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Apple Blocks Adobe's Flash-to-iPhone Compiler in Latest SDK Agreement
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Diary Of An x264 Developer: Flash, Google, VP8, and the future of internet video
Free Software Foundation: Open letter to Google: free VP8, and use it on YouTube
[these are contentious times we live in]
Some applications have their client GUIs written entirely in Flash. Often, these are server applications and management tools - the application itself runs on a server, but it can be accessed by any Flash-capable browser.
This lets the application support access from Windows, Apples, Linux, UNIX, Android.... without recoding anything in the client.
From then end of the month we are withdrawing from sale and stopping all development on Any Abobe Apple product. Full Stop.
Whilst this would affect them financially, boy would I love them to do that and see the Panic at Apple over it.
I wonder if Adobe will delay CS5 for Apple to investigate... No 64-bit for OSX yet...
Or Cadence...
Steve shouldn't use slides like this if he wants to stay invisible to the anti-trust regulators
Browser usage share is not an applicable metric.
If flash video is the concern for the most part, adding support for video through html5 is trivial in most cases. The most popular video providers are already transitioning.
You can do anything you want to the hardware. But you only license the software. Profit has little to do with anything.
We do have the option to watch Vimeo video on the iPhone.
http://vimeo.com/blog:268
So, basically, you believe your rights are more important than the rights of others.
Not in a board room. But otherwise, yes.
This argument only works if you ignore the financial realities. Apple doesn't make a large percentage of their profits from selling media content and apps. They make it from selling hardware.
Any company, not just YouTube, can provide video for the iPhone without compensating Apple in any way.
No, they are designing the device with the features that they want to include. You are choosing to buy it, or not, with that feature set.
Explanation please
Is Apple going to provide a rationale for this? I can understand why they won't support Flash player, as it's a resource hog, but if an app is playing by their rules, using their language, why is it unacceptable if it started in another language? Do such apps also drain resources. As a professor that was planning on teaching tools such as Appcelerator and using CS5's new iphone compiler features when it comes out, this is extremely disappointing. I think the least we deserve is a good explanation defending this decision. Someone mentioned that it hurt Apple's business model b/c of the required $99/yr developer fee. Guess what? In order to build and test apps built in those other environments, one must actually purchase a developer's license, so it doesn't hurt their business model in any way.
Please, Apple, provide a reasonable explanation.
Is Apple going to provide a rationale for this? I can understand why they won't support Flash player, as it's a resource hog, but if an app is playing by their rules, using their language, why is it unacceptable if it started in another language? Do such apps also drain resources. As a professor that was planning on teaching tools such as Appcelerator and using CS5's new iphone compiler features when it comes out, this is extremely disappointing. I think the least we deserve is a good explanation defending this decision. Someone mentioned that it hurt Apple's business model b/c of the required $99/yr developer fee. Guess what? In order to build and test apps built in those other environments, one must actually purchase a developer's license, so it doesn't hurt their business model in any way.
Please, Apple, provide a reasonable explanation.
BTW, Apple has enough cash in the bank to buy out the entire market cap of Adobe.
Flash (and other unwanted technologies) could easily be sold off to third parties to fund part of the deal and create an opportunity for positive PR spin.
Just so we're clear on the scale that's being discussed here...
Flash (and other unwanted technologies) could easily be sold off to third parties to fund part of the deal and create an opportunity for positive PR spin.
Just so we're clear on the scale that's being discussed here...
Agreed. Except go behind. Think different. Buy Microsoft too and convert all those dirty windows users. Apple doesn't even have to buy the whole thing in each company, just a controlling share. The could actually do this. FTC might look askance... So buy them too.
phonegap
unity
titanium
torque
and I think there are some others.
If all of the 3rd party compiler apps are cut a huge chunk of the app store will be gone because a lot of games were made using things like torque
Apple wants developers coding in Objective-C. Not Flash with multi-platform ports. If you can't pony up the $99/year developer fee (which is only needed to sell apps in the App Store -- and Flash-to-iPhone "devs" would have had to pay this anyway) then how are you affording Flash tools in the first place?
In the grand scheme of things, we aren't talking about a lot a lot of revenue, in my experience this probably is set up internally as a profit center designed to offset salary expenses, etc.
If Adobe was that interested, they could write a library to convert Flash apps that would generate real Objective-C code that didn't require a runtime library to be embedded.
The only Flash devs who have been using this are using the Flash CS5 beta. Timing being everything, Apple announced this change before Adobe had a shipping product (just before).
Edit: And it gives them time to redo their PowerPoint slides for the CS5 rollout on Monday.
Still, I can't wait to read John Nack's take on this...
I made a similar post asking about top 3-5 formats, production tools and whatever is needed to standardize ad formats like print and TV does.
Rocketman
Good. Real men code in a language with C in it's name
Exactly!
pasCal uber alles! Never trust a one letter language!
I do feel a little sorry for all the Flash devs who've spent time and resources developing apps with the hope that it would automagically run on the iPhone/iPad.
However, you should have realized the risk you were taking because even the first iteration of the SDK EULA prohibited compiled or interpreted code... This more explicit salvo should come as no surprise.
What I think is pissing all of you off is that you wanted something "for nothing" (eg: I can develop once for all these platforms, yippee!). And if you were forced from day one to choose between iPhone/iPad and Flash (with the prescient knowledge of how gangbusters the platform would be), I think you would have chosen to develop natively. Or it could be you're an existing Flash shop hoping to cash on the money train that is the iPhone OS and feel spurned.
The bottom line is if you want to be a part of the iPhone/iPad phenomenon, you'll need to learn the native platform. You are not entitled access to the platform. Now you have a choice, choose wisely.
However, you should have realized the risk you were taking because even the first iteration of the SDK EULA prohibited compiled or interpreted code... This more explicit salvo should come as no surprise.
What I think is pissing all of you off is that you wanted something "for nothing" (eg: I can develop once for all these platforms, yippee!). And if you were forced from day one to choose between iPhone/iPad and Flash (with the prescient knowledge of how gangbusters the platform would be), I think you would have chosen to develop natively. Or it could be you're an existing Flash shop hoping to cash on the money train that is the iPhone OS and feel spurned.
The bottom line is if you want to be a part of the iPhone/iPad phenomenon, you'll need to learn the native platform. You are not entitled access to the platform. Now you have a choice, choose wisely.
I'd bet Apple knows exactly how many apps were developed using these runtime libraries. There is no way this decision was made in a vacuum.
Actually, the biggest piece of crap on my Mac is Aperture 3.0. pure junk! Talk about software hog
Microsoft is legendary for throwing the baby out with the bath water when it comes to "upgrading" (replacing) their developer tools.
It seems there are quite a few people on this forum who don't seem to understand that Adobe doesn't make that much money from Flash. They could eliminate Flash altogether and the company would be fine. Their largest earning software is Acrobat of all things.
I also don't understand all these people hating on Adobe's software. If you work in a creative field doing design in most cases you're using Adobe applications. People I work with love these programs as much as they love their Macs.
How is wanting your code to be transferable to several systems wanting something for nothing? Why is that in any way an unreasonable desire, that the same software does not have to be re-written several times over in order to work across different platforms? The reasoning that you fanbois use to justify Apple's Big Brother decisions just boggles the mind.
Before defending this decision, ask yourself: In what way will this make the end user experience better?
If Adobe has found a way to make software that people have coded in Flash run NATIVELY on the iphone, what is the problem? How does this remove from the end user experience? Because if it doesn't, then this decision is not good for anybody. It's just a byproduct of steve's petty animosity towards other large companies.