It’s pretty sad when people don’t respect your personal choice, demand you be removed from society. Scary times
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It’s pretty sad when people refuse to participate in a civil society and think anarchy will lead to positive outcomes.
Since you seem to know, would you be so kind and let us all know long term effects of anti covid vaccines?
Heart development, respiratory issues, nervous system, cognitive functions and I can go on forever.
Long term health is a matter of national security because a functional economy and society requires a healthy amount of workforce not only to function but to be able to sustain it (among other things obviously but I'm trying to make it simple).
I mean where is your guarantee that your current actions do not actually undermine national security? Guarantee means that there's enough data to make a conclusion based on information that spans long enough to be considered factual.
By the choice of your words you are certain that COVID-19 vaccination has nothing but positive long term effects. Your data is what? about 8-10 months old? (I'm not counting rushed process to get those out by pharmaceuticals. They are corporations after all) That's peanuts.
And FYI before you go on with some blah blah blah nonsense about my persona, I am vaccinated. It was my choice.
So from now on I need facts from you otherwise your opinion is just that. An opinion, and it sounds pretty authoritarian to me. Wanna know which persons in history used those tactics? Tactics based on belief that you have the right to tell others how to live or die?
*this is even funnier with that avatar of yours.
Also I wonder what this two know.
Two senior FDA vaccine regulators are stepping down
Marion Gruber, director of the FDA's Office of Vaccines Research & Review, and deputy director Phil Krause will exit the agency.
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Since you seem to know, would you be so kind and let us all know long term effects of anti covid vaccines?
Heart development, respiratory issues, nervous system, cognitive functions and I can go on forever.
Long term health is a matter of national security because a functional economy and society requires a healthy amount of workforce not only to function but to be able to sustain it (among other things obviously but I'm trying to make it simple).
I mean where is your guarantee that your current actions do not actually undermine national security? Guarantee means that there's enough data to make a conclusion based on information that spans long enough to be considered factual.
By the choice of your words you are certain that COVID-19 vaccination has nothing but positive long term effects. Your data is what? about 8-10 months old? (I'm not counting rushed process to get those out by pharmaceuticals. They are corporations after all) That's peanuts.
And FYI before you go on with some blah blah blah nonsense about my persona, I am vaccinated. It was my choice.
So from now on I need facts from you otherwise your opinion is just that. An opinion, and it sounds pretty authoritarian to me. Wanna know which persons in history used those tactics? Tactics based on belief that you have the right to tell others how to live or die?
*this is even funnier with that avatar of yours.
Also I wonder what this two know.
Two senior FDA vaccine regulators are stepping down
Marion Gruber, director of the FDA's Office of Vaccines Research & Review, and deputy director Phil Krause will exit the agency.www.cnbc.com
i did not claim to know the long term effects of covid vaccination. no one knows. although you have no problem implying that it may lead to all sorts of problems by listing physiological functions
what we do know are the short term effects of low vaccination rates: death, disease, over loaded health care systems, economic and social disruption, etc etc
so shall we make decisions based on what we know now, or what might happen in the future, which we know nothing about
i haven’t posted any authoritarian opinions. i haven’t said anywhere that anyone should be forced to do anything
what i have tried to do is point out when people post dangerous misinformation and lies and explain why they are dangerous. as well as mention tangentially my OPINION that people have a responsibility to their communities that is at least as important as their individual rights
oh, greater but still similar to the seasonal flu, ok
Estimated Influenza-Related Illnesses, Medical Visits, Hospitalizations, and Deaths in the United States — 2019–2020 Influenza Season | CDC
CDC calculates estimates of disease burden in the United States using surveillance data and modeling to adjust for sources of under-detection. Burden estimates for the 2018-2019 season found here.
During the 2019-2020 influenza season, CDC estimates that influenza was associated with 38 million illnesses, 18 million medical visits, 405,000 hospitalizations, and 22,000 deaths
Fair enough, but following that logic isn't relying on short term data potentially dangerous for the safety of anybody involved?
Your words: "...being a responsible member of society means that your responsibility to your community trumps your individual “rights”..." (this is a authoritarian statement btw because in your belief only your action is right for the community but in fact you actually don't know that. It's just an opinion. Not to even mention that the community might be detrimental to somebodies health and in this case it can be them that are hurting he/she.
Afghanistan now is a perfect example. How is the Taliban lead community any good to all the women and girls over there? I would love to know.)
In order for your words to be actually true you need to prove that what you said is correct and factual in the context of taking the shot. Maybe short term does appear to be correct the way but that can be illusory cause for example you have been misled by greedy execs that see $$ and couldn't care less about people dying. They already made money on them. More will come so no issue.
The point I am trying to make is that vilifying others is ****ed up especially just cause some people are hesitant because they no longer trust the government that often takes ZERO accountability for their mistakes.
We wouldn't have this discussion at all if people would trust their leaders.
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Yet I'd almost be willing to bet a house payment few, if any, of these people demanding "social responsibility" stay home from work or keep their kids out of school when they get sick. This based upon my observation of human behavior over my lifetime.
"Honey, why do you make me beat you? Why are you making me do this...?"
No because if you went to school in America, proof isn't needed because schools require the proof.
If you come from other parts of the world the immigration system checks it.
This is new enough where it isn't mandated and all the others already carry a mandate at kindergarten, middle school and college.
I don’t think that is true at all.
They seem to rather pretend it doesn’t exist, or is just a cold.
None. They want to go none far with HIPAA violations. HIPAA isn't in any way relevant to Apple.
I think you might be confusing it with HIPPA?
After hearing of that physician, the news hit that three other fully vaccinated physicians in a nearby bigger city are in their ICU with full blown COVID infections, and the hospitals are now 'asking' all staff to be tested.
They are currently intubated, and on 'full flow oxygen'. Their prognosis is not good, as once someone is intubated, their chances of survival generally decline for as long as they are hooked up.
And, I hate to blow your bubble, but there are no guarantees that a fully vaccinated person can avoid a severe infection, and death. People fully vaccinated are dying. Seriously, people that are fully vaccinated are dying. Does that mean people shouldn't be vaccinated? No. Those physicians lasted in a very harsh environment for a long time, until now.
Don't believe that you are safe. Take your safety seriously!
And reading your post, you are nuts. That 'crazy high survival rate' means nothing if you are the one dying on a respirator, doesn't it? And this has NOTHING to do with the Spanish Flu. Stop reading crap from people that seem to want people to die from this. This is getting worse, and it's getting worse because WE MADE IT THAT WAY!
And I am done with this dumpster fire of a thread. I will do my best to survive this, for those that choose otherwise, I wish you the best...
I certainly could have worded that better, which is why I removed that post, as I realized I didn't actually have time to say what I was trying to say
being a responsible member of society means that one's individual rights must not negatively impact the rights and safety of other individuals. so if one insists on acting irresponsibly towards their community, that is in ways that can negatively effect there rights (in this case by potentially causing harm, suffering and even death) and claiming this action as a right than yes, their responsibility to their community should indeed trump their individual rights in that case.
there is nothing authoritarian about this conception all, not least of which because I'm not intending anyone be forced to do anything, but rather talking about what they ought to do. furthermore, to act in this manner is indeed a requirement for a well functioning civil society. I'm sure you are familiar with the distinction between freedom from and freedom to, and perhaps also the arguably related christian conception of "the golden rule" (I'm not religious myself to be sure, but I'm a fan of the golden rule)
as far as "In order for your words to be actually true you need to prove that what you said is correct and factual in the context of taking the shot," that's a fairly convoluted sentence that I'm not sure what to do with.
perhaps you can help me here, but it seems like you are trying to say that if we cannot guarantee that there will be no future negative effects of vaccination that no one should have to be vaccinated?
does that not run both ways? what about the future effects of so many people dying from covid and those that survive it for whom the long term effects are as yet unknown? setting aside the fact that the current negative effects of low vaccination rates far outweigh the current negative effects of being vaccinated, it certainly SEEMS riskier to me to bet on less vaccination providing the better outcome. but if we are honest none of actually know the future. does that mean we shan't have an opinon?
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This is why adults need to be vaccinated; because young kids can't.
news.yahoo.com
A 6-year-old girl lays Tennessee hospital after contracting COVID-19 and developing multisystem inflammatory syndrome.
Tennessee girl suffers from rare COVID-19-linked syndrome, in need of blood donations
A 6-year-old girl lays Tennessee hospital after contracting COVID-19 and developing multisystem inflammatory syndrome.
A 6-year-old girl lays Tennessee hospital after contracting COVID-19 and developing multisystem inflammatory syndrome.
Have you ever had a flu during the summer? If this is just a flu we should be fine now right? Right?oh, greater but still similar to the seasonal flu, ok
Estimated Influenza-Related Illnesses, Medical Visits, Hospitalizations, and Deaths in the United States — 2019–2020 Influenza Season | CDC
CDC calculates estimates of disease burden in the United States using surveillance data and modeling to adjust for sources of under-detection. Burden estimates for the 2018-2019 season found here.www.cdc.gov
During the 2019-2020 influenza season, CDC estimates that influenza was associated with 38 million illnesses, 18 million medical visits, 405,000 hospitalizations, and 22,000 deaths
Flu fatality rate is 0.057% vs Covid 1.6%. Yeah those extra a few hundreds thousands death are nothing. They’re just people dying from super flu.
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Rhat's pretty insulting that you compare getting a vaccine or wearing a piece of cloth on your face to domestic violence.
Until you do 30+ minutes of CPR in a plastic gown, N95, surgical mask, two pairs of gloves and a face shield, you should probably stop complaining about wearing some fabric over your face to go to the grocery store or getting an FDA approved vaccine, as people have done for a hundred years.
As you have no idea of what I've done in my life, you can probably stop deciding what I can or cannot complain about.
I'll give you a hint though: the US Navy was involved.
So yeah, being cancelled by people who claim to have only my best interests at heart if I don't succumb to their blackmail is pretty effing insulting in and of itself. But let me know if you want a tissue, tough guy.
Do your best to survive a virus with a 99.995 survival rate under 50 even without the vaccine? I think you will be okay….f fully vaccinated people 8000 have been hospitalized and 1700 have died in the US. It’s extremely rare.
No one wants people do die from this but we can only do so much. It’s an out of control pandemic. You do what you think is best for you and so will everyone else .
no one’s cancelled you and yes, we know you were in the military since you mention it every few posts even though it’s completely irrelevant
making light of domestic violence is pretty messed up though
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That's the issue...surviving vs 100% back to normal. The two aren't the same.
Well, I'd say in this thread alone there is a contigent, rather one sided, who wants people to die because of this. And they are rather vocal about it.
Then they pretend they can't understand why I won't doxx my doctor.
no one wants you to doxx your doctor
once again, you made an extraordinary claim — that your doctor, who by an amazing coincidence also happens to be an expert immunologist, told you not to get vaccinated because you already had covid.
an extraordinary claim requires some sort of validation if anyone is to believe it. if you don’t want to provide that validation that’s fine. just don’t expect anyone to believe what you are saying
and the only people who seem to want anyone to die are those who refuse to be vaccinated
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