Wow! I never want YOUR approval. The fact that you tried to twist this into...THAT? Straight out of the Republican playbook. Be Best! Republicans are too dumb to hide their real motives.
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But if it’s not an issue for vaxxmaxxers like me, why should I worry about them?
They clearly have no regard for others already.
Again, this goes in circles until a government utilizes it’s enforcement arm to act decisively to effectively quarantine or vaccinate the science deniers.
Can vaccinated breakthrough infected individuals cause a breakthrough infection in another vaccinated individual?
It sounds like we need to get booster shots to the vaccinated immediately.
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I'm not making claims that go stridently against the scientific consensus on this, especially not without backing them up. While a person's qualifications and experience can help qualify what they're saying to some extent, one of the best things about science is that it actually isn't about who has the most impressive CV, it's about evidence.
Yes, and I haven't said otherwise, but what I have said, and backed up with evidence, is that being vaccinated makes this significantly less likely to happen. We do agree on like 95% of stuff here, I'm just clarifying this specific point you've made. Hell I'm in a trial for a new vaccine and am currently trying to resist doing an antibody test to check my response to it because due to the trial design it'll unblind me if I do.
Is it bad that I'm currently imagining you trying to bribe a vaccinator to give you 0.6ml of Pfizer/1ml of Moderna instead of the usual amounts (half that)? "Vaxxmaxx me man!"
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"Sources. If you claim that something's a fact, back it up with a source"
I'm not making claims that go stridently against the scientific consensus on this, especially not without backing them up. While a person's qualifications and experience can help qualify what they're saying to some extent, one of the best things about science is that it actually isn't about who has the most impressive CV, it's about evidence.
Yes, and I haven't said otherwise, but what I have said, and backed up with evidence, is that being vaccinated makes this significantly less likely to happen. We do agree on like 95% of stuff here, I'm just clarifying this specific point you've made. Hell I'm in a trial for a new vaccine and am currently trying to resist doing an antibody test to check my response to it because due to the trial design it'll unblind me if I do.
Is it bad that I'm currently imagining you trying to bribe a vaccinator to give you 0.6ml of Pfizer/1ml of Moderna instead of the usual amounts (half that)? "Vaxxmaxx me man!"
It’s not the vaxxmaxxers passing delta around. It’s the people running around trying to find horse dewormer...
You could begin by quoting the OSHA announcement, does it not say Vaccine side effects are no longer being reported? I want to see where I got it wrong.
It doesn’t work like that, in the United States. If a employer requires you to get a vaccine, then at that point the side effects are required to be reported under that OSHA requirement.
What you got wrong was your analysis of what this means/that it matters in terms of safety/consent, which I already went over.
Yes, that was my point. Again, in terms of why your analysis that this somehow means you couldn't have informed consent to get vaccinated, was pretty absurd.
So...you're demanding a source that I spoke with my doctor? Odd request.
You may need to rephrase what you're demanding here. If you want to argue with my doctor, have at it I suppose. But you're demanding that I present his case here on his behalf. Again, a rather odd expectation.
So given that, I don't think what you're demanding makes for a very productive use of my time. Again, no offense.
what’s his name? should be easy enough to find
i never claimed any expertise myself
Why do you want my doctor's name? Need a good one?
well you asked a poster here for links to any papers they’ve written on the subject, and also asked me now for the same, the implication being that such published papers would be necessary to establish expertise on the subject.
so i’d like to see whatever papers your doctor has written on the subject. these would be easy to find if you shared his name
that and quite frankly i wouldn’t be surprised if your making up the entire story
While as I've said so many times before it's true that being vaccinated makes it less likely you'll infect others, it is still possible, though after a few days your viral load ends up being a lot lower than those who are unvaccinated.
The link you presented doesn't support the argument you made, I don't need a source to critique your argument because I'm not claiming a fact, I'm just making it clear your argument is pretty strange. OSHA are hardly the arbiters of the safety of medical treatments, that'd be the FDA, and they've authorised 3 COVID vaccines and fully approved one of them for those 16+, and when it comes to reporting possible side effects, that's what VAERS and V-safe are for. Fortunately the data from those shows the vaccines are really safe
.Though hey, I backed up what I said in the other thread with sources and you ignored it (again) 😉.
Puzzles me why some can’t respect ones hesitancy to a particular vaccine. There is plenty of data to be reluctant. Yet, our decision is ridiculed, labeled, and shamed.
I personally respect those who took the vaccine. There is plenty of data that shows it can be safe.
Oh you mean this post, which you ignored 90% of the other content. Yet, you cannot seem to respect those hesitant for this particular vaccine.While as I've said so many times before it's true that being vaccinated makes it less likely you'll infect others, it is still possible, though after a few days your viral load ends up being a lot lower than those who are unvaccinated.
The link you presented doesn't support the argument you made, I don't need a source to critique your argument because I'm not claiming a fact, I'm just making it clear your argument is pretty strange. OSHA are hardly the arbiters of the safety of medical treatments, that'd be the FDA, and they've authorised 3 COVID vaccines and fully approved one of them for those 16+, and when it comes to reporting possible side effects, that's what VAERS and V-safe are for. Fortunately the data from those shows the vaccines are really safe
Though hey, I backed up what I said in the other thread with sources and you ignored it (again) 😉.
That’s my argument. Not Vaccine = bad. More like Vaccine = could have been better and there are a multitude of reasons backed by data for one to make a informed decision to choose not to.
But you argue there are zero merits to being hesitant to this vaccine? Am I right?
You’re going to call his doctor up and ask him to settle an internet argument?
Give him your doctors name. Maybe they can even chat with each other?
no i’m going to search for his published papers to see what he has to say as an expert immunologist
where did i say i was going to call him?
You can choose when to smoke, which is why most office buildings today prohibits smoking or provide a smoking area. How can you choose when to be infectious when it comes to a disease?
So to get this straight: an anonymous poster on an Internet forum with an Antifa avatar is asking that I doxx my doctor because he/she/it disagrees with that doctor's advice as relayed by one of that doctor's patients.
I'm sure you'll understand when I respectfully decline your request.
You didn’t. You also didn’t directly say you were going to look up all sorts of information on some internet man’s doctor. You just asked his name, and expected us to figure out your intentions. Simple! Just like taking the vaxx.
i’d hardly call providing the name of a published scientist that is an expert in their field doxxing
it should have been clear from the context that i asked for his name in order to read his published papers on immunology