and had my dinner...

Starting and holding cmd + S should get you into single user mode. It's like running the machine from a terminal window.

"fsck -fy" runs a file system check with the required forcing options. This is the routine that diskutility calls.

Not sure about your second option. I don't use timemachine, sorry.
 
hacksaw-C87 said:
Preferences --> Auto Fill --> Other Forms --> Edit --> Remove All. (This is for the website)

There used to be a feature to clear it on Safari 3... perhaps this will do the job...
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Not quite what I was looking for but thanks for helping. The only way I found was to clear history.
 
Well, I'll tell you this... the windows version is fugly... All the things I liked about Safari for Windows are gone... no more Apple-like animations and all... iikes.. I'm getting Safari 3 again, as fast as possible!!!

k, I know it is a bèta... but really... they should not change the lay-out for Windows...
 
Someone on CNN posted that GMail was having issues. I don't really use it...

I've been using Safari all day on a variety of sites and its been pretty rock solid. The Tabs are a little weird to get used to, but that's fine. My only complaint is that it uses IE's proxy settings. It STILL doesn't have proxy management like Firefox. This was a common complaint on Safari 3 too.
 
General Thoughts

Very very quick, nice update.I like the top site feature and cover flow is pretty nice ( but takes up too much space for my taste making it useless ). I also like how it saves vertical space.

Zoom -wow probably the last major browser to get this feature (good anyway) and I don't like how you can only see 6 tabs at one time.

For Windows Version

The 'x' (on tab) should be on the right to be more consistent with windows. Making the the tabs aero is poor design (well at least they used it).If they are going to put the tabs at the top they should make it look like chrome has it for example.
 
So far so good. Downloaded and working fine.
A few gripes though:

> There should be an easy way to personalize the Top Sites area. Maybe I am missing something big, but there should an option to make something in your bookmarks be part of Top Sites (rather than just closing a window in Top Sites and continuing to hope that your site pops up from history.

> +1 to the blue progress bar, though I am sure I will get used to that...

Other than that, looking nice!
 
anyone else see irony in the google chrome add that is appearing for me at least in this thread...
to bad there isnt a mac version..well i cared prior to today at least...
 

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Innovative new features in Safari 4 include:
Top Sites, a display of frequently visited pages in a stunning wall of previews so users can jump to their favorite sites with a single click;

Full History Search, where users search through titles, web addresses and the complete text of recently viewed pages to easily return to sites they’ve seen before;

Cover Flow, to make searching web history or bookmarks as fun and easy as paging through album art in iTunes®;

Tabs on Top, for better tabbed browsing with easy drag-and-drop tab management tools and an intuitive button for opening new ones;

Smart Address Field, that automatically completes web addresses by displaying an easy-to-read list of suggestions from Top Sites, bookmarks and browsing history;

Smart Search Field, where users fine-tune searches with recommendations from Google Suggest or a list of recent searches;

Full Page Zoom, for a closer look at any website without degrading the quality of the site’s layout and text;

built-in web developer tools to debug, tweak and optimize a website for peak performance and compatibility; and

a new Windows-native look in Safari for Windows, that uses standard Windows font rendering and native title bar, borders and toolbars so Safari fits the look and feel of other Windows XP and Windows Vista applications.
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top sites - Opera (http://opera.com) has this for LONG time.
full history - both Opera and firefox has this. again for a while now.
coverflow - this is probably new.
tabs on top - its funny how safari "innovates" all of a sudden after google's Chrome.
smart address field - both Opera and firefox has it.
full page zoom - Opera has it for the longest time.
developer tools - Opera and firefox has it built in. again for a long time.

a native look on windows. how's this a feature? it sounds like an improvement.

yah, so much for "innovation" when most of them seems like "borrowed" from other browsers. of course,, apple never steals ideas from others, thus it's "borrowed".
 
Can you no longer move tabs around or pull them off to make a new window?

EDIT: nvm, figured out you have to pull the corner. Any way you can change it so that it works when you click anywhere on the tab? Also, moving them around seems to be a lot stickier, the other tabs are very forceful about moving back into place.
 
diamond.g said:
They should add a dynamic status bar when hovering over links (much like how Chrome does it). It is annoying (and potentially unsafe) to not be able to see where a link may take you (without having to turn on the Status bar).
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I prefer the Status bar method. It's annoying to hover over a link and get a pop-up. It's much cleaner keeping that information in the same location, at the bottom of the screen.
CaptainScarlet said:
Anyone else notice you can drag tabs to different windows now?
Pretty cool...
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That's not new. You could do that with Safari 3.
hdsalinas said:
I like the new Safari TOP SITE feature. I just wish that I could edit the list so I could use it as a quick favorites launch pad. Is it posible?
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hdsalinas said:
Yes but you can only delete them or keep the wites that Safari thinks are your favorites. You can add new websites or edit their address.
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jhlane27 said:
I don't think you can. Yes you can delete or pin sites, but I believe he's asking if he can specifically say what sites he can put there.
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illegallydead said:
So far so good. Downloaded and working fine.
A few gripes though:

> There should be an easy way to personalize the Top Sites area. Maybe I am missing something big, but there should an option to make something in your bookmarks be part of Top Sites (rather than just closing a window in Top Sites and continuing to hope that your site pops up from history.
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Yes, you can. See this post:https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/7160625/
stone315 said:
Can you no longer move tabs around or pull them off to make a new window?
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Yes, you can still do that. You just need to grab the top right corner of the tab.
Nimble Cat said:
I'm just disappointed my Gmail isn't working with this. I really like it otherwise.
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Gmail is working fine on Safari 4
 
I think the BIGGEST thing that will keep me on Firefox for now is Keyword Searching.

Typing "g blah blah" and it searching Google for "blah blah" is the best. It just beats anything else.

It is much snappier and quicker than Firefox for me, especially when viewing HUGE pages, such as comment sections on failblog.org -- those go SLOW on FF.

I like it, but I don't think it'll be a primary for a little while.
 
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