More attacks on my character, just no data to combat anything. This doesn’t deserve a response.
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More attacks on my character, just no data to combat anything. This doesn’t deserve a response.
pretty sure we’ve all seen @hop address and “fully and unequivocally” refute many of those studies and points but you absolutely refuse to accept or acknowledge those refutations and just repost the same things again.
so really there is no point.
you’ve proven to be almost heroically impervious to logic, reason and facts
Again, no data. More attacks on the speaker.
and for the record, he only addressed an handful of studies from point 1 (spike proteins). He claims he fully debunked those spike proteins claims, while at best, the claims are still up in the air.
There still remains points 2-10 and the dozens of studies linked with them that still remain untouched.
Again, I respect people who have got the vaccine. I am simply advocating for no mandates.
My popcorn is great.
Those that are against any mandate and vaccines will literally tie themselves in knots to not only justify the position but also why we shouldn't exclude them from polite society and not give them a free pass at a hospital.
Because some vaccinated individuals might still get Covid they aren't taking a vaccine. That's like saying that you aren't taking swimming lessons because people still can drown. Huh?
This is quite entertaining but the chances of getting covid if you are not vaccinated is about 1 in 5 and trending to 1 in 4. Your chances of death are about 1 in 1000. Those numbers are actually trending toward a higher probability of infection because unmasked and unvaccinated people tend to be around like minded people.
The chance of infection for a vaccinated person is about 5% in a vaccinated group and far lower when you include the unvaccinated in calculations since they make up the majority of cases.
Aso it's the unvaccinated clogging up the healthcare system begging for unproven treatments that there have been no long term studies for when all they had to do was take a free vaccine.
No sympathy. No prayers. No compassion. Nope. None.
Those that are against any mandate and vaccines will literally tie themselves in knots to not only justify the position but also why we shouldn't exclude them from polite society and not give them a free pass at a hospital.
Because some vaccinated individuals might still get Covid they aren't taking a vaccine. That's like saying that you aren't taking swimming lessons because people still can drown. Huh?
This is quite entertaining but the chances of getting covid if you are not vaccinated is about 1 in 5 and trending to 1 in 4. Your chances of death are about 1 in 1000. Those numbers are actually trending toward a higher probability of infection because unmasked and unvaccinated people tend to be around like minded people.
The chance of infection for a vaccinated person is about 5% in a vaccinated group and far lower when you include the unvaccinated in calculations since they make up the majority of cases.
Aso it's the unvaccinated clogging up the healthcare system begging for unproven treatments that there have been no long term studies for when all they had to do was take a free vaccine.
No sympathy. No prayers. No compassion. Nope. None.
Sorry if it offends you, but you seem like you're a bit afraid of a safe and thoroughly tested vaccine, and are now flipping off people in a forum because they've challenged you on your basis for that? Seems a bit odd to accuse others of being offended in this context.
You included 17 citations in your original post. I responded to all of them. You refused to respond to what I'd said for many days, instead just taking that original 17 and adding more to them, then once you finally did reply, you ignored much of what I'd said and I think almost every source I provided, misquoted me, and went back to ignoring me once I responded. No idea where you're getting "7-8" from either.
You've now posted the same thing again in here, though I just went back and I think it might have been deleted now? Not sure if you did that.
I haven't responded to your updated wall of text and citations because it seems a bit pointless considering your track record of not really engaging in a good faith debate on this.
Now it's "6 studies"? As above, I've refuted your previous arguments and 17 of your previous citations, but I've never called you "dumb" that I'm aware of. Please link me to where I've done that.
I respect people who have hesitancy to getting vaccinated because there are all kinds of reasons people can be unsure about it, but in all but a very small number of cases, the concerns people have are built on things that simply aren't true, very often coming from people spreading misinformation online.
As such, I've spent quite a long time going over this with a number of people and helping them to overcome their hesitancy and get vaccinated. That's why I can talk about this stuff in a bit more detail than most people can, I've learned a lot about it so I can explain it in clear and accessible ways for people, and along the way, learned about the different pieces of misinformation that are prominent online.
I generally try to avoid being aggressive towards people, and don't think I've been particularly aggressive with you, though here the issue isn't just your choice about the vaccine, but your behaviour that a number of us are taking issue with.
The quantity of studies isn't what's important, it's whether they actually back up the arguments you're making, and if there's information to the contrary that challenges your arguments.
In your case they very frequently do not back up your arguments, in fact, many of the studies you've posted actually make an excellent case for getting vaccinated, because as I wrote days ago in my original response to those first 17 citations you posted, 9 of them are about potential/demonstrated damage from getting infected by the real coronavirus itself, not the vaccines. I went over this more on Tuesday in a long post which you never replied to.
I don't respect the choices of people when they do things that cause harm to others around them, at least assuming it's possible for them to know better and they have a free choice. For example, if someone is drunk but wants to drive a vehicle, I don't respect their choice to do so because they can cause harm to others. People not getting vaccinated are putting others at higher risk of getting infected with COVID, alongside making it easier for the virus to mutate and get more transmissible and/or more harmful and/or be less effectively controlled by the vaccines.
Sure it's less visceral than the drunk driving example, but compared to having to call a taxi and pick your car up the next day, it's also a lot easier and cheaper to get vaccinated. Hell, in the US a lot of places will literally pay you to get vaccinated, even before we talk about all the other incentives you get, alongside the incentive of being less likely to get a nasty infectious disease, pass it on to others, and much less likely to get seriously ill or die because of it.
I said "filled with misinformation", you really do seem to like straw manning folks.
And yes, your claims are unfortunately filled with misinformation. I've demonstrated that and others have too, but it doesn't seem to make much of a difference because you repeatedly refuse to engage with people when they have challenged your points and just post them again and add more.
I have actually looked over the rest of what you've presented and the vast majority of it is just more disproven speculation and misinformation, whether it's about ADE, VAERS, you profoundly misinterpreting data from my own country, the list really goes on, but again, what's the point of engaging with you on the specifics when you'll just ignore the responses you get, refuse to discuss them, and just repeat it all again?
As above, unfortunately writing long rebuttals and providing data doesn't really seem to matter with you on this subject, and a few of us aren't super keen to waste our time doing so again. There are certainly grounds to criticise you and others who refuse to get vaccinated for that decision, and the idea that unless we go through the 54 extra studies you've posted and refute all of those ones too, we can't do so, is just a bit odd. You're not the queen of the MR forums, and we are not your subjects.
If you don't want people to challenge you for being melodramatic, misattributing things, posting long walls of text with citations that don't support your arguments, refusing to defend your positions, and implying things and then just hiding behind them after others have called your bluff, then I'd suggest you stop:
Being melodramatic misattributing things, posting long walls of text with citations that don't support your arguments, refusing to defend your positions, and implying things and then just hiding behind them after others have called your bluff.
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Hardly. I see little point in taking medication that I've been advised is medically unnecessary at best, with unknown effects at worst. The reasoning has been explained ad nauseum. To that, I've had to field accusations and demands to doxx my doctor.
On the second, I don't make decisions based on fear (thanks to a rather aggressive DI) and this is no exception. I've already explained that I specifically asked my doc about the risks of taking any of these injections with my natural immunity, and relayed his response. To that I was told to post a source.
. Still shaking my head over that one, chap. As for the post you mention, seems to me you missed quite a bit of the lead up. Perhaps go through the thread?
Simply put, I don't find you persuasive in comparison to a real live doctor who has followed medical ethics with his patient. If you want to do something else, hey it's your decision and none of my business at all.
I'll just remain happy and naturally immune, satisfied with my doctor's medical opinion.
The exact figure is around 1.3 million people who die from road accidents (source: WHO). In around a year, we lost 4.54 million people due to COVID. That’s more than 3x more likely to die from COVID than a car accident. So yes, I will be afraid of unvaccinated people in my office. I have disclosed my vaccination status to my workplace and hope to be back in the office soon.
Ironically it’s those who call themselves “pro-life” who are totally cool with killing millions of people as well.
This is a copy/paste job from conspiracy websites.
False comparison.
Vaccine protects many other people as well.
Personally, I think anyone not vaccinated should not be eligible for ICU or a ventilator.
Take your choice.
Vaccine or Dirt Nap.
Point of clarification. It's always had the brand name of Comirnaty. If you received it, your little sticker may even say it. In other countries, this is always what it's been known as. The EUA not only limits how its distributed, it prevents any marketing of the product -- so it was always identified by manufacturer and target in official capacity. Likewise, the Moderna is named SpikeVax but it cannot market that name yet.
I can literally imagine you laughing at your neighbors who all turned their lights out in London during an air raid.
Here you state yourself, you haven’t responded to my 75+ sourced reasons for vaccine hesitation. It seems you decided to give up looking at my other articles and sources. This is all I need to read.
My personal choice deeply offends you, to the point you must prove me wrong, viciously. You should at least be thorough and debunk all my claims, especially coming at me as aggressive as you are (for my own personal choice on hesitation)
Perhaps you identify too much with this vaccine?
Your message is very clear, vaccine hesitant individuals have no merit. Your message is misinformation. Vaccine hestitancy is a valid concern. But you refuse to respond at those claims, despite your vendetta to prove my personal choice wrong.
Perhaps you should actually debunk the claims, plus 75+ sources before you cite 6 articles and claim victory.
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Ivermectin is being used in hospitals along with zinc, vitamin D and another medication I cannot remember the name of for people who enter the hospital with COVID-19. Ivermectin should not be used without a doctor’s advice/prescription/order, in the hospital. You should not be buying Ivermectin from Tractor Supply.
It’s for horses not people. Nobody should be using it. Doctors should not be prescribing it. Those that are, show symptoms of science denial and should be put in front of their state boards immediately, as well as publicly bulletined so that the public can look up their prior “research” and private activities for scrutiny. This type of behavior is creating room for people to posses dangerous thoughts that must be moderated under a pandemic. Doctors should be putting people on ventilators, or administering vaccine and boosters to prevent that situation.
Why You Should Not Use Ivermectin to Treat or Prevent COVID-19
Using the Drug ivermectin to treat COVID-19 can be dangerous and even lethal. The FDA has not approved the drug for that purpose.
Vitamin D is toxic in large doses. With the vaccine there is literally zero reason to consume vitamin D. Large doses of Vitamin D is really for poultry livestock, not people.
Vitamin D toxicity: What if you get too much?
Understand the risks of taking high doses of this vitamin in supplement form.
www.mayoclinic.org
Vitamin D deficiency in Chickens: Signs, Treatment & Prevention
Vitamin D is a fat-soluble vitamin that regulates calcium homeostasis and is vital for bone health. The two most prominent forms of vitamin D are ergocalciferol (vitamin D2) and cholecalciferol (vitamin D3). Vitamin D3 is an important nutrient for chickens, especially for growing chicks and...
www.poultrydvm.com
Don’t even get me started on zinc. But there is no scientific reason why you cannot get enough zinc as part of a well balanced breakfast (see FDA guidelines for you science deniers, it’s on your damn box of Cheerios). Literally eating a metal is beyond insane. Just get the vaccine.
Zinc, vitamin C show no effect for COVID-19 in small study
Behold! The cure for COVID!
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That’s like saying Penicillin is a horse anti-biotic only. No, it’s more commonly used in humans
Avoid the sun!
Zinc comes in many different forms and is absorbed by the body in different ways (or not at all). Especially artificially added zinc. Whether or not if your consuming it is moot, it’s how your consuming, what type of zinc, and how it works with your body.
7 Common Types of Zinc Explained
There are many types of zinc, but do you know the difference between each one? Learn more about each type of zinc and which one is the healthiest for you.
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I don't know that I have an opinion on vaccine hesitancy in this context, but I will suggest that maybe, at least in this country, perhaps lack of trust in the media is a driver? If the media ran a story about how eating healthy and working out helped people live longer, half the country would ignore it.
I really do think being skeptical in most things is a virtue, but that aside it seems to me to be a good thing to take things to your doctor and get a real time opinion from someone who knows you and your history.
There's nothing to debunk. Do what you want. I'm personally going to risk long term effects with the vaccine so I don't get a severe infection if infected. I'm going to be first on the line for a booster.
Proof of vaccine is now required in some venues. Some companies are requiring vaccination (or legitimate exemptions) as conditions of employment.