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Here you state yourself, you haven’t responded to my 75+ sourced reasons for vaccine hesitation. It seems you decided to give up looking at my other articles and sources. This is all I need to read.

My personal choice deeply offends you, to the point you must prove me wrong, viciously. You should at least be thorough and debunk all my claims, especially coming at me as aggressive as you are (for my own personal choice on hesitation)

Perhaps you identify too much with this vaccine?

Your message is very clear, vaccine hesitant individuals have no merit. Your message is misinformation. Vaccine hestitancy is a valid concern. But you refuse to respond at those claims, despite your vendetta to prove my personal choice wrong.

Perhaps you should actually debunk the claims, plus 75+ sources before you cite 6 articles and claim victory.


The vaccine is fda approved. There should be ZERO hesitancy!
A vaccine resistant variant is far more likely to spawn from within a vaccinated person who becomes infected (as we know this happens) but the virus mutates and as such evades the vaccine response. They then give it to someone else.

It’s “called selection pressure”, and for sure 100% it’s already happening.

I still think people should get vaccinated though. It will be a constant race.
this is why vaccines should be mandatory
 
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A vaccine resistant variant is far more likely to spawn from within a vaccinated person who becomes infected (as we know this happens) but the virus mutates and as such evades the vaccine response. They then give it to someone else.

It’s “called selection pressure”, and for sure 100% it’s already happening.

I still think people should get vaccinated though. It will be a constant race.

You twist the information like it's the vaccinated driving mutations -> "When an RNA virus replicates, the copying process generates one new error, or mutation, per 10,000 nucleotides, a mutation rate as much as 100,000 times greater than that found in human DNA. "


The opportunity for mutation is much more likely in those unvaccinated because the numbers of unvaccinated is a much larger number than those vaccinated. Also vaccinated people have a viral load that decreases rapidly and also limiting mutation because they are infected for a shorter time and shedding the virus for a shorter period.

Unlike bacteria which selection can happen due to things like inadequate antibiotic regimens that path does not exist in most part for virus. The mutations occur just because someone is infected. The goal is to reduce the number of infections so that mutations don't occur. The more people infected, the more replication, the more mutations and the more variants.
 
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I think we are passed the point of looking at cases in this debate. We know vaccinated people can still get COVID, but the bulk are not dying from it. When the US says this is a pandemic of the unvaccinated, they are talking about how 99% of the deaths are unvaccinated people.
You mean the CDC who changed their policy and now called any death with 2 weeks of vaccine an unvaccinated death?

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Except that they still listen to Orange man's advise of drinking bleach. We now have a new nutcase candidate DeSantis. Look who else is taking Ivermectin and vitamins to treat Covid, he's also antivaxxer? haha


$5,000 fine for asking for proof of vaccination in Florida. I am not "conspiracy theory guy," but it seems that some have a vested interest in keeping the pandemic going, either politically or monitarily. Because there is no other reason for this stupidity.
 
$5,000 fine for asking for proof of vaccination in Florida. I am not "conspiracy theory guy," but it seems that some have a vested interest in keeping the pandemic going, either politically or monitarily. Because there is no other reason for this stupidity.

indeed

those who are against vaccines, masks and other public health measures do seem to have a vested interest in keeping the pandemic going.

i really don’t understand why
 
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You mean the CDC who changed their policy and now called any death with 2 weeks of vaccine an unvaccinated death?

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Where does it say anything like that? The full text and site link is below. The goal posts just keep on moving with you people, and then you spread more misinformation.

Persons were considered fully vaccinated ≥14 days after receipt of the second dose in a 2-dose series (Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna COVID-19 vaccines) or after 1 dose of the single-dose Janssen (Johnson & Johnson) COVID-19 vaccine¶; partially vaccinated ≥14 days after receipt of the first dose and <14 days after the second dose in a 2-dose series; and unvaccinated <14 days after receipt of the first dose of a 2-dose series or 1 dose of the single-dose vaccine or if no CAIR2 vaccination data were available. COVID-19–associated hospitalizations were defined as hospital admissions occurring ≤14 days after a first SARS-CoV-2 infection. COVID-19–associated deaths were defined as deaths occurring ≤60 days after the date of a first laboratory-confirmed SARS-CoV-2 infection or deaths with COVID-19 listed as a cause of or contributing condition to death.

 
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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...pital-treat-covid-patient-ivermectin-n1278267

they know ivermectin works. they know it's safe. they know BILLIONS of doses have been given to humans since it's Nobel winning creation.

Ivermectin is recognized as one of WHOs most essential drugs. calling it a horse medication on perhaps the largest main stream media outlet is criminal. and bizarre.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...pital-treat-covid-patient-ivermectin-n1278267

they know ivermectin works. they know it's safe. they know BILLIONS of doses have been given to humans since it's Nobel winning creation.

Ivermectin is recognized as one of WHOs most essential drugs. calling it a horse medication on perhaps the largest main stream media outlet is criminal. and bizarre.
covid-19 is a virus not a parasite
 
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Yet it’s effective for treating Covid-19.
that is by no means conclusive as of yet

regardless, why not take measures to prevent infection, and thus mitigate against further mutation in to stronger strains, rather than use a drug off label to try and mitigate symptoms? it just makes no sense

perhaps we should stop vaccinating children for
measles, mumps and rubella and focus on treatment instead?
 
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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...pital-treat-covid-patient-ivermectin-n1278267

they know ivermectin works. they know it's safe. they know BILLIONS of doses have been given to humans since it's Nobel winning creation.

Ivermectin is recognized as one of WHOs most essential drugs. calling it a horse medication on perhaps the largest main stream media outlet is criminal. and bizarre.

why do you suppose it is that medical and public health officials around the world do not reach the same conclusions that you do?

do you have some sort of analytical expertise that thousands of experts are lacking?
 
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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...pital-treat-covid-patient-ivermectin-n1278267

they know ivermectin works. they know it's safe. they know BILLIONS of doses have been given to humans since it's Nobel winning creation.

Ivermectin is recognized as one of WHOs most essential drugs. calling it a horse medication on perhaps the largest main stream media outlet is criminal. and bizarre.
Billions of doses really? So billions of people got covid? If you're going to spread misinformation at least make up a good numbers so that it doesn't look suspicious.
 
why do you suppose it is that medical and public health officials around the world do reach the same conclusions that you do?

do you have some sort of analytical expertise that thousands of experts are lacking?
India, Japan, Argentina, and even many doctors in the USA are all actively during this as treatment. As your local pharmacy how many ivermectin calls they get.
 
Did you even look up his credential? He's not even the real inventor, you think one person took credit for mRNA? AND one doctor is against vaccine and you listen to just one that is spreading misinformation?

I give up.
He agreed. I have one this decisive battle of defending my right to be hesitant.
 
If you haven't gotten a vaccination shot at this point, you should be fired from your job. The overhead of having to deal with unvaccinated workers is just too high for a business to operate.
Oh goody! Now do obesity!

Annual Deaths Attributable to Obesity in the United States

Note this was in 1999. Since then obesity has only increased in the U.S.

Meanwhile: US obesity crisis to blame for high Covid death tolls, report

And, unlike vaccines that are, arguably, still experimental in nature: Nobody ever died or was made sick from a healthy diet ;)

"Oh! Oh! Oh!" you might argue, "but nobody's ever been made sick by somebody else's obesity." Fair enough, but neither do the current Covid-19 vaccines prevent contracting Covid-19 or preventing people contracting it from being contagious. The only thing that can be said for them with any certainty is they appear to protect the most at-risk populations from getting sick enough for Covid-19 to be a cause for mortality.

N.B. I'm not "anti-vax." I'm unproven-vax-skeptical.

In any event: Apple sure does appear to be becoming increasingly intrusive in peoples' lives, recently.
 
Oh goody! Now do obesity!

Annual Deaths Attributable to Obesity in the United States

Note this was in 1999. Since then obesity has only increased in the U.S.

Meanwhile: US obesity crisis to blame for high Covid death tolls, report

And, unlike vaccines that are, arguably, still experimental in nature: Nobody ever died or was made sick from a healthy diet ;)

"Oh! Oh! Oh!" you might argue, "but nobody's ever been made sick by somebody else's obesity." Fair enough, but neither do the current Covid-19 vaccines prevent contracting Covid-19 or preventing people contracting it from being contagious. The only thing that can be said for them with any certainty is they appear to protect the most at-risk populations from getting sick enough for Covid-19 to be a cause for mortality.

N.B. I'm not "anti-vax." I'm unproven-vax-skeptical.

In any event: Apple sure does appear to be becoming increasingly intrusive in peoples' lives, recently.

vaccines absolutely do decrease your risk of both contracting and spreading covid-19

we don’t need to go through the whole nothing is 100% effective thing again

like most of the nonsense and disinformation in these threads it’s been done to death
 
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