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Apple Asks All U.S. Employees to Share Vaccination Status, Still No Mandate
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People here that are against being vaccinated always talk about freedom of choice.
If it your choice not to be vaccinated; will you just stay home and out.of the hospital? You already said doctors don't know.
Will you foot the whole medical bill, since your medical provider has said get vaccinated?
Will you not ask the government to help you out because they tried by offering the vaccine for FREE?
I bet most anti-vax people don't really want the full responsibility only the decision part.
And for those that think the vaccine that is FDA approved is still experimental and you don't know what's in it?
You do know if you catch covid there aren't many FDA approved and vert little that isn't experimental that can save your life, right? And you know what's in everything you ingest and understand the chemical formulations you see on a box or whatever? You can tell me all the side effects and contraindications for even Tylenol?
I have lost all compassion for people that willfully won't get vaccinated. If you get sick too dang bad.
I hope all employers, schools, restaurants, hotels and every other public venue requires a vaccination card or an valid waiver card for those that cannot be legitimately vaccinated.
It is legal. Does not violate your rights.
If it your choice not to be vaccinated; will you just stay home and out.of the hospital? You already said doctors don't know.
Will you foot the whole medical bill, since your medical provider has said get vaccinated?
Will you not ask the government to help you out because they tried by offering the vaccine for FREE?
I bet most anti-vax people don't really want the full responsibility only the decision part.
And for those that think the vaccine that is FDA approved is still experimental and you don't know what's in it?
You do know if you catch covid there aren't many FDA approved and vert little that isn't experimental that can save your life, right? And you know what's in everything you ingest and understand the chemical formulations you see on a box or whatever? You can tell me all the side effects and contraindications for even Tylenol?
I have lost all compassion for people that willfully won't get vaccinated. If you get sick too dang bad.
I hope all employers, schools, restaurants, hotels and every other public venue requires a vaccination card or an valid waiver card for those that cannot be legitimately vaccinated.
It is legal. Does not violate your rights.
What does this have to do with your argument? Vaccinated Icelanders contract covid at a much lower rate than the unvaccinated.
If you are vaccinated, the possibility of contracting COVID is the same as if you were unvaccinated. The development of the infection into a symptomatic hot mess is lower, potentially, depending on immunological response, and viral load.
The unvaccinated are most dangerous to anyone, vaccinated, or not. The longer the virus continues to be contracted by humans, and potentially domestic animals, the more likely it can mutate into a different strain. Future strains may not be totally blocked by current vaccines, so boosters will be necessary, and the number of partially vaccinated or vaccinated people without a strong immunological response could help new variants and even new viruses develop.
I fixed what you said with the information I have read.
There are more variants than Delta out there, and there are people that are totally completely vaccinated with no, or very low immunologic response, parading around unmasked. Those people will have a harder time with an infection, and really could be the new 'sink' that causes a new variant, or variants. (A mutated COVID virus with changed spike proteins would be an entirely new virus, needing different vaccines, and management)
People SHOULD be wearing masks, and social distancing, and avoiding people like in the height of the mess last year. Any slowdown of the spread and mutation of the virus is a major win. Only by retraining the virus mutations can we get the upper hand on eradicating, or at least controlling it better than we are.
you can't get hiv by standing next to someone
Smart doctor — and this supports that conclusion:
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/...immunity-13x-more-effective-vaccines-stopping
Just stop.
Long timers are numerous, and even people that think they have no symptoms are still bothered by some symptoms.
Young people are DYING! They are DYING in increasing numbers! Young people are getting MASSIVE infections, and DYING. Apparently being alive is a 'risk factor'. And MANY young people are turning out to be LONG TIMERS, with lingering life changing symptoms.
Ivermectin has not been proved to cure or mitigate COVID infections because COVID is not a parasitic intestinal WORM! COVID is not something that a de-worming medicine would ever address. PLUS Ivermectin can really screw up your digestive system, and intestines. It's not even used that much for real humans! Whoever thought up this crap is an idiot. I've read that Ivermectin coupled with vitamin C and Zinc cures COVID. ********!!! COVID is a virus.
Just read over it again and still don't really see how it's that, but sure.
If you appreciate the fact checking then you should also know that the CDC haven't stopped tracking breakthrough infections, they've very explicitly tracking them if they lead to hospitalisation or death, being vaccinated does make it significantly less likely you'll get infected which inherently makes it less likely you'll spread it, and being vaccinated makes it inherently less able to mutate because even if you do still get infected, your immune system can clear it much quicker because it's prepared.
Oh, and in terms of your last point in it, unvaccinated people pose a threat to vaccinated people partly because they're far more likely to get infected and stay highly infectious for longer, but it's also that while the immune system training session the vaccine constitutes is definitely great for people with weaker immune systems to have, it doesn't magically turn the weakened immune system of someone who is immunocompromised, into one as strong as a healthy 20 year old.
The CDC and others have changed the guidance and stats over the course of the pandemic because:
- Science is an iterative process of doing more and more research and learning more as time goes on.
- The virus itself has literally changed over it. Delta for example, has a viral load more than 1,000x higher than previous variants.
Already gone over this before literally in response to you earlier.
Seeing as getting vaccinated does not, and cannot "override [your] natural immunity" because that is just not how the immune system works, I'm just a tad cynical that an actual immunologist actually said this, though would love to hear him explain how that's the case, and why almost every medical and scientific organisation that recommends people still get vaccinated even if they've had COVID previously, are wrong.
No, what that graphs shows is that somewhat less people got it, though the numbers weren't that different (thanks Delta!), but way less people died from it. This is also consistent with the studies we have looking at what happened as well.
If you could finally link to the studies you keep talking about, that'd be great. Though again, I don't know why you wouldn't just err on the safe side and get vaccinated so you have an even better prepared immune system.
Unfortunately this just isn't true at all. The estimates definitely vary, but long COVID is much more common than any serious side effects from getting vaccinated. Even aside from the data, hell, I personally know 3 people dealing with it right now and dear god it's ****.
While I agree with much of your post, the good news is that this isn't correct. If you're vaccinated your odds of getting infected are much lower:
I posted this before but here's a thread from an immunologist going over it as well:
CDC stopped tracking covid in the vaccinated, OSHA removed the requirement for employers to report vaccine side effects from vaccines they are mandating for their employees.
OSHA says they do not want to increase vaccine hesitancy by publishing side effects.
They are admitting that they want to hide the true risk from people. How can you have informed consent?
https://www.natlawreview.com/article/osha-revokes-guidance-recordability-covid-19-vaccine-reactions
OSHA says they do not want to increase vaccine hesitancy by publishing side effects.
They are admitting that they want to hide the true risk from people. How can you have informed consent?
https://www.natlawreview.com/article/osha-revokes-guidance-recordability-covid-19-vaccine-reactions
Face it, toots. This isn’t about anything other than “fighting the liberal agenda”...for you and your brethren.I'd appreciate a link to any papers you've published on the subject.
Neat thing about my doctor - he is good at distilling complex things into terms an old TACCO can understand. But hey, when I go for my follow up in six months I'll be sure to bring a tape recorder.
Not once have I put this in political terms.
Frankly I don't give a fig about any of that, Jabby.
More than a few people here seem to be upset that I'm following the medical advice of my doctor rather than...them. Odd.
LMAO
I wasn't aware I was playing a game. Either way, believe what you want and be obedient sheep. Your masters will be pleased.
Nope, they are still tracking cases where vaccinated people get hospitalised and die.
So far out of 171 million people in the US who have been vaccinated, they've tracked 2,063 deaths and 8,987 hospitalisations.
The 7 day average of COVID deaths each day in the US is currently 1,352.
In less than 2 days, more people in the US are currently dying of COVID than the entire total of vaccinated people in the US that have died of COVID.
That is not even slightly what that is and I'm not even sure where to begin. This isn't hiding any risks of the (very safe) vaccines, and you don't need to read OSHA reports to have informed consent for a vaccine. Do you think there are OSHA reports for the vaccines you had as a baby?
It's more that you're saying things that are the opposite of what the vast majority of scientific and medical organisations recommend, which seem to defy the fundamentals of how the immune system works, and don't appear to have provided evidence to back these claims up beyond "I swear my doctor said this".
how about the papers your doctor has published on the subject?
News to me this is a court of law. Shall I call my doctor as a witness here?
Funny - I go to my doctor because he is knowledgeable in this area and he has earned my trust such that I don't scrabble around on the Internet to double check what he says. If it comes down to his opinion vs yours, well, no offense but I'll listen to the doctor I hired over a random post on the Internet.
More fake than fake news. You aren't fooling anyone. Maybe you listen to your doctor, because he tells you what you want to hear. Normals call those people quacks. Or, maybe you're lying. Republicans lie like they breathe.
And, oh yes...you do care about that...very much.
You seem awfully intent on believing I either want or care about your approval.
Might want to talk to someone about that. I can help you out if you need help.
And epidemiologists that I have read and talked to say that some can be vaccinated and totally symptom free, and yet *CAN* still spread it. They *can* spread it to anyone, and anything that they come in contact with. Other people, animals, surfaces, food, etc. It's like the normal way of transmission. Viruses don't 'die' because they aren't alive, in the conventional sense. The 'host' blocks the ability of the virion to inject its genetic instructions into the cell. There are still potential virions there, ready to pass through whatever means it's transmitted, and will setup shop in a new host, or a new cell, if it can get to it. A virus basically hijacks a cell's genetic structure, like a hacker, and instructs that cell to make more virions, and they go seek out more cells, or 'hosts' to setup shop to make more virions. But the genetic instructions can also cause other symptoms, but the root goal of a virion is to find a host and cause that host to create more virions, as many as possible, until the cell ruptures and the process starts all over again. One of the frightening parts of the Delta variant is that it hits so hard, way more virions, and they hit more cells and the host becomes overrun with the virions, and they become more easily spread, and the new host (person, etc) become easily swamped by the virions, and the process continues.
So, with Delta, and more coming, would a vaccinated person want to risk that their immunologic response is able to deal with a virus that hits with a significantly higher number of virions, and is able to produce a significantly higher number in the host, a 'larger response'? Not me. I have had my response to the vaccine tested, and I should be good for most of what's out there right now, but I still mask up, and Purell like I love it. I do not want to be in the bad spot of being hit by a wicked new variant that hasn't hit the big time yet. I don't want to be in the patient zero group. Nope...
