Apple 'Battling' to Free Up iPhone Shipments as India Holds Up Imports From China

[d5aqoëp]

China and India have beef. Recently they were killing each other at altitude with sticks and clubs with nails in them and it seems India faired worse.

Likely a contributing factor as to why India are doing this... I don’t blame them.

According to news reports, 20 Indian soldiers lost their lives, but no one seems to know anything other than, there were Chinese casualties.

I’m sure there’s more to this story but if I had to decide which country to trust, it’s India all the way. How can anything this Communist state say be believed? I mean recently, didn’t they just come out with something like, ‘actually we got our Covid-19 death figures wrong. They should be increased by EXACTLY 50%’... Absolute joke.

This started when Chinese killed Indian CO (officer) while he was there in Chinese camp for peace talks. Apparently, Chinese govt accepted that 2 of their higher ranking generals had died in the fight. One report puts Chinese casualties at 20-50. The reason for 20 Indian soldiers death was Chinese threw boulders and crude spikes from top and Indian soldiers slipped into Galwan river. But once they reached the spot where Chinese had infiltrated, it was game over for Chinese. Such sheer force was exerted on them by Indian Ghatak and Bihar regiment that necks of Chinese soldiers were found twisted and faces mangled beyond recognition. The Ghatak regiment specialises in hand to hand combat. 10 Indian soldiers who crossed over into China side while chasing the fleeing Chinese army were caught. But they were returned promptly fearing more Indian hand to hand attacks. The returned 10 soldiers were high in morale even after capture. According to border treaty, India and China are not allowed to use any weapons during border patrol.

This story forms the background for banning of apps and delay in custom clearance of goods from China. India is not a salami where China can take it’s territory slice by slice.

 

[B4U]

For a moment I thought you were talking about Huawei's CFO Meng Wanzhou being holed up in CANADA on silly political charges for breaking AMERICAN sanctions in Iran… or about Pompeo acting as if Hong Kong were a US state.

But then I realized you are just as clueless as most people about the extent to which the US controls this world, sets its own rules for everyone else, and finally makes itself an exemption to any of those rules. American exceptionalism, gravity does not apply to us.


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Yeah, they should have learned from that Chinese spy Xuedan or Snowden or whatever his name was, about all those Chinese spy programs like Xkeyscore, Prism, Echeleon and all those Chinese operations. The Chinese even tapped Frau Merkel's phone! Or wait… was that…?

Yeah, pot calling kettle black. The CCP hacked into the US Office of Personnel Management in 2015 and has my files. So what is your point?

I am still waiting for your evidence of where the America was claiming that they are a "developing country" in the past 70 years.

Apple 'Battling' to Free Up iPhone Shipments as India Holds Up Imports From China

Please provide me with an example where America was claiming that they are a "developing country" in the past 70 years. Thank you in advance. 1593706246 Yeah, especially their national security "law" includes the whole world whether they are residents of China or not. In addition, the "law"...

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What evidence makes your trust US's COVID 19 figure more than China's? Curious to know.

I don't know, mate.
Perhaps because the CCP forced those whistle-blower doctors to shut up when they first discovered the virus?
And sadly, a couple of those doctors later died from the virus.

 

[coldwaves]

Figures supplied by the Trump gang are as suspect as any authoritarian clinging to power.

But, in the US there are alternative sources that are reliable: select state governments, university researchers and a variety of news sources (not Fox).

I agree with the assessment that there seems to be multiple "sources", but in the end, the original source of data is county/city/state government/health authority. University teams, e.g. JHU's COVID dashboard etc, obtain their data from these sources. US CDC compiles their data from these sources. News media gets data from these sources too. University researchers or journalists have no way to count cases themselves. On exception may be in the early days when cases are very few. Then, local news media may be able to track all cases in a city or county, but this becomes impossible when there are hundred or thousand cases each day for a city. I would say there is really one source. That source is local health authority. Other sources aggregate these data.

This is the same in China. You have these multiple "sources" of data. City and provincial government health authority publish their COVID count. China CDC compiles these data to have country wide case count. News media do their own compilation based on local health authority data and local media/social media sources. But in the end, the major original source is still city health authority. No other source can replace that.

There are other technical things we ca discuss about the data. But just from looking at number of sources, I don't see differences. The original source is local government. There are multiple sources doing the aggregation. Same in both countries.
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Yeah, pot calling kettle black. The CCP hacked into the US Office of Personnel Management in 2015 and has my files. So what is your point?

I am still waiting for your evidence of where the America was claiming that they are a "developing country" in the past 70 years.

Apple 'Battling' to Free Up iPhone Shipments as India Holds Up Imports From China

Please provide me with an example where America was claiming that they are a "developing country" in the past 70 years. Thank you in advance. 1593706246 Yeah, especially their national security "law" includes the whole world whether they are residents of China or not. In addition, the "law"...

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I don't know, mate.
Perhaps because the CCP forced those whistle-blower doctors to shut up when they first discovered the virus?
And sadly, a couple of those doctors later died from the virus.

But same thing happened in the US. US CDC shut up doctors and prevent them from testing people that are indeed COVID 19 cases. There is hospital firing doctors for speaking up about COVID 19 issues. Bringing this up does not provide any evidence that US data is more reliable.

 

[macdos]

But that is not true. Li Wenliang and colleagues did not "discover" the virus, they merely discussed a resurgence of SARS after they learned about a genome sequencing of the new pneumonia, a result that turned out to be false. Zhang Jixian is the doctor who discovered the virus, and neither she nor anyone else was forced to do anything but follow protocol, i.e. go through the CDC rather than speculating on public channels on the net.

Perhaps because the CCP forced those whistle-blower doctors to shut up when they first discovered the virus?
And sadly, a couple of those doctors later died from the virus.

 

[tongxinshe]

China's Commerce Ministry said on Thursday that it hoped India would "correct its discriminatory actions against Chinese companies immediately,

the irony in this! how about you stop discrimination against your own people. Yes, Muslims are part of their country

Stop blindly trusting reports sponsored by and purely serve for extremist groups. If you experience it yourself, specifically on the topic of discriminating Muslims, you will know China is friendlier than the US.

 

[phalseHUD]

What evidence makes your trust US's COVID 19 figure more than China's? Curious to know.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/g34oef

It was all over the news... BBC, Guardian, Daily Mail, Al Jazeera, every outlet.

China cannot be believed and that’s that.

 

[ericwn]

This started when Chinese killed Indian CO (officer) while he was there in Chinese camp for peace talks. Apparently, Chinese govt accepted that 2 of their higher ranking generals had died in the fight. One report puts Chinese casualties at 20-50. The reason for 20 Indian soldiers death was Chinese threw boulders and crude spikes from top and Indian soldiers slipped into Galwan river. But once they reached the spot where Chinese had infiltrated, it was game over for Chinese. Such sheer force was exerted on them by Indian Ghatak and Bihar regiment that necks of Chinese soldiers were found twisted and faces mangled beyond recognition. The Ghatak regiment specialises in hand to hand combat. 10 Indian soldiers who crossed over into China side while chasing the fleeing Chinese army were caught. But they were returned promptly fearing more Indian hand to hand attacks. The returned 10 soldiers were high in morale even after capture. According to border treaty, India and China are not allowed to use any weapons during border patrol.

This story forms the background for banning of apps and delay in custom clearance of goods from China. India is not a salami where China can take it’s territory slice by slice.

Sounds like India has forgotten all about peacefulness once again. Ghandi spins in his grave.

Trying to make anything about this conflict sound positive is just disgusting.

 

[itsmilo]

Stop blindly trusting reports sponsored by and purely serve for extremist groups. If you experience it yourself, specifically on the topic of discriminating Muslims, you will know China is friendlier than the US.

in America you can say „USA sucks!“ in China you would get the whole website banned

 

[macdos]

For saying "USA sucks"?

in America you can say „USA sucks!“ in China you would get the whole website banned

 

[coldwaves]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/g34oef

It was all over the news... BBC, Guardian, Daily Mail, Al Jazeera, every outlet.

China cannot be believed and that’s that.

US does that too. It does that multiple times. it was all over the news.

N.Y.C. Death Toll Soars Past 10,000 in Revised Virus Count (Published 2020)

The city has added more than 3,700 additional people who were presumed to have died of the coronavirus but had never tested positive.

www.nytimes.com

NY Death Toll From Child COVID Syndrome Revised Down After New Report

A new report on multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children ruled out one of three deaths previously associated with MIS-C in New York by health officials. The New England Journal of Medicine released its findings Monday on a study of 99 young patients reported to meet New York’s definition of...

www.nbcnewyork.com

The question we are discussing is what evidence make one trust US data more than China. Showing something both countries did does not constitute any evidence that data from one country are more reliable than the other.

In fact, revising death toll during a pandemic is very common. Surveillance is never complete and using other source to retroactively examining missing case is the responsible thing to do. Many countries did that.

France's Covid-19 toll sees slight decrease based on revised care home data

France revised its total death toll from the coronavirus pandemic to 28,022 on Tuesday, down from 28,239 a day earlier, as the government adjusted data provided by regional health authorities.

www.france24.com

Coronavirus: UK deaths pass 26,000 as figures include care home cases

The foreign secretary says the figure is not a "sudden surge", as it includes retrospective deaths.

www.bbc.com

 

[B4U]

But that is not true. Li Wenliang and colleagues did not "discover" the virus, they merely discussed a resurgence of SARS after they learned about a genome sequencing of the new pneumonia, a result that turned out to be false. Zhang Jixian is the doctor who discovered the virus, and neither she nor anyone else was forced to do anything but follow protocol, i.e. go through the CDC rather than speculating on public channels on the net.

Again, more spinning.

 

[Packers1958]

You reap what you sow when you have spent years taking advantage of cheap labor.

 

[phalseHUD]

US does that too. It does that multiple times. it was all over the news.

N.Y.C. Death Toll Soars Past 10,000 in Revised Virus Count (Published 2020)

The city has added more than 3,700 additional people who were presumed to have died of the coronavirus but had never tested positive.

www.nytimes.com

NY Death Toll From Child COVID Syndrome Revised Down After New Report

A new report on multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children ruled out one of three deaths previously associated with MIS-C in New York by health officials. The New England Journal of Medicine released its findings Monday on a study of 99 young patients reported to meet New York’s definition of...

www.nbcnewyork.com

The question we are discussing is what evidence make one trust US data more than China. Showing something both countries did does not constitute any evidence that data from one country are more reliable than the other.

In fact, revising death toll during a pandemic is very common. Surveillance is never complete and using other source to retroactively examining missing case is the responsible thing to do. Many countries did that.

France's Covid-19 toll sees slight decrease based on revised care home data

France revised its total death toll from the coronavirus pandemic to 28,022 on Tuesday, down from 28,239 a day earlier, as the government adjusted data provided by regional health authorities.

www.france24.com

Coronavirus: UK deaths pass 26,000 as figures include care home cases

The foreign secretary says the figure is not a "sudden surge", as it includes retrospective deaths.

www.bbc.com

Obviously figures will be revised, I understand, expect and get that... But by a nice round 50%? I’m not having it, simple as that for me.

I trust the US more than China because the US is not a despotic communist regime responsible for the deaths of millions of its citizens, as China is. Is the US perfect? FAR FROM IT, but I’d take democracy any day of the week over communism.

 

[d5aqoëp]

Sounds like India has forgotten all about peacefulness once again. Ghandi spins in his grave.

Trying to make anything about this conflict sound positive is just disgusting.

Well, Gandhi might be a peace icon to the world. But his ideals are redundant in front of modern day Chinese aggression. TBH, most of Indian youth hate Gandhi for not interfering when India was broken into 3 pieces. This is new India. Aggression is dealt with more aggression.

 

[ElectricPotato]

But just from looking at number of sources, I don't see differences.

If Xi Jinping tells a regional authority or hospital to adjust or restrict access to numbers that will happen. If a US federal official tells the state government of New York or a hospital in California to do the same they will be told to pound sand. If you don't believe either of those statements then we will have to agree to disagree.

 

[coldwaves]

Obviously figures will be revised, I understand, expect and get that... But by a nice round 50%? I’m not having it, simple as that for me.

I trust the US more than China because the US is not a despotic communist regime responsible for the deaths of millions of its citizens, as China is. Is the US perfect? FAR FROM IT, but I’d take democracy any day of the week over communism.

Wuhan added 1290 death to its previous total of 2579. That is 50.19% increase.
New York City added 3778 death to its previous total of 6589. That is 57.32% increase.
You are basically saying 57.32% is somehow more trustworthy than 50.19%. I don't see any logic here.


Now if your whole reasoning is based on ideological or political system differences, no further discussion is needed. That's not using facts or evidence to check the reliability of data. That's just personal opinion and I certainly respect your opinion.

 

[Mr Staunton]

Setup plants in India, improve their economy and they might stop calling me at dinner time.

 

[coldwaves]

If Xi Jinping tells a regional authority or hospital to adjust or restrict access to numbers that will happen. If a US federal official tells the state government of New York or a hospital in California to do the same they will be told to pound sand. If you don't believe either of those statements then we will have to agree to disagree.

That's hypothetic proposition, not fact or evidence.

If Chinese president instructs someone to change the number, he/she probably can. I agree with that. But I don't have evidence that this has happened. Although I agree with your opinion on this, it is still an opinion, it does not make it a fact.

I don't agree with your statement about the US. In fact, US president has withdrawn federal funding for testing, leading to fewer test and thus potentially fewer cases detected. CDC set testing criteria that prevented detecting any community transmission. Dr. Rebekah Jones was fired for refusing to manipulate data. These are not hypothetical scenarios. These are clear evidence of data manipulation.

Overall, I don't believe your statements based on these facts. I agree to disagree.

 

[tongxinshe]

Let's say you earn $100, and pay 10% tax, so you pay $10 in taxes.
Now, Big Corp earns $1000000 and pays 0.000011 % tax, so they pay $11 in taxes.

Technically they pay more taxes than you do, without actually paying taxes. Stupid, right?

Yes, I agree, Stupid, you are!

Apple’s average corporate tax rate has been always around 26%, while Amazon’s is 0%. What’s your average income tax rate? I bet it’s lower than 26%.

 

[phalseHUD]

Wuhan added 1290 death to its previous total of 2579. That is 50.19% increase.
New York City added 3778 death to its previous total of 6589. That is 57.32% increase.
You are basically saying 57.32% is somehow more trustworthy than 50.19%. I don't see any logic here.


Now if your whole reasoning is based on ideological or political system differences, no further discussion is needed. That's not using facts or evidence to check the reliability of data. That's just personal opinion and I certainly respect your opinion.

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The reports I read all seemed to point to a perfectly round 50%. And those reports were China as a whole not just Wuhan. Unless I missed/misread/misunderstood? It appeared like it was just an arbitrary number plucked from wherever. In that case 57.32% sounds more believable than a nice round and exact 50%...

And I think the facts and figures surrounding the number of deaths of Chinese citizens at the hands of communist China since 1949, speak for themselves. Compare those with the number of deaths of citizens at the hands of their respective governments from democratic countries across the world and it should be painfully clear to see, that there’s more than just personal opinion at play...

 

[macdos]

It is correct to say that China has a historical problem of skewed stats. Local cadres over-reporting harvest figures led to the famine in the Great leap forward, and this behavior carries over into the present day. People would rather not stir up a mess if that could mean jeopardizing their comfy life, and at the same time their hands are often tied and they can't do anything without orders from above.

That said, there are standing orders from the central government not to conceal epidemics stats, and for a good reason. China has nothing to win and everything to lose by skewing such data, and so they don't.

Whatever the numbers, you just can't hide an epidemic. China borught its outbreak under control, while the US currently adds a whole Chinese epidemic every two days… the US has lost more people in corona in four months than in the combined wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Korea and Vietnam, or more people than in WWI if you will.

The world stands in awe of the US leadership…

And I think the facts and figures surrounding the number of deaths of Chinese citizens at the hands of communist China since 1949, speak for themselves. Compare those with the number of deaths of citizens at the hands of their respective governments from democratic countries across the world and it should be painfully clear to see, that there’s more than just personal opinion at play...

 

[coldwaves]

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The reports I read all seemed to point to a perfectly round 50%. And those reports were China as a whole not just Wuhan. Unless I missed/misread/misunderstood? It appeared like it was just an arbitrary number plucked from wherever. In that case 57.32% sounds more believable than a nice round and exact 50%...

And I think the facts and figures surrounding the number of deaths of Chinese citizens at the hands of communist China since 1949, speak for themselves. Compare those with the number of deaths of citizens at the hands of their respective governments from democratic countries across the world and it should be painfully clear to see, that there’s more than just personal opinion at play...

Only Wuhan has revised death count. If you are talking about the whole China, the increase is 1290 to a previous total of 3352. That is 38.48% increase. There is not an exact 50% increase no matter how you look at it, only Wuhan, or Hubei Province, or China in total.

Again, if whether trusting COVID-19 data or not comes down to political system differences, no further discussion will be fruitful. It is not relevant. Whether government did terrible things or had terrible policies in the past is not evidence on COVID-19 data validity. US government has done many terrible things causing huge number of casualties: the genocide of Native American, enslave of African American, atomic bomb to Japanese civilians, invasion of Iraq etc. But I don't think this is relevant to discussing data validity here. I don't dismiss US COVID19 because they have done these terrible things. Similarly, I don't dismiss China data because they have done terrible things before.

 

[AdonisSMU]

Gee, Tim, maybe it’s time to stop relying on an autocratic regime for the bulk of your supply chain.

Too bad the U.S. Government doesn’t have the backbone to stand with a fellow democracy, as imperfect as it may be, and do the same thing as India.
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It’s not communism (which actually doesn’t exist anywhere in the world today). It’s the totalitarian regime.

Democracies should not let their economies be dependent on totalitarian regimes. I don’t care if it is China for electronics or Saudi Arabia for oil.

(And just for the record, I’m not a socialist nor do I support socialism for the United States.)

Well I am in support of socialism for the United States. We all are whether or not we acknowledge it. Lets stop acting like government services like roads and police and schools aren't socialism.

 

[ericwn]

Well, Gandhi might be a peace icon to the world. But his ideals are redundant in front of modern day Chinese aggression. TBH, most of Indian youth hate Gandhi for not interfering when India was broken into 3 pieces. This is new India. Aggression is dealt with more aggression.

Yup, he was an icon for sure, and the reasons for his dismissal are exactly the same kind of crap he protested against. Sad, sad that you are here celebrating the deaths - and very brutal ones at that - instead of trying to further any of the two nations. Hate leads to more hate, aggression and counter-aggression lead nowhere. Proven plenty of times.

 

[ericwn]

Setup plants in India, improve their economy and they might stop calling me at dinner time.

Based on the recent news from India, their inability to resolve a border conflict without executions and tortures, I have my doubts that that’s a good idea.