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Apple Backpedals, Puts "All Eligible Products" Back on EPEAT Environmental Registry

DoNoHarm said:
I think Macrumors.com deserves a lot of credit here. You guys acted like true journalists and brought this issue to the public's attention and the world is a better place because of it. Thanks! :)
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I read about it on Apple Insider before it was posted on Mac Rumors.
 
the world is a slightly happier place now I know that Apple computer's components will be salted back into the earth from which they spawned... Jobs be praised
 
beamer8912 said:
Bummer. I thought this might be the kick Apple needs to realize that putting proprietary hardware in their laptops is a big middle finger to its customers.
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Can you show me the non-proprietary SSD sticks that Apple should have used instead? Or are you suggesting Apple should use AA batteries instead of their proprietary ones?
 
manu chao said:
Can you show me the non-proprietary SSD sticks that Apple should have used instead? Or are you suggesting Apple should use AA batteries instead of their proprietary ones?
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You mean besides using any of the standard micro/mini-sata interfaces that all other SSDs use? :confused: Besides intentionally restricting DIY upgrades, I would love to know a reason a customer would find positive. (before you claim that it needs to be so because of the form factor, we have in the market the Asus Zenbook - same form factor as the Air, but as a DIMM slot for RAM upgrades, and a standard SATA connector for SSD upgrade/replacement).
 
 
cube said:
That you can return a product to the manufacturer for recycling is not enough.
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No, and it shouldn't be enough. It's wasteful to ship your ewaste across continents for disassembly and recycling, when local or regional facilities could do the job.

And for the "just take it to the Apple store" argument - think about the reality that for most people the closest Apple store is hours away - if there even is one in their country.

Working with EPEAT is the right decision, nice to see that the new Apple is able to say "oops" and fix something quickly.
 
I kind of feel bad for Bob having to take all the heat about this. Wasn't this Apple's decision as a whole? Why not have it be a letter from Apple or a letter from Tim Cook?
 
minnus said:
You mean besides using any of the standard micro/mini-sata interfaces that all other SSDs use? :confused: Besides intentionally restricting DIY upgrades, I would love to know a reason a customer would find positive. (before you claim that it needs to be so because of the form factor, we have in the market the Asus Zenbook - same form factor as the Air, but as a DIMM slot for RAM upgrades, and a standard SATA connector for SSD upgrade/replacement).
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As with everyone else, you're always welcome to purchase a product that you prefer more.
But if you make a purchase, and then you complain about it for whatever reason, you really only have yourself to blame.

Buyer beware.
 
 
Wow! Good job Apple! Taking that PR hit to get the RMBP to gold was worth it. Way to get EPEAT to cave.

I wonder what all the RMBP haters are now going to say, EPEAT isn't worth much anymore now that they gave the RMBP Gold certification?

Are they going to eat their words now that the RMBP is actually recyclable once again, though it wasn't yesterday? :cool:
 
iceterminal said:
As with everyone else, you're always welcome to purchase a product that you prefer more.
But if you make a purchase, and then you complain about it for whatever reason, you really only have yourself to blame.

Buyer beware.
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Thanks for your insightful contribution!
 
JohnDoe98 said:
Wow! Good job Apple! Taking that PR hit to get the RMBP to gold was worth it. Way to get EPEAT to cave.

I wonder what all the RMBP haters are now going to say, EPEAT isn't worth much anymore now that they gave the RMBP Gold certification?

Are they going to eat their words now that the RMBP is actually recyclable once again, though it wasn't yesterday? :cool:
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This makes it seem as though EPEAT needs Apple more than Apple needs EPEAT. If a particular Apple product meets EPEAT guidelines, then it meets them whether apple participates or not.

Where does Apple get the power to withdraw ALL of its products from EPEAT's roles...even the ones that are in compliance...unless EPEAT needs the cachet of being associated with Apple?
 
doelcm82 said:
This makes it seem as though EPEAT needs Apple more than Apple needs EPEAT. If a particular Apple product meets EPEAT guidelines, then it meets them whether apple participates or not.

Where does Apple get the power to withdraw ALL of its products from EPEAT's roles...even the ones that are in compliance...unless EPEAT needs the cachet of being associated with Apple?
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Well, I think that's right. Both of them made some changes and concession, EPEAT's CEO in his letter now says:

An interesting question for EPEAT is how to reward innovations that are not yet envisioned with standards that are fixed at a point in time. Diverse goals, optional points awarded for innovations not yet described, and flexibility within specified parameters to make this happen are all on the table in EPEAT stakeholder discussions. And of course, timely standards development, as with newly created Imaging Equipment and Television standards, and the current refresh of the PC/Display standard, is critical as well.
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Clearly that acknowledgement came as a result of Apple pulling out entirely of EPEAT when it wouldn't certify the RMBP as gold, yet now that Apple bit the bullet and backpedaled, EPEAT releases that statement and Apple goes back in and gets it's gold label.

So in the end it looks like Apple got what it wanted by causing all this commotion. And honestly I think Apple is to be applauded, they didn't care how they would look in the press, they just wanted their products to meet the highest standard of EPEAT certification, and they wanted EPEAT to consider some more modern metrics. Apple seems to care more about the product then it's image, which is why it didn't mind pulling this stunt.
 
All I want to know from the Senior Vice President of Hardware Engineering Bob Mansfield is where are the updated iMac's and Mac Mini?
 
pubwvj said:
In other words, it worked. EPEAT is now willing to change to meet Apple's needs for design improvement. All of this was to force EPEAT to update the standards and it worked.
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This is my thinking as well. Also, rMBP is Gold certified by EPEAT, so this was a non issue for the current lineup.

EPEAT should learn, as most of Apple's competitors did, to follow Apple's lead.
 
Big enough to acknowledge that this was indeed a mistake. Well done Apple, the EPEAT registry is hopelessly out of date and is in need of an update, but it's better to fight your corner from the inside than just walking away.

A smart move here.
 
gmanist1000 said:
Companies make mistakes...
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Or perhaps it was a clever game, to get EPEAT to welcome Apple back, compliment them and the allow them to raise the standards benchmarks to a level that only Apple can afford and have the foresight to compete?

It also gave Apple a chance to brag about being a industry leader in reducing use of toxic chemicals and in transparency.

Conspiracy theory?

But it's also classic to have the guy who's already retiring, to fall on his sword.

What Dell or HP news hit the mainstream media this week? None.
 
DoNoHarm said:
I think Macrumors.com deserves a lot of credit here. You guys acted like true journalists and brought this issue to the public's attention and the world is a better place because of it. Thanks! :)
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Maybe you can win a Pulitzer, if you would only stop using 'weighs in at' I would vote for you myself

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kdarling said:
It's unbelievable that anyone would try to spin this as planned.

Google the phrase "Apple backpedals". It's been a common refrain for a decade.
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Every single "Apple backpedals" was written by a journalist on the internet trying to 'spin' a story.

Google "Beleaguered Apple"
 
myrtlebee said:
I kind of feel bad for Bob having to take all the heat about this. Wasn't this Apple's decision as a whole? Why not have it be a letter from Apple or a letter from Tim Cook?
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I'm sure he'll be fine in two months when he's relaxing at home, swimming in his pool of 80 million $1 bills.

Or to put it another way, Bob is in charge of hardware. This issue is about hardware. Seems like the right guy to respond.
 
kdarling said:
It's unbelievable that anyone would try to spin this as planned. If Apple wanted changes, they'd have done it quietly.

No company wants huge negative publicity like this.

Google the phrase "Apple backpedals". It's been a common refrain for a decade.

Apple constantly tries to be in total control. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
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Oh, it wasn't planned. This was a reaction to not being able to get their flagship laptop certified. Doing it quietly would have taken far longer.

A few days ago, the MacBook Retina didn't qualify for EPEAT.
Then we had this rather embarrassing tussle.
Now the same machine has gold status.

If Apple hadn't taken the PR hit then it would look as though they bribed their way to a certification. That would be a whole lot worse.
 
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