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A lot of the complaints of any new UI (including Safari 4) are probably better attributed to user familiarity with the old, rather than actually being 'worse' in the new.

You can bet if tabs were always in the title bar and then they moved them down below the bookmarks bar, the same people would probably complain about it not making sense there. Maybe.
The placement isn't necessarily the issue. My issue with the new tab bar isn't that the tab bar is above the address bar — I use Opera at work and I think tabs-above works fine — but that the tab bar is part of the title bar. It confuses the functionality of both:
- You can't drag anywhere in a tab to reposition it or move it to another window — you have to grab a little icon on one side of the tab.
- You can't double-click anywhere to add a new tab (because double-clicking the title bar minimizes a window).
The extra ten pixels of screen real estate that you gain by merging the two doesn't make up for the design issues it introduces, IMO.

Also, they further muddied the UI by using the same icons for different things: + for "Add bookmark" and "New tab", and the lined triangle for resizing the window and reposistioning tabs. Especially with the lined triangle appearing near the top right corner, it wouldn't be unreasonable for users to confuse it with the same icon in the lower right corner.

I don't mind the new can't-get-rid-of-it Add Bookmark button in the address bar, but it seems arbitrary at best. If someone wanted an Add Bookmark button to the left of the address field, they could always add it there; but if someone doesn't, you can no longer remove it (without hacking the prefs).

Same goes for the Mobile Safari-style Refresh/Stop button, but it is a little less arbitrary. On one hand it doesn't make sense to remove the flexibility of customizing the tool bar as you want, but on the other, it is one more way to make mobile & desktop Safari more similar. When they changed the Mobile Safari search field style to be more like desktop Safari, I initially didn't like it; but over time, I found I didn't care much one way or the other.

The omission of the blue progress bar in the address field is odd, too, but as others have poitned out, it's mentioned on the Safari webpages so perhaps it's just a beta fluke.
 
As mentioned previously by someone else, my currency converter widget seems to be borked. I'm getting weird rates, like 1 USD = 0.022 Euros. Either my widget is out of wack or the world economy has collapsed.
 
Tabs on bottom:

Code:
defaults write com.apple.Safari DebugSafari4TabBarIsOnTop false

Blue progress bar and reload/stop button:

Code:
defaults write com.apple.Safari DebugSafari4IncludeToolbarRedesign -bool NO
defaults write com.apple.Safari DebugSafari4LoadProgressStyle -bool NO

Works great.
 
As mentioned previously by someone else, my currency converter widget seems to be borked. I'm getting weird rates, like 1 USD = 0.022 Euros. Either my widget is out of wack or the world economy has collapsed.

I almost believed it, too...I thought the Swiss Franc had collapsed in a day ;)

But no, not yet...the widget is really broken for now ;)
 
Weren't Leopard and Safari 3 released almost simultaneously? Does this mean that Snow Leopard is imminent?
Safari 3 public beta: June 11, 2007
Safari 3 official release: October 26, 2007 (along with Leopard)
If the same pattern follows, we may be looking for a June/July release of SL.
 
I love the opening video and the most visited sites page. Idea was rough in Chrome... (ironically), but Apple has made it very elegant.

Not quite sure how i feel about top tabs, yet, but maybe it will grow on me.

oh, and btw... Safari is snappier! (tm) :cool:

edit:

WHY IS THERE NO STOP/REFRESH BUTTON? </freaking out>
 
After playing with the browser some more i have to say i am very impressed. The dev features are much better than anything i have used in the past and the interface, although not perfect is far better than other browsers at the moment.

One feature i really think they should have added was firefox's ability to add more site search options such as youtube. Being restricted to just google and yahoo is not the best.

Of course being a beta there are some bugs, a large one being that the browser outright locks up when trying to log into an squirrel mail based webmail system.

If these issues can be seen to by the final release however then apple have a real winner. I just hope MS starts to pay attention with IE after this.
 
Ok, I have it now.

Not too many issues. A particular website I visit now has a database error and completely does not load.

But other than that it has been smooth sailing so far.

My connection at work is fast, and Safari feels blazing on it now. I don't mind the new load icon - it disturbs me less than I thought.

The new tabs will take a short while to get used to , but I like it. There is much more space. The only thing is I occasionally shift the entire window as I select a tab.

Top sites looks interesting. Not sure I find the bookmarks coverflow all that useful.

It's interesting that Apple is making Safari a public beta - it's like they recognise how important web browsing is as a primary computer use. I realise they did it for Safari 3 before Leopard released too.
 
I wish I could customize the images of my Top Sites. For example, I wish I could put in a picture of the Facebook logo instead of seeing a cluttered News Feed.

I guess I'll just suggest it as a Bug...
 
Not compatible with Active-x, .net or asp?

What about most corporate and lately sites that are using Active-X, .NET, ASPX that keeps telling me I have to use Internet Explorer to work properly? I mean lets not forget that 90% of the planet is still owned by Microsoft.
 
Why is there still a "Hide Tab Bar" option that is always grayed out?
It used to be available if you only had one tab open and didn't want the tab bar to show. As soon as you opened a 2nd tab, if I remember correctly, it grayed out. It's grayed out now, because there are always 2 tabs open: the page you're on, and the "+" add-tab button, in another "tab".
 
Login issues?

Haven't tried the Mac version yet, but on Windows, I can't make Safari 4 play nicely with pages within a password-protected site (it's not using https, but Safari 3 and lower -- not to mention all other browsers -- are fine with it). It's as if Safari 4 can't retain session variables. Have sent a bug report to Apple FWIW.
 
Using it--and I like it. It's iPhone-like, in a good way. (Except for the missing progress bar.)

I can now pinch-zoom with my trackpad, which I've been doing out of habit ever since I got an iPhone... and now it actually does that I expect :) (Except the pinch gesture is way too sensitive in my view--hard to get just a little zoom. The AA buttons work better for me.)

I kind of don't like the new tabs, from a pure "resistance to change" perspective, but I can see the advantages and I doubt I'll mind by tomorrow. It's one less line of wasted UI space, and that's nice. I hope it becomes a standard UI ability offered to other apps in Snow Leopard / Xcode. Other apps use tabs, and I'd just as soon they all worked the same. One issue: I'm sometimes accidentally nudging my window around when selecting a new tab. A little mouse wiggle didn't use to matter--but now it's the drag bar too, and it matters. Not often, but I notice.

I like the cleaner look, with + and Stop/Reload merged into the address field, and no more divider line above the bookmarks bar. (Yes, there still is a Stop function, not just Refresh, despite earlier posts to the contrary.) And the sharper edging on the address/search fields.

WebKit CSS animation works now--just like on iPhone. If I disable plugins so my site's Flash doesn't work, my WebKit CSS animation automatically steps in to replace it :) (Regardless of whether I spoof mobile Safari or not.)

And I'm glad to now have the stuff other browsers already had built-in, like search auto-complete. Now I can have that stuff AND the things I like about Safari.

A good beta. Looking forward to the final.

(I bet this would be bigger news if I was on Windows. I HATE having apps that use some other OS's UI style. Much as I like the Mac UI, if I were a heavy Windows user, the old Safari 3 would have bugged me. The new one looks "right." I guess Apple isn't trying to pull an iTunes anymore--getting people used to the Mac UI--and is focusing instead on browser market share. Which is huge, if you count all WebKit browsers together!)
 
It used to be available if you only had one tab open and didn't want the tab bar to show. As soon as you opened a 2nd tab, if I remember correctly, it grayed out. It's grayed out now, because there are always 2 tabs open: the page you're on, and the "+" add-tab button, in another "tab".

Well that's what I mean though, why did they keep it at all?
 
well im glad that the blue loading bar could be brought back!

however... i do miss my inquisitor plug in, anyway to get that to work?

also, my weatherbug widget stopped working..
 
Okay, I'm trying it out now.

Cover Flow bookmarks: YES!
Tab bar at the top: HECK NO. I currently hate this nonsense.
Top Sites thing: Cool, but can you even go to them by clicking?

Whoa... NOW I can... That's pretty cool. Can you directly assign what sites go there?
 
Tabs on bottom:

Code:
defaults write com.apple.Safari DebugSafari4TabBarIsOnTop false

Blue progress bar and reload/stop button:

Code:
defaults write com.apple.Safari DebugSafari4IncludeToolbarRedesign -bool NO
defaults write com.apple.Safari DebugSafari4LoadProgressStyle -bool NO

Works great.

Good to know, but where do I edit these scripts?
 
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