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It's not for the oppressive majority to decide whether a minority needs a parade or not.
Don't like it? Don't attend it!
It's our party and you are not invited.

You need to get over yourself. You're not that special, I assure you. No one is oppressing you. That's all in your mind, thanks to the conditioning and indoctrination you've been subjected to.

Frankly, it is insulting for you to sit there and pretend that every person who doesn't belong to your club is oppressing you. But I can tell from your comments that you are a typical hateful minority that thinks hate against majority groups is justified because reasons.
 
Watch bands are easy to make and don't take much resources from anywhere else. So why wouldn't they do more varieties of them?

Sometimes I think MacRumours is actually trolling readers by focussing so much on watch bands in their articles. Somehow I doubt that any of the Mac or iOS Apple engineers were redirected towards making watch bands ;)

It's not about the ease of making , it's the huge profits . For what they are , they make apple a killing in the profits
 
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Homophobia is normal in society. LGBT+ people are hated worldwide. It's a universal norm. This hate kills us every single day, and you are telling me I'm not allowed to call people out on it? . . .

That would be OK if, for example, you also called out Muslims and others for their actual world wide killing of women and children and hatred of the LGBT community. But most LGBT people don't. As was pointed out earlier, most LGBT folks are not about freedom and fairness, they are about getting their revenge and what they think is owed them. Now you may be different, I certainly hope so. But the pushback, as I understand it, is not about being a member of the LGBT community and everything about the restrictions the LGBT community wants to impose on everyone else.

Everyone that does not believe the same as the LGBT community is not a hate monger in spite of your insistence. Sure there are some hate mongers and they should be dealt with using the laws that exist today. You should take the time to understand the difference between tolerance and hate. America was built on the ideals of tolerance, even if those ideals were not always achieved. Normal everyday people with different opinions can have high levels of tolerance for different opinions without any hate whatsoever. But the fact remains that LGBT people do not as a whole seem to exhibit any tolerance or understanding at all for different opinions.

The simple fact is that if you want universal understanding for your opinions, you need to have universal understanding for opposing opinions whether you agree with them or not. I don't really care and no one I know cares what people do in their private relationship. But being called a hate monger and homophobe simply because I don't believe in the LGBT lifestyle is wrong and atrocious.
 
Is that true? I don't think thats true. Here's a truth: people like you hide behind the word "Bigot" because its your way out of having to have a conversation with anyone with a slightly different perspective than your own.
Seems that bigots are more concerned with being called bigots than they are with actually holding bigoted views. Let's just call a spade a spade. If someone dislikes or "disagrees" with something that I had no say in whatsoever, they are in fact a bigot. There is no slightly different perspective to the fact that some people are born wired a little differently and shouldn't be made to feel like second class citizens for it. I love it how I'm told I'm supposed to respect people's chosen views or "sincerely held religious beliefs" but they should be allowed to use those views to discriminate and pass laws against me for simply existing. Society is tired of their crap and is now calling them out for it, is it really surprising?
 
Nicely done, posts 5, 6, 7, and especially 9. Perhaps a new record for hijacking a nice topic and pivoting to negative snarkiness.


Yeah. There's been some pretty needless negativity in this thread. It's not like apple self promoted a commemorative item, a user chose to share the info.
 
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There's no evidence to support your statement. Apple employees are not required to attend Pride events, and I think it speaks volumes that Tim Cook is holding fundraisers for the likes of Paul Ryan. Differing viewpoints are clearly respected. But the line is crossed and the respect ends when those differing viewpoints devolve into rhetoric suppressing the rights or expressions of others.

Rhetorical question: Would that include, for example, making donations to or a campaign or organization that supports traditional heterosexual marriage? Would that be grounds for dismissal from Apple?

Gays tell a good story of inclusion and tolerance, but it's all phony. Like many left-leaning people, they are not interested in a pluralistic society. They actually want homogeneity of thought (pun intended) on how people view the gay lifestyle, and if you disagree with their position in the slightest way, they become some of the most vicious and unhinged people out there. Just ask Brendan Eich.
 
You need to get over yourself. You're not that special, I assure you. No one is oppressing you. That's all in your mind, thanks to the conditioning and indoctrination you've been subjected to.

Frankly, it is insulting for you to sit there and pretend that every person who doesn't belong to your club is oppressing you. But I can tell from your comments that you are a typical hateful minority that thinks hate against majority groups is justified because reasons.

I never said that it is 'every person' - that is your hyperbole.

And no, I'm not hateful - I'm angry. I'm angry that people like me are being killed, attacked, bullied, called sinners - all just for being themselves.

Is that all only in my mind? Heck, I'd really like all of this to be just my imagination. Unfortunately it's real life. Just an hour ago I read an article about neo-Nazis spreading hateful anti-gay literature in my town - and I cannot pretend it didn't happen.

And well done on calling all minorities 'typically hateful' - it shows how truly threatened you are.
 
Apple wishes there were more like you. ;)

Unfortunately I'm not a big money spinner for Apple. My iPhone was over 3 1/2 years old before it got replaced and my Macbook Air is nearly 5 years old and still has a good few years left in it.

Still, those watch bands are a fun way for them to celebrate diversity for their employees. Whether or not people just see this as a publicity stunt, it's not like they slapped it on their front page with a promo pack of images for journalists to download.

The only thing offensive is how much money they will sell for on eBay! :p
 
It may come to surprise you that not everyone feels that homosexuality is something that needs a parade.

No surprises here: I, for one, feel that homosexuality does not need a parade.
That's why I don't participate in the parade.

Easy peasy.

I suggest the same course of action to anybody who feels similarly, it works just fine for me.
 
Gays tell a good story of inclusion and tolerance, but it's all phony. Like many left-leaning people, they are not interested in a pluralistic society. They actually want homogeneity of thought (pun intended) on how people view the gay lifestyle, and if you disagree with their position in the slightest way, they become some of the most vicious and unhinged people out there. Just ask Brendan Eich.
Should Jews tolerate anti-semites?
Should ethnic minorities tolerate racists?
Should women tolerate misogynists?
Should gay tolerate homophobes?

We will tolerate you holding your hateful opinions - as long as you'll keep them to yourself and won't do anything that will harm us.
 
You need to get over yourself. You're not that special, I assure you. No one is oppressing you. That's all in your mind, thanks to the conditioning and indoctrination you've been subjected to.

Frankly, it is insulting for you to sit there and pretend that every person who doesn't belong to your club is oppressing you. But I can tell from your comments that you are a typical hateful minority that thinks hate against majority groups is justified because reason

When people are not committing suicide because they find that the easier road than coming out to friends and family tell me again that no one is being oppressed.

When homophobic violence is not a thing then the LGBT community is no longer oppressed. This list could go on. Gay people can not get married in many places, because people would prefer to hate people because they were born that way.
 
Watch bands are easy to make and don't take much resources from anywhere else. So why wouldn't they do more varieties of them?

Sometimes I think MacRumours is actually trolling readers by focussing so much on watch bands in their articles. Somehow I doubt that any of the Mac or iOS Apple engineers were redirected towards making watch bands ;)

I think Jony Ive spent a month deciding on the thread count, exact gradient and RAL colours and forgot to design the new iPhone 7 ;)

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I never said that it is 'every person' - that is your hyperbole.

And no, I'm not hateful - I'm angry. I'm angry that people like me are being killed, attacked, bullied, called sinners - all just for being themselves.

Is that all only in my mind? Heck, I'd really like all of this to be just my imagination. Unfortunately it's real life. Just an hour ago I read an article about neo-Nazis spreading hateful anti-gay literature in my town - and I cannot pretend it didn't happen.

And well done on calling all minorities 'typically hateful' - it shows how truly threatened you are.
Threatened? Please. Grow up.
The part that is in your own mind is your perspective...you have none. Zero. You choose to see a disproportionate amount of discrimination and violence because you are looking for it. The same way the pathetic anti-gun lobby chooses to see massive amounts of gun violence, when in reality it is pitifully small, and pales in comparison to the amount of gun safety and gun protection that occurs every day. If they aired a 30 sec news special every time a gun saves a life, they'd need 10 channels dedicated to it running 24 hrs a day to air every occurrence.

Perspective. You lack it.
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Seems that bigots are more concerned with being called bigots than they are with actually holding bigoted views. Let's just call a spade a spade. If someone dislikes or "disagrees" with something that I had no say in whatsoever, they are in fact a bigot. There is no slightly different perspective to the fact that some people are born wired a little differently and shouldn't be made to feel like second class citizens for it. I love it how I'm told I'm supposed to respect people's chosen views or "sincerely held religious beliefs" but they should be allowed to use those views to discriminate and pass laws against me for simply existing. Society is tired of their crap and is now calling them out for it, is it really surprising?
Who is making you feel like you are a second class citizen?

If you turned off the television, would you experience this? I don't think so.
 
If you turned off the television, would you experience this? I don't think so.
Twice. Just this year. In public places. In one of the most tolerant cities in the world.

You really don't get it, do you?
You don't experience it - so you think it does not exist. But it does exist and it is very real - regardless of your opinion.
 
No honey, I'm just fighting back.
And I'm not separating anyone - all bigots look alike to me :D
Fighting back against what? Against who? You have this imagined crusade against nothing.

The world doesn't owe you anything. Society doesn't owe you anything. You're a cog in the machine, like every one else. You are not special, or entitled.

I personally don't know anyone that has legitimate hate toward people for being homosexual. Seriously.

What I think is going on is, you interpret all kinds of other acts as hate toward you. When people propose legislation that doesn't favor the homosexual community over the rest of the society...you would interpret that as hate and oppression, when in reality it is just someone making the best decision they can with the information available. It doesn't mean they hate you. It's not a crime against you.

You need to retune your angst against people. I have no hate toward you, or any person for being what they are. But I'll tell you, when you start to kick and scream for no good reason, you get my attention, and not in a positive way.
 
There is no such thing as "homophobia" just people who are ignorant and hateful. How are you fearful of homosexuals? Smh.

There is actually. The term is in its original use to suggest heterosexuals fear of being considered gay by any association to homosexuality, not fear of homosexuality itself.
It's actually a very correct term. Why else do straight people get their knickers in such a twist for something that doesn't even remotely impact on their lives, generally speaking.
 
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I personally don't know anyone that has legitimate hate toward people for being homosexual. Seriously.

Well lucky lucky you - I know heaps. I know people who have been bullied because of the sexual orientation that they would desperately like to change, but are unable to.
 
Holy crap I want that band so bad.
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That's like saying being left handed is "incorrect". My sexual orientation is not a "lifestyle choice", it's the only state of being I'm capable of since that's how I was born.

[Edit: If you read my whole post, please also read my follow-up post on this topic. I clarify some of the points in this post that I did not do a sufficient job of explaining].

It is not a choice but there is no evidence that sexual orientation is purely determined at conception (i.e., purely genetic). We certainly have not found all the genetic markers associated with same sex attraction so there is more to learn but currently [as of two years ago when I did a complete literature review for a postdoctoral project] the best research shows that homosexuality is 30-40% inherited (meaning genes explain up to 40% of variance in expression of homosexuality). This is only true for males. For females, there is weaker evidence homosexuality is genetic - up to about 20% of orientation can be explained by genes [range from studies is 0-40% genetic; most group in the 10-20% range]. There's still a lot of research to do but no research will ever show sexual orientation is fully genetic; in fact, environmental factors play a larger role (again, based on the best research to date - this might change in the future with more studies).

Here's a quote from a pretty good twin study in Sweden published in 2010: "Although wide confidence intervals suggest cautious interpretation, the results are consistent with moderate, primarily genetic, familial effects, and moderate to large effects of the nonshared environment (social and biological) on same-sex sexual behavior." (Långström, Niklas, et al. "Genetic and environmental effects on same-sex sexual behavior: A population study of twins in Sweden." Archives of sexual behavior 39.1 (2010): 75-80.)

What this does not mean is that sexual orientation is necessarily a "choice"; it does mean, however, that for practically all people who are homosexual it is not correct to say "I was born this way". "I developed this way" is more accurate. Genes and environment (nature and nurture) both play a role. Choice even plays a role. I'm not calling sexual orientation a lifestyle choice, I'm pointing out that choice always plays a role in the interactions between genes and environment. That choice is (or those choices are) not always being made consciously and is not always being made by the individual; it can be made by others.

This is a very complicated topic with many unknowns. The research, frankly, is too subtle for most people to appreciate [edit: this statement is not meant to be condescending; science is rarely so straightforward that everyone gets it]. That's generally true for all research - how do you boil down concepts that took the scientist years to understand and/or develop into a blurb that the general population will understand? This means for homosexuality, saying "I was born this way" is easier and helps lead towards better treatment of homosexual individuals. That progress. It comes at the cost of people inferring that the science is settled when it is not. This means we need more research.

/I did not use the term LGBT because bisexuality and transgender are not the same when talking about genes and environment. Even less is known about genetic links of bisexuality and transgenderism.
 
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Fighting back against what? Against who? You have this imagined crusade against nothing.

Against the homophobia that is very much still ingrained in society, the hatred of Gays and those who believe Gays shouldn't have the same rights as straight people. The mistreatment of LGBT people that causes the high rates of mental illness amongst the LGBT community.
 
Fighting back against what? Against who? You have this imagined crusade against nothing.

The world doesn't owe you anything. Society doesn't owe you anything. You're a cog in the machine, like every one else. You are not special, or entitled.

I personally don't know anyone that has legitimate hate toward people for being homosexual. Seriously.

What I think is going on is, you interpret all kinds of other acts as hate toward you. When people propose legislation that doesn't favor the homosexual community over the rest of the society...you would interpret that as hate and oppression, when in reality it is just someone making the best decision they can with the information available. It doesn't mean they hate you. It's not a crime against you.

You need to retune your angst against people. I have no hate toward you, or any person for being what they are. But I'll tell you, when you start to kick and scream for no good reason, you get my attention, and not in a positive way.

Wow! You surely are just trolling or very, very ignorant. All people are owed equality. So when legislation doesn't favour the LGBT community that it affords others-it's UNEQUAL.

It's really not that hard to understand.

'Legitimate hate'? Good grief.
 
I never said that it is 'every person' - that is your hyperbole.

And no, I'm not hateful - I'm angry. I'm angry that people like me are being killed, attacked, bullied, called sinners - all just for being themselves.

Is that all only in my mind? Heck, I'd really like all of this to be just my imagination. Unfortunately it's real life. Just an hour ago I read an article about neo-Nazis spreading hateful anti-gay literature in my town - and I cannot pretend it didn't happen.

And well done on calling all minorities 'typically hateful' - it shows how truly threatened you are.


You should really get over yourself. Have you being insulted, bullied and killed. No.

Yes, there are people hate LGBT community, just there are people hate almost everything.

You get people hate Chinese, Jews. You get people hate bankers, investment managers. You get people hate none believer pf whatever religion.

You are not special, you are angry because you wanted to be angry. In your head, the world is hating LGBT community... And people who don't agree with homosexual, transsexual nor bisexual are being hateful.

Just get over whatever your imaginary word.
 
You are not special, or entitled.
I am not, and neither should be the bigots.

I personally don't know anyone that has legitimate hate toward people for being homosexual. Seriously.
And I do. Too many to remember. Seriously.

I'm guessing you are not gay, so you are not exposed to it yourself. But perhaps you should try to do some research before making judgements?

When people propose legislation that doesn't favor the homosexual community over the rest of the society...
Like the legislation that forbids same-sex marriage? Or the legislation that allows discrimination if it's based on religious views? Is that the favouritism towards gays you are talking about?

You need to retune your angst against people.
I don't have angst against people. I have angst against bigots - and thankfully they are the minority of the people.

But I'll tell you, when you start to kick and scream for no good reason, you get my attention, and not in a positive way.
And who decides what the 'good' reason is?
 
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