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Apple Car Autonomous Driving Scaled Down, Launch Planned for 2028
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Could still be an aspirational product. The point is...a very high quality, differentiated small vehicle instead of yet another oversized SUV. Price per pound of car might still be quite high. The point is...less pounds of car.
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My interest in a self-driving car is high for others...every day I commute I see at least one event (and usually several) that makes me wish the other driver was in a car driving itself and didn't have a steering wheel so the idiot in the front seat couldn't do anything. Honestly, I'm constantly amazed at how bad some drivers are, and have avoided lots of accidents only because I'm really good at defensive driving.
Automated cars really will cut down on the number of accidents, and allow people who can't drive to have some independence...they will be a good thing once the tech is sorted out, and that will happen eventually. Maybe then I won't have to sit waiting for the idiot at the four way stop who has the right of way but just waits for me to go first...
It absolutely won’t. They have been claiming that since they first began. They are nowhere near it. If anything Tesla will slide, with manufacturers making electric cars now, as well as more affordable ones to come to market in the next few years.
Not true at all. Tesla's latest FSD Beta V12 is the path to cracking general self-driving. It's astounding.
I agree but it seems to be the future, like electric cars, whether we like it or not.
Tesla will solve it first. In EVs, Tesla will extend their lead. The OEMs are struggling to get close to profitability in EVs while Tesla enjoys massive margins.
I love these sorts of predictions, but I'm curious, do people that make them also have the guts to admit that they were wrong 10 years from now?
Yeah, sure. Tesla owns that space, and has for more than a decade. Apple may want a piece of that pie, but it's going to be hard to get it because Tesla operates with the same intensity and urgency that Apple use to demonstrate under Jobs, which was not coincidently the last time Apple was churning out Tesla-like, world-changing tech.
It's going to take a complete fundamental shift from top to bottom before Apple realizes anything even remotely close to something as ambitious as self-driving automobiles.
It's going to take a complete fundamental shift from top to bottom before Apple realizes anything even remotely close to something as ambitious as self-driving automobiles.
Automakers are their own dictators, too. How many Fords leave the factory with Toyoto or Chevy parts installed? None.
I can't believe it's been 10 years since Apple embarked on this journey, and it's going to be another 4 before we see anything. Why Apple is trying to make their own car is beyond me. They should partner with a startup that can carry its own risk and visions.
Downvoted because you're wrong about the "last time". Apple continues to church out reliable, industry-inspiring products. They just don't have the "big announcement" feel because they've perfected the technology. How can you improve on a great design, except to make change for change's sake?
With Macs and iPods, they were able to be creative with designs and form factors. But with phones and tablets... how co you improve on "a slab of glass"? It's not easy.
Today's Apple products work beautiful together... it's that ecosystem magic that really makes them shine. If I can't find the Apple TV remote, I grab my phone swipe down and start controlling the Apple TV using my phone. I love that sort of seamless integration!
WAIT! the 'Apple car' was never 'unveiled'...I'm not aware that the company ever publicly said they are eve building a car...
The M-series processors changed the Mac platform overnight. Then the rest of the industry has been trying to catch up. We wouldn't have today's iPhones, iPads, Apple TVs, Apple Watches, HomePods and now Vision Pro without Apple investing heavily into their own silicon. Not a chance!
I'm well aware of the progress Tesla has made. Their main contribution to the space is speed and packaging. They've got a much more compact system working at about double the maximum speeds that were reliable ten years ago. Part of that is their optimizations, part of that is the general forward march of technology. Back in the DARPA days you had to have a server rack to process the same amount of information you can run through an iPad these days.
But speaking from the perspective of someone who has worked in vehicle autonomy (and had self-driving cars try to do me in more than once) the chasm between very advanced driver assist features like what Tesla calls FSD and actual autonomous vehicles is far wider than you're giving it credit for.
Like, don't get me wrong, humans are good problem solvers, and we'll get there eventually. But not in the near future.
The more Apple pushes this back, the more I might actually be able to afford it! Hoping to have my house paid off around 2030/2031. But level 2 is pretty hilarious. My Telluride can already do that easily. Hopefully by 2031 they've got Level 4. Kinda funny how all of these huge tech companies can't overcome that last hurdle. We can get so close, but that last 1% is almost impossible.
No way I'm buying a first gen Apple Car unless some of my investments go bonkers by then. I'll let all you people with loads of disposable income beta test it first! You know the price is going to be outrageous.
No way I'm buying a first gen Apple Car unless some of my investments go bonkers by then. I'll let all you people with loads of disposable income beta test it first! You know the price is going to be outrageous.
The problem with hydrogen is its poor energy efficiency. Also, the distribution infrastructure is complex and costly. It is difficult to see what could happen to make hydrogen better than batteries in small vehicles.
I'll balance you out. My interest in a self-driving car is 100%.
I think of them as the Apple of vehicles. All about vertical integration and owning the whole experience.
Plus, our traffic infrastructure is not ready for fully autonomous vehicles.
Even if we had the tech, a car driving like a human driver would not be acceptable. The risk level and number of violations would be far too high to be acceptable.
Level 4 within limited and very well mapped areas in good weather conditions is doable. Waymo & al. are doing it. Add some construction works with poor signs, a number of pedestrians and cyclists everywhere and possibly dark, ice, snow, and slush — then the task is far more complicated. (And that is where I drive.)
Look at almost any traffic code. They tend to start by saying that drivers should exercise caution, or something on those lines. How do you define “careful” to a computer? There are a lot of situations where there is a courtroom packed with highly educated lawyers trying to find out the correct interpretation of rules after something has happened.
Making the traffic environment unambiguous is an enormous task.
My interest in a self driving car is very high. I would gain maybe ten hours a week. That is equivalent to about 6 % longer life expectancy.
I don’t like driving.
USA recognizes 4 levels of "self driving" cars (SDC). GMC has had a level 2 vehicle on the road for about 20 months. I have owned one for about 20 months.. Basically it drives itself on 4-lane highways and some 2-lane roads. Once you engage the system it maintains speed, if a slower vehicle is in front of it the sensors check and will accelerate, engage turn signal, move into passing lane when safe , pass slower vehicle, engage merge turn signal, safely merge into the travel lane, and when safe end turn signals. As long as I'm watching the road ahead I don't have to intervene in the process. If someone cuts in front of me w/o warning the system reacts faster than I .
It's not perfect and you do need to pay attention because of the knuckleheads around you .Ya never know when a sleeping driver will t-bone you.
It's not perfect and you do need to pay attention because of the knuckleheads around you .Ya never know when a sleeping driver will t-bone you.