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I did some more searching and now recall how I did that. I use SafariStand, which has as one of the options:


So I'm guessing there's something incompatible between SafariStand and Safari 4. I can't give up Stand, since it also provides all my great right-click quick searches, that I use constantly:


Where did you get that purple mesh desktop wallpaper, I want that one! :) Could you please send a link?
 
I have just realised that when you try to bookmark google... it comes up with this message... ?? :confused:

That's old. That's been a part of safari since the google bar was introduced.

It just looks different in Safari 4 vs Safari 3:

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Where did you get that purple mesh desktop wallpaper, I want that one! :) Could you please send a link?
http://kon.deviantart.com/art/colorFLOW-77660578
 
Why is the mac community so accepting when Apple rips ideas off other companies? Yet when other companies rip off Apple it's lawsuit time?

Safari 4 is filled with features stolen from other browsers, namely Google Chrome and Opera.
 
Why is the mac community so accepting when Apple rips ideas off other companies? Yet when other companies rip off Apple it's lawsuit time?

Safari 4 is filled with features stolen from other browsers, namely Google Chrome and Opera.

Who cares which features came from which company or which company had them first??? Honestly, what difference does it make? If any copyright violations occurred, there would be lawsuits. That's like saying GM "stole" the air-conditioning "feature" from Ford! Or was it Chrysler who stole it from Ferrari??? Sheesh! It doesn't matter!!!! Pick the browser you like and use it!
 
Why is the mac community so accepting when Apple rips ideas off other companies? Yet when other companies rip off Apple it's lawsuit time?

Safari 4 is filled with features stolen from other browsers, namely Google Chrome and Opera.

because apple always adds there own touch. and they usually implement things better than most companies.
 
Why is the mac community so accepting when Apple rips ideas off other companies? Yet when other companies rip off Apple it's lawsuit time?

Safari 4 is filled with features stolen from other browsers, namely Google Chrome and Opera.

Because Steve Jobs is Jesus.
 
I agree, they're absolutely terrible.

You're also forced into having a "bookmark it" button since Apple has now made it part of the address bar. I always previously removed the bookmark button. And the stop/refresh button has completely disappeared.
Or Command-D

On the other hand, the full zoom feature is excellent. I can live with the horrible tabs just for that.

The lack of a stop/refresh button is inexcusable, however.
Zoom is way too fast. Not useable at this point.

I do love the speed of the new safari though. Pretty amazing stuff.
 
...placing the tabs on top where the title bar is supposed to be is like putting the blinker lever into the glove box. No good reason for it, and it doesn't serve any other purpose than to be different and confusing.
It's not like that at all, and yes, I know you were mostly likely exaggerating for effect. The reason for it — and it is a good one — is hierarchical.

The tab says "everything below me is this content." On Firefox, you had the tab below the address bar and the title bar, all of which (except for the bookmarks bar) applies to the tab.

Now, it would make sense to have the bookmarks above tabs, but then you're not really saving any screen real estate by moving the tabs above the address bar but still having a title bar. I'm not convinced that saving 10px of vertical real estate is that big of a deal, though.

So, I'm not saying it's perfect, but it's not as nonsensical as you're making it out to be by any means.

Because in the eyes of the fan boys Apple can do no wrong.

Oh grow up. None of these borrowed features are either patented or patentable.
 
On the whole I quite like it so far. The tabs at the top don't really bother me, and I suspect I will grow to appreciate the extra space more as time progresses.

One thing I've noticed though which nobody seems to have mentioned so far is - where has snapback gone? Initially I couldn't find the stop/reload button, and it didn't occur to me that it had moved to the end of the address bar as an almost identical icon (the snapback icon) has been there serving a completely different function for years.

Guess I must have been the only person in the world to have used this feature?

I'm also a little frustrated that Top Sites appears to be so arbitrary. When I first saw it I assumed it served a similar function to Opera's speed dial and started clearing out all the sites on the list, the plan being to substitute them with my own custom list. Annoyingly, it looks like this is something that can't be done.
 
Why is the mac community so accepting when Apple rips ideas off other companies? Yet when other companies rip off Apple it's lawsuit time?

Safari 4 is filled with features stolen from other browsers, namely Google Chrome and Opera.


And Firefox is riddled with features stolen directly from Opera - bookmark nicknames, full page zoom, the sidebar, ad nauseum. It's how software develops and evolves. What's the problem? That's about as ridiculous as saying that Google Chrome stole Safari's idea of basing itself on Webkit.
 
I'm also a little frustrated that Top Sites appears to be so arbitrary. When I first saw it I assumed it served a similar function to Opera's speed dial and started clearing out all the sites on the list, the plan being to substitute them with my own custom list. Annoyingly, it looks like this is something that can't be done.

It can, which I learned from an article somewhere. Open Top Sites in one window and click Edit at the bottom left. Open a new window, go to a site you want, then drag its icon (left of the url) onto the Top Sites window and it will drop in. Then pin it to Top Sites.

Not very intuitive to figure out, but it works well for turning Top Sites into visual bookmarks of your favorite sites.
 
because apple always adds there own touch. and they usually implement things better than most companies.
Yes, implementing a "non-removable" battery in the MacBook Pro is such a better method than having a standard removable battery.

Other than some extremely useless gloss and 3d effects, I fail to see a single thing here that Apple truly improved upon that isn't already available in Google Chrome or Firefox 3. The fact is that Apple hardly does things differently than anyone else; they just make it pretty and charge twice as much. Or, in the case of Safari, use twice the memory.
 
It can, which I learned from an article somewhere. Open Top Sites in one window and click Edit at the bottom left. Open a new window, go to a site you want, then drag its icon (left of the url) onto the Top Sites window and it will drop in. Then pin it to Top Sites.

Not very intuitive to figure out, but it works well for turning Top Sites into visual bookmarks of your favorite sites.


Perfect! Thanks for posting this :)
 
Other than some extremely useless gloss and 3d effects, I fail to see a single thing here that Apple truly improved upon that isn't already available in Google Chrome or Firefox 3.

How about full colour managed browsing (not available on Opera at all and has to be enabled as an option in Firefox)? How about 100% on the Acid3 test (compared to 71% on FF3)? Having faster javascript performance than pretty much every other browser out there is hardly what I'd call "useless gloss and 3d effects".

Didn't you also write this earlier in the thread?

Safari 4 is clearly a better web browser than Safari 3 because of the competition Safari faced from Google Chrome, IE8 and Firefox 3.

You just look to be contradicting yourself to me. Or maybe you're just feeling trollish today.
 
Has anyone had any problems with Safari 4 not running on a G5 PPC? When I install the beta, everything seems to be fine, but when I try and run it, it crashes. Anyone one know why this might be happening?

Before anyone asks, I do not have any Safari "hacks" installed.

This is great. I can't download the beta. Everytime I click download it just reloads the download page.

So no one has had problems installing Safari 4 on a PPC Mac?
 
All GIFs Work Fine For Me

But one thing apple seriously needs to fix is ... animated gifs. I'm on a lot of forums from time to time, and some people love to use animated gifs in these forums, which seriously just nukes the whole browser. On 3 it just made the gifs, slow and unwatchable, where as now ... beach ball for 30s to a minute. Why can't this just be like firefox, where you could have like 30 gifs lined up in a row on the browser, and it all looks fine!

I just visited www.gif.com to test animated GIFs out, and there were about 16 of them all blinking and moving in their horrid old Angelfire-like way (from the days of internet yore).

So GIFs worked fine for me in this version of Safari 4 (public beta 5528.16), with NO haxies on a standard Leopard install (10.5.6).
 

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How about full colour managed browsing (not available on Opera at all and has to be enabled as an option in Firefox)? How about 100% on the Acid3 test (compared to 71% on FF3)? Having faster javascript performance than pretty much every other browser out there is hardly what I'd call "useless gloss and 3d effects".

Didn't you also write this earlier in the thread?



You just look to be contradicting yourself to me. Or maybe you're just feeling trollish today.
I said that Safari 4 is a better browser than Safari 3. This is true. That doesn't mean it's innovative or brings new things to the table. It's just an evolutionary release.
 
I said that Safari 4 is a better browser than Safari 3. This is true. That doesn't mean it's innovative or brings new things to the table. It's just an evolutionary release.


Well I can't disagree with your last point at all, although I'm not sure that anybody is implying that the release is anything other but evolutionary.
 
How about full colour managed browsing (not available on Opera at all and has to be enabled as an option in Firefox)? How about 100% on the Acid3 test (compared to 71% on FF3)? Having faster javascript performance than pretty much every other browser out there is hardly what I'd call "useless gloss and 3d effects".

Didn't you also write this earlier in the thread?

You just look to be contradicting yourself to me. Or maybe you're just feeling trollish today.
i fail to see how he contradicted himself.

improved upon safari 3.x? yes

significant innovation that no other browsers have been doing? not so much.

most innovative browser? LMAO
 
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