I would certainly call putting my doctor's name on a board without his permission exactly that.
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You could had asked for it via direct message if you want him to think you had genuine positive motivations.
He said it mutates because of the unvaccinated. I said like the flu? Does the flu mutate?
that is fine and well. but i’m sure you can agree that appealing to him as an authority doesn’t really work then does it
anyone can say “my doctor is and expert and says such and such”
without anything to back it up it’s a pointless claim that ought not be considered as proof of anything
I definitely feel much safer around people after getting the shots but still apprehensive because the vaccine doesn’t prevent you from being infected and doesn’t prevent you from infecting others. Especially now that we have the new variants and the effectiveness of vaccine in preventing all symptoms has dramatically decreased. Even if you don’t get seriously ill you can still experiencing lingering side effects months after (at least, that’s what I’m hearing from friends and family were infected after vaccinations).
As far as I am concerned, he is an authority in my case, as he examined me, treated me, and I have hired him for his services in this regard.
Expecting someone to follow medical advice absent those conditions seems foolish to me, and I suggest people talk to their own doctors and make their own decisions. His advice and expertise are sufficient for me.
On the other hand, if there is a qualified MD posting in this thread that has a different opinion, I wouldn't mind getting an idea of his/her qualifications and experience and use those opinions to inform any questions I have at my next visit. But absent that, I'll stick with my personal doctor's medical opinion, thanks.
No, I meant the one I linked to, which was in response to you finally replying many days after I previously responded to one of your posts, and you ignored me and just reposted the same stuff all over again but just added more things rather than engage in a debate.
Unless you are allergic to any of the ingredients or have another clear medical reason as to why getting vaccinated would harm you that doctors can confirm, you shouldn't be hesitant about joining the literally billions of people around the world who have been vaccinated by now.
It absolutely does prevent you from being infected, and therefore inherently, prevents you from infecting others. The grain of truth is that it doesn't prevent it in every case, but it does make a significant difference, and lowers your viral load after a few days if you do still get infected.
So don't wear seart belts either, because the risk of a fatal accidenmt is still low?
Why take an unnecessary risk, even if it's small?
I don't get this thinking at all.
False. There are multiple reasons beyond ‘being allergic’.
also. Where is your source? Are we breaking the debate rules again?
As for the efficacy. I never said the vaccines are completely ineffective. Please go back and re-read what I wrote. I was very careful to point out that the vaccines are not as good as they could have been. That is a far cry from your characterization of what I’m trying to say, I do not say anywhere that the vaccines have no efficacy.
Edit: (oops you weren’t quoting me, ignore the above!)
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Well, as the internet says: picture or it didn't happen.
I'm not sure you can say anything to them to convince them. They stop reading something as soon as their confirmation bias is satisfied. They don't read to understand, they read to confirm their beliefs. I never realized how dangerous that is until covid.
Thanks for the link, but I don’t agree completely with the conclusion you are drawing from that. The article says that there is a three fold increase in prevalence among unvaccinated populations vs vaccinated populations. While that’s a pretty big difference, it only shows that it lowers the chance of infection rather than preventing it. Additionally, this data doesn’t account for the vaccination rates among social circles (i.e. vaccinated individuals may be more likely to be around other individuals who are vaccinated and vice versa). This is not an argument against pushing people to get the vaccine, but we need to be clear about the real advantages it gives us.
Expanding on my previous comment a little more, given that delta is around 60% more transmissible than alpha and the quickly increasing number of infected people since the vaccine’s initial rollout, the risk of infection hasn’t dropped enough for me to be completely comfortable with approaching unvaccinated people. Especially looking at the lack of a significant enough drop in infection chances from when I was unvaccinated in April vs being vaccinated now.
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All companies should implement a multi-phase COVID-19 return plan if they haven’t yet. The first phase would be gathering the vaccination status of all employees like Apple is doing now. Additionally, during the first phase, all employees should be notified that they won’t be allowed into the office unless they’re vaccinated, but they have the option to stay remote and at a certain date, their pay will be reduced by 20 percent if they continue to stay unvaccinated/work from home. During the second phase, vaccinated employees return to the office while unvaccinated employees begin a 30-day “grace period” and during the third phase, employees still refusing to be vaccinated/working at home have their pay reduced. The 4th phase could be another pay reduction or…
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The FDA approval covers the existing Pfizer vaccine, same as the one I got in my arm months ago. Any stock out there as of the approval is FDA approved. The doses being manufactured before and after are the same it just got a brand name of COMIRNATY along with the approval.
"The FDA-approved COMIRNATY® (COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA) and the EUA-authorized Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine have the same formulation and can be used interchangeably to provide the COVID-19 vaccination series. An individual may be offered either COMIRNATY® (COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA) or the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine to prevent coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) caused by SARS-CoV-2."
Source: https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-r...ech-covid-19-vaccine-comirnatyr-receives-full
I will go one better: all companies should allow those than can work from home to do it. No forced return to offices, regardless of need.
More fake than fake news. Also…more proof this is not about anything other than “fighting the liberal agenda”.
There is soo-ho-hoooo much you are ignoring. While claiming to believe this…ONE…”doctor”…over EVERYTHING else.
Sofa king dumb.
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So you gladly let others know that you don't care about their health? Gotcha.
More of the same kind of nonsense where you're not even reading your own sources to understand them, you're just seeing a headline and calling it evidence.
Of course you almost certainly know this, because you're from DC, but for others not familiar with OSHA-- it's the Occupational Safety and Health Administration. It exists to maintain workplace safety. Part of the regulations under OSHA are to report work-related injuries and illnesses. This is not how issues are reported into the healthcare system or scientific community. That is not the role of OSHA. Health reporting is done elsewhere. This is how employment conditions are monitored.
One of the things they've done is give guidance on how to handle reporting for something like a disease that is in the community. OSHA has been exercising "enforcement discretion" reporting work-related injuries and illness-- meaning their reporting is somewhat relaxed if someone gets infected because it's quite difficult to tell whether they were infected onsite or elsewhere.
OSHA also does not require illness reporting for a variety of "low risk" industries, including "Computer Systems Design and Related Services", so Apple wouldn't need to report in any event.
OSHA is not trying to "hide the true risk" of Covid-19 from people, they are merely saying that an employer doesn't need to report it as an employment safety issue.
Employers are not required to report flu or common cold infections.
OSHA is not trying to "hide the true risk" of the flu or the common cold from people, they are merely saying that an employer doesn't need to report it as an employment safety issue.
Likewise, there's a question about whether vaccine side effects are "work related" if vaccinations are required by employers. If your boss tells you to get vaccinated, and you do, is it work related? OSHA has said that for the time being they will not consider that a work related illness or injury because they don't want to discourage vaccinations.
OSHA is not trying to "hide the true risk" of vaccine side effects from people, they are merely saying that an employer doesn't need to report it as an employment safety issue. They are also not treating it any differently than actually contracting the illness itself.
Dear god can you please stop spamming the same post filled with misinformation all over the forum? Especially as you've shown that you won't actually engage with people when they debunk your claims, like I've done twice now, including for I think 17 (?) or so of those citations as you presented them many days ago in another thread and I debunked them, and now you've seemingly just reposted them here as well.
How about you go back and read what I wrote, and notice that I wasn't actually replying to you 😉.
I've not seen estimates that high for COVID vaccines, though it's almost like there's significant value to people and governments in dealing with a nasty infectious diseases that have killed millions of people and forced significant disruptions on people around the world. Though considering we've got a few new vaccines hopefully on the way to authorisation, I think we'll start to see it get a bit more competitive too.
Well again, what I said was "it doesn't prevent it in every case, but it does make a significant difference". There's also this thread from an immunologist too.
Yeah, I'm certainly not saying you're silly to not love doing that. The closest I've personally gotten to an unvaccinated person in the last 24 hours was to help someone who works in my building work out where to go to get vaccinated tomorrow. Though I guess you can maybe make an argument that as I'm in a vaccine trial maybe I should spend more time around unvaccinated people and challenge it a bit? 😉
It'd be fun to see people complain if a company says they will only hire UNvaccinated people.