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He agreed. I have one this decisive battle of defending my right to be hesitant.
nobody ever said you don’t have a right to be hesitant

i would argue that you have an obligation however to not put others in your community at risk by being unvaccinated and by spreading deadly and dangerous misinformation and lies
 
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Their risk of hospitalization is higher but some of those risk are negligible.

The risk of hospitalization in healthy 30 year old is (just estimating) 1 in 100000 and death is 1 in 2000000. If you get vaccinated you....might cut those risks by 4/5. But the risks are so small that the benefit is negligible.

This has always been the problem for public health policy with CV19. On average harmless to the young and deadly to the elderly. So public health policy which ignores this produces dumb decisions and recommendations. But since boomers are terrified of death and they run everything we run around scared of a disease that is mostly harmless to the young and healthy.
Yeah I’m an ER nurse. Didn’t get it until July this year. Expected to get it way sooner. Was absolutely miserable, but that’s what happens when you’re sick. I only have mild asthma which is NOT a risk factor with COVID (contrary to assumptions by many unless you have it moderate to severely) so I wasn’t worried. Media and politicians have been exploiting the word science.
 
But since boomers are terrified of death and they run everything ...
*tsk* Not all boomers are scaredy-cats, afraid of their own shadows and, no, we don't "run everything." I'm close to mid-boomer age, have been retired for four years, and most of my generation have taken to retiring at an earlier age than did I. It's probably mostly Gen-X'ers running most things, now?
 
Well, one reason to get vaccinated is that our hospitals are full. So its not about covid going away
its about slowing it down. But its not just about the vaccine, these people do not wear a mask or
stop going to events. So its kind of all we have. And we don't really know yet were this is going
vaccines may slow it down and slow down the variants.
Well, it’s a damn shame that evil people would create such a nasty virus. Fortunately, we have rights and liberties in this country. Sucks the hospitals are overwhelmed (ER nurse here), but it’s the fault of bad humans making bad decisions. People have a right to be skeptical. This might be the safest vaccine ever created. But 1) we have rights, and 2) you can’t say you KNOW the long term implications of a vaccine that was rush developed. You can’t know. Again, might be the safest one yet, but you can’t know. Not this soon. This vaccine “technology” has been in the works for close to twenty years, but not this specific vaccine. See people think when you challenge the idea of mandates it means you’re all “antivax” which simply isn’t true. Anyone has a right to be skeptical. And sorry to disappoint anyone concerned but the government has already said it will NEVER be mandated at a federal level.
 
Well, it’s a damn shame that evil people would create such a nasty virus. Fortunately, we have rights and liberties in this country. Sucks the hospitals are overwhelmed (ER nurse here), but it’s the fault of bad humans making bad decisions. People have a right to be skeptical. This might be the safest vaccine ever created. But 1) we have rights, and 2) you can’t say you KNOW the long term implications of a vaccine that was rush developed. You can’t know. Again, might be the safest one yet, but you can’t know. Not this soon. This vaccine “technology” has been in the works for close to twenty years, but not this specific vaccine. See people think when you challenge the idea of mandates it means you’re all “antivax” which simply isn’t true. Anyone has a right to be skeptical. And sorry to disappoint anyone concerned but the government has already said it will NEVER be mandated at a federal level.
Finally. A level headed reply. Be careful, it might be considered heresy to some.

Damn.

After 50 years on this earth, I am finally starting to understand 1930’s Germany.

This hate is getting out of control. Don’t let fear control you.
Many of these forum posters, have so much vicious hate, against another’s personal choice and hesitancy. Some people wishing others dead for not taking the vaccine is a little extreme.
 
Finally. A level headed reply. Be careful, it might be considered heresy to some.
There's no "might" about it.

Many of these forum posters, have so much vicious hate, against another’s personal choice and hesitancy. Some people wishing others dead for not taking the vaccine is a little extreme.
Only goes to prove civilization is a very thin veneer.

Somebody once asked me "Doesn't it worry you that just anybody can go out and get a gun?" "No," I replied, "what worries me are those so irrationally fearful of guns and people owning them they'd be happy to initiate a gun- and gun-owner pogrom at the drop of a hat. Those are the people that scare me."

Individuals that haven't demonstrated ill intent toward me don't scare me. Groups of people, thoroughly convinced of their own righteousness, and prepared to enforce their views on others--with violence, if necessary, scare me. Such people will agree that things like the Spanish Inquisition, the Salem Witch Trials, Kristallnacht, lynch mobs, the WWII internment of people of Japanese descent, and McCarthyism were evil, never seeing what they propose is the exact same thing.
 
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You mean the CDC who changed their policy and now called any death with 2 weeks of vaccine an unvaccinated death?

Changed it from what? “Fully vaccinated” has always been defined as 2 weeks after vaccination, when the immune system has finished processing the vaccine. Can you please link to the earlier policy?

If you are going to have 2 categories you need to define when someone moves from one to the other. 2 weeks is that definition. Always has been as far as I’m aware.
 
Oh, you still think this came from bats right?

no but i did forget about the broader covid conspiracy plot

truly a magnificent work of science fiction

i’d love to hear your theories on the anunaki and the gold standard
 
Even the inventor of mRNA concurs with the reasons I listed for vaccine hesitancy.

🤣🤣🤣

That explains why you’re not trying to defend the copy pasta— you didn’t write it and don’t understand it well enough to defend it! You literally copied it from /r/conspiracy!

Thanks, I was just wondering to myself, how is it that someone who seems to slip in and out of understanding that covid and the flu are different things, and doesn’t understand how masks work or why, suddenly starts quoting scientific papers but can’t seem to defend them against criticism in real time. I was waiting until I had time to start doing a web search to see if this was just part of an organized effort to push this nonsense.

You saved me the time. Ok. It makes sense now— you don’t understand what you’re saying, you’re just parroting what you’ve found on reddit. I’m sure the original authors are happy to share credit— they probably don’t want that connected to them either. They’re just seeding the meme monster and you’re just helping The Cause.

🤣🤣🤣
 
is Apple also wanting info about measles, mumps, polio vaccines? how about having had chicken pox?

how about flu history? extreme allergies? oh wait, what defines extreme?

just how far does Apple want to go with HIPAA violations?

"for the common good ...."

[burst bubble] we're not in communist China [/burstbubble]



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There's no "might" about it.


Only goes to prove civilization is a very thin veneer.

Somebody once asked me "Doesn't it worry you that just anybody can go out and get a gun?" "No," I replied, "what worries me are those so irrationally fearful of guns and people owning them they'd be happy to initiate a gun- and gun-owner pogrom at the drop of a hat. Those are the people that scare me."

Individuals that haven't demonstrated ill intent toward me don't scare me. Groups of people, thoroughly convinced of their own righteousness, and prepared to enforce their views on others--with violence, if necessary, scare me. Such people will agree that things like the Spanish Inquisition, the Salem Witch Trials, Kristallnacht, lynch mobs, the WWII internment of people of Japanese descent, and McCarthyism were evil, never seeing what they propose is the exact same thing.
Thank you for posting. It has been clear people like this exist in this very forum, they have become radicalized to hate
 
A physician friend of mine, fully vaccinated, has contracted COVID. He's awaiting sequencing results, but one would bet it's the Delta variant. It's hitting home here, too close now. It's past time for people to get their big boy/girl pants on, and take one for the team, and mask up, vaccinate up, and stay the hell away from each other. Imagine if this were small pox, polio, rubella, scabies, head lice, ebola, HIV, food poisoning! We'd all be dead, or wishing we were.

Monty Python made fun of it, but the plague was nothing to laugh at. MILLIONS of people died. Whole families wiped out. Whole cities and villages. Is there any humanity, sanity, left?

 
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is Apple also wanting info about measles, mumps, polio vaccines? how about having had chicken pox?

how about flu history? extreme allergies? oh wait, what defines extreme?

just how far does Apple want to go with HIPAA violations?

"for the common good ...."

[burst bubble] we're not in communist China [/burstbubble]



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Nope, just the highly contagious virus going around that 1000+ people a day are dying from. The majority of the diseases you mention were eradicated, due to vaccines. Vaccine mandates are constitutional and have been for over 100 years.
 
I don't think we landed on the moon either. Maybe CIA killed Kennedy. 🤣 🤣
Well, Kennedy was right that there is a plot to enslave every man, woman and child. He just didn’t play his cards right but I believe his heart was in a right place.

Considering that US is still buying Russian rocket engines, the landing on the moon was obviously a fake. I will even doubt that without Russia US “space program” can exist.
 
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A physician friend of mine, fully vaccinated, has contracted COVID. He's awaiting sequencing results, but one would bet it's the Delta variant. It's hitting home here, too close now. It's past time for people to get their big boy/girl pants on, and take one for the team, and mask up, vaccinate up, and stay the hell away from each other. Imagine if this were small pox, polio, rubella, scabies, head lice, ebola, HIV, food poisoning! We'd all be dead, or wishing we were.

Monty Python made fun of it, but the plague was nothing to laugh at. MILLIONS of people died. Whole families wiped out. Whole cities and villages. Is there any humanity, sanity, left?

Whats your point…because he’s vaccinated he will be just fine in 99.999% of the cases and at most have the sniffles. There seems to this false sense that we can beat this or erradicate it. That has never been in the cards. This is nothing like smallpox or polio. This is a very contagious diesease that also has a crazy high survival rate and many people don’t even know they have because they are asymptomatic. This is much more like the spanish flu (but luckily doesn’t target young healthy people like that did). The spanish flu is still around today…little thing known as h1n1.
 
Still no data, but some aggressive posturing and cry emojis! Dispooooted!

That’s also why data has had no impact when you’re presented with it. It’s like trying to get a Xerox to stop printing leaflets by explaining Milton Friedman to it…

Now I realize I’ve been giving data about Iceland and OSHA to the feeder tray, but you’re only configured to process what’s placed on the glass…
 
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People have good legitimate reasons to be reluctant. The vicious attack dogs on this thread should respect others decisions.

I have no problem with other people’s decisions for themselves, if they accept the ramifications of those decisions. If you don’t want to be vaccinated, and accept that your interactions with the rest of society will be constrained and that there are certain places you can’t go because you’ve made that decision, including certain businesses, I’m fine with that.

I do have a problem with spreading false and misleading information to try and convince others.

I also have a problem with people thinking they can make a decision for themselves without taking responsibility for the impact of that decision on others.
 
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