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Apple Announces Safari 4

Anyone know how I can turn coverflow off?

I have over 5,000 bookmarks and it's crashing Safari everytime I try and view them.
 
Tallest Skil said:
Okay, I'm trying it out now.

Cover Flow bookmarks: YES!
Tab bar at the top: HECK NO. I currently hate this nonsense.
Top Sites thing: Cool, but can you even go to them by clicking?

Whoa... NOW I can... That's pretty cool. Can you directly assign what sites go there?
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See post #597
 
carrythebanner said:
The placement isn't necessarily the issue. My issue with the new tab bar isn't that the tab bar is above the address bar — I use Opera at work and I think tabs-above works fine — but that the tab bar is part of the title bar. It confuses the functionality of both:
- You can't drag anywhere in a tab to reposition it or move it to another window — you have to grab a little icon on one side of the tab.
- You can't double-click anywhere to add a new tab (because double-clicking the title bar minimizes a window).
The extra ten pixels of screen real estate that you gain by merging the two doesn't make up for the design issues it introduces, IMO.

Also, they further muddied the UI by using the same icons for different things: + for "Add bookmark" and "New tab", and the lined triangle for resizing the window and reposistioning tabs. Especially with the lined triangle appearing near the top right corner, it wouldn't be unreasonable for users to confuse it with the same icon in the lower right corner.

I don't mind the new can't-get-rid-of-it Add Bookmark button in the address bar, but it seems arbitrary at best. If someone wanted an Add Bookmark button to the left of the address field, they could always add it there; but if someone doesn't, you can no longer remove it (without hacking the prefs).

Same goes for the Mobile Safari-style Refresh/Stop button, but it is a little less arbitrary. On one hand it doesn't make sense to remove the flexibility of customizing the tool bar as you want, but on the other, it is one more way to make mobile & desktop Safari more similar. When they changed the Mobile Safari search field style to be more like desktop Safari, I initially didn't like it; but over time, I found I didn't care much one way or the other.

The omission of the blue progress bar in the address field is odd, too, but as others have poitned out, it's mentioned on the Safari webpages so perhaps it's just a beta fluke.
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You have good points. I guess I didn't notice these things since I rarely make new tabs using double-click (didn't even know you could do that) or rearrange them much. They did add a new tab button, which I think is a better solution than double click on an arbitrary location (well, I guess it was the tab bar).

They should've added a few more customisations for multitouch, however.

It's a work in progress though, and so far it feels pretty solid.

didn't searching the history used to search the text anyway? I always had spotlight find webpages whenever I looked for something.
 
CaptainScarlet said:
You can right click the title bar and select new tab to create a new tab quickly.

It adds about 1.5 secs to the operation.
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True, you can do that ... but you could do that in Safari v3, too. The double-click option was there in v3 (and in Firefox, Opera, etc.), but it's not in v4.

In any case, I've applied the tab bar pref hack and happily have the old tab bar behavior back. If I could get the new Refresh/Stop button combined with the old blue progress bar I'd be all set.
 
i can't get it too work, slows down my PC pretty bad and sucks up all the CPU, it's been running at 100% for the past few minutes and i haven't even tried using if yet, it's just sitting int he background..it's just my computer though, not Safari itself.
 
carrythebanner said:
True, you can do that ... but you could do that in Safari v3, too. The double-click option was there in v3 (and in Firefox, Opera, etc.), but it's not in v4.

In any case, I've applied the tab bar pref hack and happily have the old tab bar behavior back. If I could get the new Refresh/Stop button combined with the old blue progress bar I'd be all set.
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There is a plus sign on the right top to add a tab.

Single click.;)
 
defaults write com.apple.Safari DebugSafari4TabBarIsOnTop false

thanks for the above code!

How would i change it back though? Put true on the end?
 
Axemantitan said:
Weren't Leopard and Safari 3 released almost simultaneously? Does this mean that Snow Leopard is imminent?
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No.
This is a beta build.
Now, if we see this go to full on 4.0 "gold master" (does that apply to Apple's software like safari? Not really sure...) aka NOT BETA, then yes, get your pocketbooks ready and prepare for a new cat.

For now though, it means nothing. Just that they want to get it out in the wild before SL hits, whenever it does...
 
top websites page doesn't load correctly

I am trying on my XP PC and the top websites page only loads up half way. In MEDIUM view mode I only see 9 screens instead of 12. The small view, the screen is completely black, only LARGE view works.
Maybe it's a loading error...who knows.

It looks nice but I am not SUPER impressed yet.
 
Peace said:
There is a plus sign on the right top to add a tab.

Single click.;)
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Right, but it's fairly out of the way, whereas all you had to do before was double-click right next to an existing tab. Most of the time I cmd-T to make a new tab, but for times when I do use the mouse, I don't think that the new method is an improvement.

In any case, the button is still confusing because it's the same icon that's used for "Add Bookmark".
 
Just now using it on Windows 7 and it doesn't load images by default. Enable image loading in prefs.

Edit: Why doesn't Safari not have an "import bookmarks" option?
 
cwwilson said:
Just now using it on Windows 7 and it doesn't load images by default. Enable image loading in prefs.

Edit: Why doesn't Safari not have an "import bookmarks" option?
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On the Mac at least, it's under File > Import Bookmarks. I'd expect similar behavior on the PC.

jW
 
carrythebanner said:
Right, but it's fairly out of the way, whereas all you had to do before was double-click right next to an existing tab. Most of the time I cmd-T to make a new tab, but for times when I do use the mouse, I don't think that the new method is an improvement.

In any case, the button is still confusing because it's the same icon that's used for "Add Bookmark".
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That's one reason it's called a "beta" and another reason that little bug is on the top.
Apple wants your feedback. That's why it's a public beta.
 
well, they still have some features to add before it will beat firefox/minefield as my default browser.
- the "smart" address bar only searches by URL. If i type in macrumors in firefox it takes me here. in safari i gotta type forums. to take me here. also, if i type john lennon in the address bar it doesnt take me to the google results page for john lennon. Neither does g John Lennon, so I don't know about that.
- the RSS reader for firefox is way better than safari's. just my $.2
- i'd sure like the stop/refresh button to actually be a physical button, but thats just me.
 
mrkgoo said:
You have good points. I guess I didn't notice these things since I rarely make new tabs using double-click (didn't even know you could do that) or rearrange them much. They did add a new tab button, which I think is a better solution than double click on an arbitrary location (well, I guess it was the tab bar).
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I agree that a button is clearer (provided that you don't recycle an existing icon, of course), especially considering that once the tab bar is full of tabs, there's no room left to double-click. But they could've added a small button which is always at the right-edge of the tab bar (much like Firefox 3) to cover that, and _still_ allow double-clicking in the empty space.
 
cwwilson said:
Edit: Why doesn't Safari not have an "import bookmarks" option?
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Might be different in windows but File - Import Bookmarks

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