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It has been posted before and most likely will have to be again. Apple cannot withdraw funds from your credit card account until they ship the item. A hold is just a pre-authorization. It just makes sure the funds are in the account (as stated on the front page). The pre-authorization only lasts for a limited time (as stated later in this thread) after which the process needs to be kept alive or Apple loses the sale without re-authorization.

A very general overview of what is happening, if anyone cares:

There is Apple, the vendor.
There is the merchant processing company.
There is the credit card company.*
There is the purchaser, you.

* For debit cards/bank check cards you can add that there is your bank.

The purchaser orders an item from the vendor. The vendor, who just happens to accept your credit card, takes the credit card number and submits it to the merchant processing company. The merchant processing company asks either the bank or credit account if there is $X available in the account to pay for the item (sometimes it is more, less, or exactly the amount of the item). If there is, the merchant processing company approves the transaction and puts a temporary hold on the funds assuming the vendor will want to complete the transaction within the contracted deadline. The vendor needs to act upon that pre-approval within a stated amount of time or the transaction is forfeit. If the vendor does not complete the transaction, they do not without the purchasers specific authorization, have authority to create a new ticket/transaction. The vendor would have to call everyone back and ask them to resubmit their order. If they (it could be Apple or their merchant processing company) tickle the account every so many days the ticket stays alive. That is why they so these pre-aprovals. Some banks "hold" the funds. They stay in your account but do not let you use them because they have been supposedly spoken for. Some banks do not. The money is still yours. It is in your bank. You might not have access to it for a day or two but it is there. If it is never taken by the merchant processing company you will have earned interest on it for the full period in a bank type account or not paid interest on it if a credit card.

Once the items are shipped the vendor closes what is called a "batch". That batch is all the approved transactions for that day, for orders shipped. The merchant processing company then processes the transaction and usually within three days "loans" the money to the vendor. At the same time they are requesting the funds from the purchasers bank or credit account. The vendor pays all sorts of fees to pay for the loan, processing, being able to accept card brands, transaction fees, and those fancy points, miles or money back schemes the purchaser takes advantage of. If for some reason the funds are not there the bank or credit account holder informs the merchant processing company and the merchant processing company takes back their loan and a penalty from the vendor. Similarly, if you call your credit card company and tell them you are not happy with the item, or you did not make the purchase, the credit card company tells the merchant processing service, and the merchant processing service takes the money back, plus penalties, and sends money back to the originating account. No questions asked. It becomes the vendors issue and must prove beyond a doubt that the transaction was legitimate/authorized by the purchaser. It is therefore best to keep a transaction open/alive to prevent any problems about who ordered what and when.

The re-submittal of the authorization often triggers fraud alarms with the credit card and bank companies. Think about it for a moment. All they are seeing is the request to purchase several high priced items, several times, from the same vendor (which happens to be in one of the industries where most credit card scams are used).

Common misconceptions:

Apple has taken your money. They have not. It is still in your account but you credit card company or bank may block you from access to it.
These holds mean the iPad is coming sooner than Apple has stated. It also does not imply they won't come early.
Every bank handles the process the same way. They do not.
 
*Raises Hand*
...
And censorship fatigue.
And lawsuit fatigue.
And fanboy fatigue.
...

And freakishly obsessed Apple haters who think they have something insightful to say when, in fact, they are only repeating vapid anti-Apple talking points that bear little resemblance to reality, thereby demonstrating a cringeworthy lack of understanding of Apple's core vision which has always been that of an all-in-one consumer products company... fatigue. So there.
 
I got a pre-hold today too.

I actually spoke with an apple rep today who confirmed that my 64GB + 3G iPad will ship in mid April.

Interestingly enough, they only put the $$ hold on the ipad itself and not the accessories I ordered on the same web order.
 
I actually spoke with an apple rep today who confirmed that my 64GB + 3G iPad will ship in mid April.

Interestingly enough, they only put the $$ hold on the ipad itself and not the accessories I ordered on the same web order.

FWIW, my EDU rep also said that she expected the 3G models to go out a bit earlier than predicted -- mid-april instead of later in the month.
 
If you can't afford a $750 pre-authorization on the 3G iPad then you probably shouldn't be buying it in the first place... :rolleyes:
 
I ordered 64GB iPad 3G with case and standard dock. Opted for 2-3 day shipping in optimism in hopes that something would come earlier than it was supposed to...

Anyway - initial pre-auth was for $1 and maybe the $13 for shipping - don't quite remember. Right now I have two separate pending charges on my CC (BofA Visa) for $13.81 and $880.81. Interestingly enough though...logging on to my order status page on apple.com and I have NOTHING on my past 18 months orders, including iPad, when I have had several other orders in that time period...

Anyone have order status page screwed up like this?????
 
Damn! My credit card hasn't been charged yet... I ordered a 64Gb 3G... within the first 30 minutes of the iPAD going on sale.... hope to be positively surprised soon!

Shhh...Hey, over here! I said over here! I got an iPad on order for ya and it is way better than crack! Oh and I got one on order too!:)
 
It has been posted before and most likely will have to be again. Apple cannot withdraw funds from your credit card account until they ship the item.
Well, no, of course they can. It's just their general policy to charge at time of shipment. They could easily complete the charge at time of order if they wanted to (as many retailers do). They could also charge after delivery, although that would be stupid.
If the vendor does not complete the transaction, they do not without the purchasers specific authorization, have authority to create a new ticket/transaction. The vendor would have to call everyone back and ask them to resubmit their order.
Also not true. Any merchant can submit a new authorization so long as the order remains outstanding and unpaid. Settlement can occur after an initial hold falls off without any additional action required on the part of the buyer. When you purchase from, say, Amazon, and shipping is delayed, there is no need to resubmit the order after the 3-day hold falls off.

It is only improper to submit a settlement based on an expired hold. Sending a new authorization along with the demand for settlement at the same time solves this problem.
It becomes the vendors issue and must prove beyond a doubt that the transaction was legitimate/authorized by the purchaser.
The dispute process involves no such high threshold. The evidentiary burden of proof required is simple preponderance (i.e., which side has the more credible evidence). Proof beyond a reasonable doubt is reserved for (a) actual court cases, not administrative dispute settlement and (b) criminal charges. A chargeback is neither.
These holds mean the iPad is coming sooner than Apple has stated. It also does not imply they won't come early.
I think you meant to insert an "It does not." between those two sentences. It is a misconception that the hold activity necessarily means they will be shipping this week.
 
The Best Buy announcement suggests Apple has enough iPad's available to meet consumer demand. That's probably a good thing for pre-orders.
 
It has been posted before and most likely will have to be again. Apple cannot withdraw funds from your credit card account until they ship the item.
Bzzzt. Incorrect.

It's up to the retailer.

From a practical standpoint, it doesn't make much sense for a mass market retailer to charge your card well before shipping because they'll lose a lot of money fielding customer service inquiries (calls, e-mails, etc.) from people asking why their cards were charged and the item hasn't shipped.

Also, there are accounting implications for accepting revenue in a time period where product isn't actually delivered (e.g., charge in March/ship in April). There are ways around this, but most consumer product retailers don't think it's worth it to implement complicated procedures to satisfy auditors.

Theoretically, a merchant could ship everything and wait a week to charge, at the risk of having a certain number of card transactions fail for various reasons (expired date, over the limit, fraud hold, etc.). In business transactions, it's pretty common to receive a product/service and be invoiced with terms that require payment within X period of time (30, 45, 60, 90 days, etc.). Again, most consumer product retailers prefer not to have to set up more complicated systems. The customer pays, the item ships. It's a procedural preference, not a requirement.

I will point out that there are some transactions where the customer prepays a significant time in advance. One example is wine futures where the customer purchases wine (yes, his/her card fully charged and the transaction is complete) years for the product is actually shipped. Again, it's more of the merchant A.) making clear to the customer when the order fulfillment process will be completed and B.) accounting for the revenue in a proper manner.

There is no legal restriction preventing Apple from charging customers' cards the moment they pre-order.

It's really just a customer service policy, not much more.
 
Bzzzt. Incorrect.

It's up to the retailer.

From a practical standpoint, it doesn't make much sense for a mass market retailer to charge your card well before shipping because they'll lose a lot of money fielding customer service inquiries (calls, e-mails, etc.) from people asking why their cards were charged and the item hasn't shipped.

Also, there are accounting implications for accepting revenue in a time period where product isn't actually delivered (e.g., charge in March/ship in April). There are ways around this, but most consumer product retailers don't think it's worth it to implement complicated procedures to satisfy auditors.

Theoretically, a merchant could ship everything and wait a week to charge, at the risk of having a certain number of card transactions fail for various reasons (expired date, over the limit, fraud hold, etc.). In business transactions, it's pretty common to receive a product/service and be invoiced with terms that require payment within X period of time (30, 45, 60, 90 days, etc.). Again, most consumer product retailers prefer not to have to set up more complicated systems. The customer pays, the item ships. It's a procedural preference, not a requirement.

I will point out that there are some transactions where the customer prepays a significant time in advance. One example is wine futures where the customer purchases wine (yes, his/her card fully charged and the transaction is complete) years for the product is actually shipped. Again, it's more of the merchant A.) making clear to the customer when the order fulfillment process will be completed and B.) accounting for the revenue in a proper manner.

There is no legal restriction preventing Apple from charging customers' cards the moment they pre-order.

It's really just a customer service policy, not much more.

Bzzzzt whatever. Yes there is no legal mumbo jumbo, but on their website they specifically state :

"However, your card will only be charged after your order has shipped." (http://store.apple.com/us/help/payments#creditus)
 
Bzzzzt whatever. Yes there is no legal mumbo jumbo, but on their website they specifically state :

"However, your card will only be charged after your order has shipped." (http://store.apple.com/us/help/payments#creditus)
Yes, yes. That means the item could have shipped from the China manufacturing line to whatever godforsaken distribution center warehouse it needs to get to en route to you.

That still means that Apple can charge your card while your item is in a container in the Port of Oakland, waiting to clear customs so it can be piled onto a UPS delivery van.

Technically anyone who has pre-ordered an iPad could probably be charged, even if "their" unit was still on some container ship halfway between Hawaii and the Farallons.
 
Bzzzzt whatever. Yes there is no legal mumbo jumbo, but on their website they specifically state :
That's their voluntary policy. The other poster said that Apple can't take money until tendering the package to FedEx, and that's just not true.

They have a policy not to charge until ship date, but they're not required to have any such policy. Apple usually settles the charge on the same day as the origin scan in China. If the iPads shipped tomorrow, that's still no indication that they're going to be delivered before the 3rd.
Yes, yes. That means the item could have shipped from the China manufacturing line to whatever godforsaken distribution center warehouse it needs to get to en route to you.
What else could it mean? Shipping is shipping.
That still means that Apple can charge your card while your item is in a container in the Port of Oakland, waiting to clear customs so it can be piled onto a UPS delivery van.
They charge the accounts well before this point--before the box is physically picked up by the shipper, in fact. If the charge doesn't go through, the parcel is held at the origin until payment clears.
 
I too had a fraud warning call from Visa today in regards to this purchase. Seems strange that they would call regarding this purchase, but didn't mention the $2500+ purchase I made on Monday for a new iMac?? :confused:
 
No authorization / holds yet.

Pre-ordered the first day. Who knows, as long as it shows up on day one I'm OK with it. i figured they'd charge my card sometime this coming week.
 
iPad, iPad, iPad...
I don't want an iPad! :mad: I want the new MacBook Pro!!!

They should amend the forum rules to include this:

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All mentions of "forget about the X, I want Y updates" in a thread that has nothing to do with Y will be deleted and the poster will be put on time-out for a month.
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We know you want Y (many of you state it in each thread you stumble across), we can't do anything about it, your comments are not helpful and annoy many people that are trying to have a (mostly) civilized discussion about X. Go post your Y comments in a Y thread.

@skn: way to start your posting career on MR. :rolleyes:
 
On April 3rd Every FedEx truck will be filled with Apple iPads. ...Anyone wanna make the ultimate hit? :eek::D
Operation iPad FX
 
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