Apple Car Won't Be Ready for At Least Half a Decade

[baryon]

Everyone is betting on making "autonomous vehicles" yet there is still no proof that these would be able to safely navigate roads without human supervision. Sure maybe one day they will but what if it never ends up happening?

 

[icanhazmac]

So many conflicting rumors and reports. Apple car, Apple HD TV Are they going to exist? No one knows. Even Apple doesn't even know at this point.

So many posts that don't really say anything.

While you are correct that there are many rumors and reports I am very sure Apple knows exactly what it wants to do. One only has to read the article to see all the expertise Apple has working on the project. That's a serious payroll for them "not to know at this point".

 

[FightTheFuture]

I’m gonna buy the Android version cause it’s $150 less.

 

[Miles Teg]

I eventually see a self driving car in a city like LA, or SF as possible but I have a hard time imagining a self driving car in snow conditions.

 

[Baymowe335]

Tesla is ahead in both range and acceleration, but it's not a huge gap. Moreover, Tesla has been working on electric vehicles for 17 years. Ford less than 4 years. In a few years, that gap will close, and many manufacturers will offer vehicles that not only offer better performance and efficiency, but also don't suffer the same QC issues.

Porsche already makes a better performance Model S. It’s more expensive, but it’s faster, better looking, higher quality, and it’s a Porsche.

 

[tnsmart]

Tesla is already ahead.

By that time, Tesla owns the market with full self driving software. Not even including the crazy new ideas Tesla is cooking up in the labs for the next 5 years.

Didn't Blackberry own the smartphone market once upon a time?

 

[Plutonius]

It will give us time to start saving up for one.

I'm looking forward to getting AppleCare on my AppleCar .

 

[Kierkegaarden]

No company will have full self driving vehicles on the road for at least 5 years.

 

[bob122989]

The most underrated and easy to miss part of this is “nearly two dozen” on both sides of a score. Hate it in usage (sensationalism) but love the humor in the analysis.

I work at a newspaper and laugh every time I see these over the top uses, but can admit I’ve used quite a few myself. “At least half a decade” sounds much more extreme than “at least five.”

 

[subjonas]

Johny Srouji's team is developing a custom Arm-based chip with a focus on machine learning processing to run the self-driving car system.

Johny Srouji = Miles Dyson. If Srouji ever dies in a spectacular explosion at Apple, we’ll know the real story. He’s a hero.

 

[HiVolt]

good lord can people just stop freakin speculating about the apple car. they're just pulling stuff out of their arses for clickbait.

 

[FightTheFuture]

Johny Srouji = Miles Dyson. If Srouji ever dies in a spectacular explosion at Apple, we’ll know the real story. He’s a hero.

Indeed, but nothing will prevent Judgement Day.

 

[svenning]

Apple Car Won't Be Ready for At Least Half a Decade​

They spelled AirTags wrong...

 

[SAIRUS]

What really scares me is that not making hardware, Apple can do that pretty well, its just that how long it took to get it out and that Tim will want to recoup all costs up front, and with the amount of time that went into the project, we'll be in a bad spot pricing wise.

 

[farewelwilliams]

They barely know how to build cars, that don't fall apart at delivery. Have you seen some of the photos of just delivered Teslas with the seats not affixed etc.?

Oh and every other major manufacturer is perfect?

https://www.reddit.com/r/personalfinance/comments/5bxz1a

https://www.reddit.com/r/askportland/comments/gthn8n

https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/dm59pw

How about those new BMWs catching fire while parked?

Tesla's advantage is hugely overblown by the fans of the company. Yes, it is remarkable what they have been able to pull off. But they have done nothing that others can't do.

No. Others are realizing they can't build an EV as easily as Tesla which is an entirely different car to build.

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www.caranddriver.com

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insideevs.com

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The electric compact crossover has been hit by a series of recalls over fires and faulty braking systems.

www.autonews.com

Electric cars are expected to be cheaper than cars with internal cumbustion engines in the next five to ten years. That's when the music really starts, because then it will not be a niche product anymore, but the new normal.

Sure, that's why Tesla is working on a $25k car.

Sure, Tesla might survive until then. Maybe they even will stay profitable. But do they have an advantage over established automakers? No. They are lucky when they survive.

FSD and supercharging network are obvious advantages over established automakers.

Can Apple pull something like this off? Sure, why not. It's complex, because of the many, many elements of a car. But Apple has the financial means. And the electric car market could be really interesting.

Apple has shareholders to answer to. They can't just dump $10-$20 billion on day one to accelerate their EV program.

I am very skeptical about the self-driving stuff. There have been several reports lately about that topic and how development has stalled.

What reports are those? Tesla can self drive from los angeles to silicon valley *today* minus the part where the driver has to charge.

Teslas "self-driving" is mostly dangerous marketing speak by the way. It mostly works in Elon Musks phantasy world …

It has saved more lives than it killed. https://twitter.com/savedtesla?lang=en

 

[farewelwilliams]

Someone tell all the auto manufacturers to shutter up immediately. Farelwilliams has proclaimed that Tesla owns the market. Situation is hopeless.

Stupid comment. Somehow you missed the key phrase "By that time".
Automakers have plenty of time to adjust course to recover, but they're still betting on ICE and Hybrids. therefore, Tesla will own that market.

 

[farewelwilliams]

Your opinions are based on nothing more than the fact that you think Teslas are cool, and not on any facts or logic.

Supercharger network and today's Tesla FSD beta are facts supporting my argument.

Tesla vehicles are the lowest quality crap on 4 wheels since the Yugo. It is impossible to look at any Tesla, and not spot uneven panel gaps, leather stitching coming apart, orange peel paint or ripples, and that's just the cosmetic stuff.

LOL

This Porsche Taycan Presents Bizarre Panel Gaps, Says Twitter User

Although Tesla is frequently criticized for this, a Twitter user published pictures that show bizarre panel gaps in a Porsche Taycan. Check them here.

insideevs.com

Parts flying off a car are unheard off with other brands,

Had Twitter existed a 100 years ago where GM and Ford was about 10-20 years old, you'd see parts flying off on social media.

Multiple recalls have been issued for things like roofs coming off due to poor quality adhesives or forgetting to use the correct primer, loose steering components due to corroding bolts, and improperly routed battery cables that resulted in fires.

BMW is 104 years old. Exhibit A:

Also, there isn't anything uniquely special about them with respect to automation or in-car technology. Tesla is particularly good at battery and motor technology. That's it. But even that isn't a huge competitive advantage, as Porsche and even Ford are now producing electric vehicles with similar (though not as good) efficiency. It won't be long before these better-funded competitions (who don't have the QC problems Tesla has) catch up and even surpass Tesla.

Porsche has 201 mile range, significantly lower than what they promised earlier.

Here's Why The Porsche Taycan Turbo's EPA Range Is So Bad - Jalopnik

This week, we learned the EPA rated the new 2020 Porsche Taycan Turbo’s range at just 201 miles on a charge. That’s worse than almost every other electric car on sale today, and far worse than the 300 miles Porsche teased a couple of years ago, so what made the EPA figure so low?

jalopnik.com

And you are wrong. Apple can throw stupid amounts of money at the project, assuming it even exists. Apple spent $16 billion in R&D in 2019, and is forecast to spend $20 billion in 2020. Tesla, during its entire existence, has spent around $7 billion---about what Apple spends in 4 months.

You are also wrong that Apple has "shareholders to answer to" with respect to R&D spending. Shareholders have zero say in R&D spending, and Tim Cook does not need shareholder approval to allocate funds to R&D.

Even if he did need approval from someone (more likely the board), it is absurd to think that they would basically say, "Sorry Tim, can't afford it." Apple could spend triple what Tesla has spent in the last 10 years, and still have $175 billion in cash left over.

Nope. You don't have a clue on how being a public company works.

That $16 billion R&D resulted in ~$260 billion revenue. What happens with Apple doubles to $32 billion and results in only a $20 billion increase in revenue? Shareholders would dump the stock, board wouldn't be happy with Tim, and he'll get fired. It's very simple.

 

[farewelwilliams]

Didn't Blackberry own the smartphone market once upon a time?

What significant user experience does Tesla lack that Apple can solve?

Blackberry was hard to use. iPhone made smartphones accessible to everyone.

Tesla is working on a $25k self driving electric car that has access to the supercharger network so the EV can travel virtually any major destination within that country that is sold in. What can Apple do to beat that?

 

[Jony Ive and Co.]

In 2016 the rumours said the Apple Car will come out in 2020. In 2018/19 the rumours said it will come in 2022. And now in 2021 the rumours are saying that it will come after 2025.
All guesswork timelines. (btw Apple should also rapidly accelerate development and produce this god damn car after so long)

 

[Maconplasma]

Tesla is already ahead.

By that time, Tesla owns the market with full self driving software. Not even including the crazy new ideas Tesla is cooking up in the labs for the next 5 years.

And??? So?? What are you suggesting, that it's not enough room for Apple? That it's too late for Apple? As a Tesla stockholder I am 100% open to Apple doing this project however long it takes. This attitude of one company being enough is ridiculous.

 

[ArtOfWarfare]

Tesla is ahead in both range and acceleration, but it's not a huge gap. Moreover, Tesla has been working on electric vehicles for 17 years. Ford less than 4 years. In a few years, that gap will close, and many manufacturers will offer vehicles that not only offer better performance and efficiency, but also don't suffer the same QC issues.

Ford began selling the Ford Ranger EV in 1998, five years before Tesla formed and a decade before Tesla sold their first vehicle.

They started selling their second electric vehicle, the Ford C Max Energy a year before Tesla introduced the Model S.

So if having done this for longer is a benefit, that’d be Ford’s, not Tesla’s. Ford is behind Tesla because the company is inferior, not because they’re new to the game.

 

[-BigMac-]

Another day, another contradicting time frame

 

[citysnaps]

Tesla is already ahead.

By that time, Tesla owns the market with full self driving software. Not even including the crazy new ideas Tesla is cooking up in the labs for the next 5 years.

Yeah... Working in that field, I remember when Motorola, Ericsson, and Nokia owned the cellular phone market.

And then something happened in 2007. Where are MEN now?

 

[TheRealTVGuy]

Tesla is already ahead.

By that time, Tesla owns the market with full self driving software. Not even including the crazy new ideas Tesla is cooking up in the labs for the next 5 years.

Palm
Blackberry
Motorola
Windows Phone

“There’s no way a computer company could ever make a Pho—Ohhhhhhhh. Never mind.”

 

[ericwn]

Another story from the folks who brought us the big hack fiction article...