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Apple Blocks Adobe's Flash-to-iPhone Compiler in Latest SDK Agreement

Peace said:
Adobe not supporting OSX wouldn't be helpful to Adobes clients either.;)
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LagunaSol said:
Great idea! "Let's kill 40% (or whatever the number is) of our business and stick it to Jobs. Yeah, we'll show him!"

That move would surely make Narayen CEO of the year. He should totally do it.
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It's not that simple but there are measures that Adobe can take that will negatively impact Apple's shares.

Announcing that CS5 will be the last version of Creative Suite for OSX would cause APPL to plummet. It would give designers 2 to 3 years to switch to PCs so Adobe wouldn't lose their clients. The majority would just move to the OS that supports the industry standard applications.

Adobe's no chump. I'm sure they're considering their options.
 
Wolfie Scooter said:
I disagree. It all has to do with the bottom line. Flash ads in apps don't "contribute" 40% of the ad revenue to Apple. Flash games on websites don't "contribute" 30% of the app revenue to Apple. So Apple has blocked Flash on it's portable devices. It's really that simple.
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Here's where you are wrong. Flash is used for a lot more than ads. It's main problem is it is used for EVERYTHING.

If its use could somehow be limited to ads, Apple might actually back it for the first 5 seconds of visibility in animation mode.

Since that imaginary reality is not forthcoming, there needs to be something else. Give the guy credit. He suggested something open and standards based. That does indeed follow the spirit of the internet of freedom and universal access. He has a profit garden on the internet, but one need not visit it to use his devices. His devices open the window to the free internet too.

It's time to support your own largest advocate for freedom, access, and openness. Give the guy a break because he wants to sell you beer as well as facilitate FREE BEER if only you drink it in a glass he sells you. One with an aluminum base and a small plastic apple on it.

Perspective.

Rocketman
 
Rodimus Prime said:
I know a lot of people who listen to the radio still. Hell I listen to it all the time when I drive and wish my iPod had it in it so I could listen to it when I leave my car.

Now the station I listen to most of the is NPR. No iPod device can keep up with news or stories from NPR. Also the radio allows one to hear new music at a much quicker pace as it places new music.
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Just FYI, NPR has an app and podcasts of most of it's programs.
 
Ok

Daringescape said:
You dont seem to understand what the flash to iphone OS compiler does...

The apps would not be Flash, they would be translated into Cocoa touch and be just as "snappy" as other apps that you already have. - There are a lot of VERY talented Flash developers that could bring some great apps to the iphone and ipad with this tool.
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Ok fair enough. You learn all the time :)
 
ipedro said:
Announcing that CS5 will be the last version of Creative Suite for OSX would cause APPL to plummet.
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"Plummet?" Please. You may not have noticed, but over the past few years Apple has morphed from a semi-boutique computer company that catered to professional designers to a computer/consumer electronics company that caters to consumers. Computer sales to pro designers is a minimal slice of their business these days (a sad fact for many of us, but such is reality), and many pro designers would look for other alternatives before switching to Microsoft (and Dells? *shudder*) anyway.

Today's value of AAPL has very little to do with Photoshop and Illustrator users.
 
griz said:
If it compiles into an iPhone app, why should Apple care how it started? They wouldn't be supporting flash, just giving flash devs a way to bring their designs to the iPhone platform. I think it's a foolish ego move on Apple's part.
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Because it would likely compile into some iPhone crapp. Adobe pulled a pretty balsy move …and I hope they learned something from the result. ;)

I don't feel sorry for them in the slightest.
 
BaldiMac said:
Just FYI, NPR has an app and podcasts of most of it's programs.
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but if you are on an iPod you have to wait until you get in range of WIFI to download those and can not get the new updated so it goes back to a lag time. I would much rather just listen to NPR while I am driving and then when I get to my destination. just have my ipod pick up were I left off.

Also you have the radio station I was listening to like the Mix that plays music I like and you can hear new music threw it.
 
ipedro said:
It's not that simple but there are measures that Adobe can take that will negatively impact Apple's shares.

Announcing that CS5 will be the last version of Creative Suite for OSX would cause APPL to plummet. It would give designers 2 to 3 years to switch to PCs so Adobe wouldn't lose their clients. The majority would just move to the OS that supports the industry standard applications.

Adobe's no chump. I'm sure they're considering their options.
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Of course, it would also give Apple 2 to 3 years to develop competition for the Creative Suite. Adobe would be risking a whole lot bigger percentage of their revenues in this fight. Apple could also partner with Quark to get a significant foothold.
 
LagunaSol said:
Great idea! "Let's kill 40% (or whatever the number is) of our business and stick it to Jobs. Yeah, we'll show him!"

That move would surely make Narayen CEO of the year. He should totally do it.
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Apple users are not nearly as important as we think we are.


Daringescape said:
This has nothing to do with browser-based flash support. It is about denying developers the chance to export their Flash timelines into Apps for submission into the App Store.
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It goes deeper than that. John Gruber said it better than I can:

John Gruber said:
So what Apple does not want is for some other company to establish a de facto standard software platform on top of Cocoa Touch. Not Adobe’s Flash. Not .NET (through MonoTouch). If that were to happen, there’s no lock-in advantage. If, say, a mobile Flash software platform — which encompassed multiple lower-level platforms, running on iPhone, Android, Windows Phone 7, and BlackBerry — were established, that app market would not give people a reason to prefer the iPhone.

And, obviously, such a meta-platform would be out of Apple’s control. Consider a world where some other company’s cross-platform toolkit proved wildly popular. Then Apple releases major new features to iPhone OS, and that other company’s toolkit is slow to adopt them. At that point, it’s the other company that controls when third-party apps can make use of these features.
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Apple's moves make sense from a business point of view. But it is a totally and utterly ruthless business move. LagunaSol may think Adobe dropping Apple support is a dumb move, but there is one thing it would be: an equally ruthless move in an increasingly hostile environment.

iPod touches and iPads are media consumption devices. If Adobe starts dropping support for Apple, professionals will have to look elsewhere to create the content that those devices consume. It's one counter move that I can see Apple doing. Sure, it would cost them big. But they are going to start punching back eventually.

And make no mistake, when Adobe throws that punch, it's going to be aimed at Apple's nose. We'll probably get caught in the middle somewhere, getting covered in the sweat and blood of these companies.
 
Rocketman said:
Give the guy credit. He suggested something open and standards based. That does indeed follow the spirit of the internet of freedom and universal access. He has a profit garden on the internet, but one need not visit it to use his devices. His devices open the window to the free internet too.
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It's hilarious/pathetic to note that the same "free and open" people foaming at the mouth about Apple's proprietary nature are the same people foaming at the mouth about Jobs turning his back on Flash (proprietary) and pushing HTML5 (free and open). Note the Android proponents who gloat about Flash support on Android devices. ??!!?? *heads explode*

Apparently their "free and open" mantra only applies to Apple, as they have no problem with Adobe's proprietary Web. If it were anyone but Jobs pushing HTML5 so hard, they would have sainted him by now.

"Jobs Pushes for Non-Proprietary Web, Haters of Proprietary Apple Outraged Anyway."

Things that make you go "Hmmm..."
 
I wouldn't be surprised if Apple doesn't already have a team building applications to compete with Creative Suite. It does seem like a much cheaper path to just destroy Adobe than try to buy them...
 
I'm a graphic designer and I would certainly hate to move to Windows but if the industry standard didn't exist on OSX, I'd reluctantly have to use a PC for work while still using the Mac as my main computer.

It wouldn't be a decision that Adobe would easily make, but an announcement of discontinuation of CS on Mac would hurt Apple. Adobe would recover the majority of its users on the exclusive PC platform while Apple's Pro line of computers would lose most of their reason to exist.
 
Rodimus Prime said:
but if you are on an iPod you have to wait until you get in range of WIFI to download those and can not get the new updated so it goes back to a lag time. I would much rather just listen to NPR while I am driving and then when I get to my destination. just have my ipod pick up were I left off.
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Fair enough. You said "No iPod device can keep up with news or stories from NPR." I was just pointing out that you can keep up with news and stories from NPR on an iPod device. But, yes, you do need an internet connection every so often.
 
PeterQVenkman said:
Apple users are not nearly as important as we think we are.




It goes deeper than that. John Gruber said it better than I can:



Apple's moves make sense from a business point of view. But it is a totally and utterly ruthless business move. LagunaSol may think Adobe dropping Apple support is a dumb move, but there is one thing it would be: an equally ruthless move in an increasingly hostile environment.

iPod touches and iPads are media consumption devices. If Adobe starts dropping support for Apple, professionals will have to look elsewhere to create the content that those devices consume. It's one counter move that I can see Apple doing. Sure, it would cost them big. But they are going to start punching back eventually.

And make no mistake, when Adobe throws that punch, it's going to be aimed at Apple's nose. We'll probably get caught in the middle somewhere, getting covered in the sweat and blood of these companies.
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Apple would just buy Adobe and drop support for window's users. No real threat there from Adobe. Adobe needs Apple a lot more than Apple needs Adobe.
 
skyehill said:
Yeah, Apple OWNED all of its loyal customers again. And the Apple Fanboys support this idiotic behavior. It's no wonder Apple and its fanboys have the reputation for being petulant little whiney babies.
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Currently, you're the only one whining. Secondly, why the hell are you on this site if you clearly dislike Apple? I find you and your post ironic.
 
Apple could buy a smaller company like Pixelmator to build an alternative for Photoshop but I'm not sure designers would play along. PSD is the industry standard and Apple would have a long way to climb to change that.
 
ipedro said:
If Apple's declaring war on Abobe, I hope they're ready with their Photoshop and Illustrator replacements when Adobe decides to stop supporting OSX.

I understand why Steve wants to stop Flash from monopolizing the Internet but this war isn't helpful to Apple's Pro clientele.
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Nah, I used to worry about this too, but in reality, Apple could fund and produce photoshop and illustrator replacement in about 9 months, that's my guess.

Adobe's products are generally garbage. I'll never forget the day I upgraded a bunch of machines from CS2 to CS4 -- I expected these huge improvements in Adobe's software after skipping CS3. I was astonished to see how very very little adobe had done to any programs in the creative suite between cs2 and cs4, save maybe inDesign.

I would not worry too much. There are nice alternatives out there: yes, they'd need polish, but with Pages as an inDesign replacement Apple would have a pretty easy time replacing Photoshop with Pixelmator. Illustrator would be a bit harder but they'd be able to pull it off.
 
This seems like a tempest in a teapot: "Applications must be originally written in Objective-C, C, C++, or JavaScript as executed by the iPhone OS WebKit engine, and only code written in C, C++, and Objective-C may compile and directly link against the Documented APIs (e.g., Applications that link to Documented APIs through an intermediary translation or compatibility layer or tool are prohibited)."

Does Flash Packager build Applications that "link to Documented APIs through an intermediary translation or compatibility layer or tool"?

This seems to prohibit Java, not Packager.
 
What's with all this "Apple should buy Adobe and kill flash" crap? Adobe is already doing that for them.

And if there's anything I've learned from following Apple all these years, it's that the more people in forums like these get all flustered and their panties in a twist, the better the decision that Apple made. Don't ask me why this is, but everytime people bitch and whine about something, it usually ends up working out real well (but it's so far after the fact that no one bothers to say "I told you so").

The truth is, we all hate flash. Unfortunately, it's a necessary evil to keep around, as a lot of the internet currently uses it. But if there's anyone that could finally make the push to HTML5 that kills off Flash's reign, it's Apple. Apple is the only company stubborn enough, with enough users and followers, and with enough business sense/guts to actually do it. And mark my words, it will most likely happen. It will take years, many of them probably, but it will happen. Jobs is already convincing major websites to convert to HTML5 (for use on their iPad of course).
 
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