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Obviously it wasn't mandatory to wear the band, just those who wanted to participate. Right?

Good question. Was it a prerequisite that the participants of the Pride events own Watches? Or did only owners of Watches get the bands? If the latter, what did the participants who did not own watches get? And what did happen if they didn't wear it? And if they didn't have an Watch, what did they do with it?
 
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Wow! You surely are just trolling or very, very ignorant. All people are owed equality. So when legislation doesn't favour the LGBT community that it affords others-it's UNEQUAL.

It's really not that hard to understand.

'Legitimate hate'? Good grief.


There are planety of things aren't equal. Why is Christmas public holiday where Chinese New Year aren't in western nation? Why churches gets special tax advantage when other religion places aren't?

LGBT community made big deal about discrimation against them. This is hugely overblown.

I never understood why would someone publicly announce that sexual orientation. I never understood what is so proud of being homosexuals. Should I created heterosexual pride event? Should I be proud of me bing heterosexual?
 
There are planety of things aren't equal. Why is Christmas public holiday where Chinese New Year aren't in western nation? Why churches gets special tax advantage when other religion places aren't?

LGBT community made big deal about discrimation against them. This is hugely overblown.

I never understood why would someone publicly announce that sexual orientation. I never understood what is so proud of being homosexuals. Should I created heterosexual pride event? Should I be proud of me bing heterosexual?

You do not need one.

Straight people have never been attacked or fired for merely being straight. You do not have to worry about holding your partner's hand in public. Vacation plans do have to be made by taking into account which country not to travel to for fear of being imprisoned because of your sexuality. Additionally, straight people have never had the uncomfortable experience of having to come out to their family and friends.

You're entitled. It's quite clear.
 
I never understood why would someone publicly announce that sexual orientation. I never understood what is so proud of being homosexuals. Should I created heterosexual pride event? Should I be proud of me bing heterosexual?

Because pride in the face of struggle makes coping easier for some. Heterosexual people DO NOT face discirmation because of their sexuality. There is no fear of "Will my family accept me, or will I get kicked out" "Will I get assaulted for my sexuality" etc.

There are planety of things aren't equal. Why is Christmas public holiday where Chinese New Year aren't in western nation? Why churches gets special tax advantage when other religion places aren't?

LGBT community made big deal about discrimation against them. This is hugely overblown.

This is plain stupid. Equality should be achieved in basic areas. People can not choose their sexuality, so why should discrimination exist for people who can not change the thing that causes them to be discriminated against.

You sound like an uncaring person who can not imagine themselves in another's shoes. I'm guessing for you the high rates of mental illness and suicide amongst LGBT teens because of the sort of struggles they face coming to grips with their sexuality does not matter to you.
 
There are planety of things aren't equal. Why is Christmas public holiday where Chinese New Year aren't in western nation? Why churches gets special tax advantage when other religion places aren't?

LGBT community made big deal about discrimation against them. This is hugely overblown.

I never understood why would someone publicly announce that sexual orientation. I never understood what is so proud of being homosexuals. Should I created heterosexual pride event? Should I be proud of me bing heterosexual?

Seriously, dude? When gay people don't have the same rights as straight people, it is hardly overblown.

Heterosexual people are constantly publicly announcing their sexuality; why would you deny gay the same?
 
It is not a choice but there is no evidence that sexual orientation is purely determined at birth (i.e., purely genetic). We certainly have not found all the genetic markers associated with same sex attraction so there is more to learn but currently [as of two years ago when I did a complete literature review for a postdoctoral project] the best research shows that homosexuality is 30-40% inherited (meaning genes explain up to 40% of variance in expression of homosexuality). This is only true for males. For females, there is weaker evidence homosexuality is genetic - up to about 20% of orientation can be explained by genes [range from studies is 0-40% genetic; most group in the 10-20% range]. There's still a lot of research to do but no research will ever show sexual orientation is fully genetic; in fact, environmental factors play a larger role (again, based on the best research to date - this might change in the future with more studies).

Here's a quote from a pretty good twin study in Sweden published in 2010: "Although wide confidence intervals suggest cautious interpretation, the results are consistent with moderate, primarily genetic, familial effects, and moderate to large effects of the nonshared environment (social and biological) on same-sex sexual behavior." (Långström, Niklas, et al. "Genetic and environmental effects on same-sex sexual behavior: A population study of twins in Sweden." Archives of sexual behavior 39.1 (2010): 75-80.)

What this does not mean is that sexual orientation is necessarily a "choice"; it does mean, however, that for practically all people who are homosexual it is not correct to say "I was born this way". "I developed this way" is more accurate. Genes and environment (nature and nurture) both play a role. Choice even plays a role. I'm not calling sexual orientation a lifestyle choice, I'm pointing out that choice always plays a role in the interactions between genes and environment. That choice is (or those choices are) not always being made consciously and is not always being made by the individual; it can be made by others.

This is a very complicated topic with many unknowns. The research, frankly, is too subtle for most people to appreciate. That's generally true for all research - how do you boil down concepts that took the scientist years to understand and/or develop into a blurb that the general population will understand? This means for homosexuality, saying "I was born this way" is easier and helps lead towards better treatment of homosexual individuals.

/I did not use the term LGBT because bisexuality and transgender are not the same when talking about genes and environment. Even less is known about genetic links of bisexuality and transgenderism.
Yep, I'm aware of that research. They've found some biological markers but haven't gotten down to the bottom of the full cause yet. I can only speak from my own experience, there was no "choice" involved for me. The only choice I made would have been to act on my biological instincts instead of repress them. In that way, yes I made a choice. However, there was no other choice to be made as I've never been sexually attracted to women. I also have a difficult time with the "environmental factors" argument. I wasn't raised by gay parents and felt like the only gay person in the world growing up, hard to believe anything in my environment made me attracted to men. My same sex interactions were a choice I made as a response to my biological inclinations. But at the end of the day, there was really no choice involved. It was either that or become a monk. Being that I'm not capable of being straight and can't remember a time when I've ever had a sexual attraction to a female, I'm confident in saying I was born that way, even if science hasn't 100% figured out how it works yet. Most scientists and medical professionals agree choice doesn't play much of a role for most gay people.
 
And no, I'm not hateful - I'm angry. I'm angry that people like me are being killed, attacked, bullied, called sinners - all just for being themselves.

Are you equally angry about the treatment of women and Christians? They too are being killed, attacked, bullied in many parts of the world. Or is your anger just confined to your little club because you hate those people?
 
Are you equally angry about the treatment of women and Christians? They too are being killed, attacked, bullied in many parts of the world. Or is your anger just confined to your little club because you hate those people?
What a nonsense argument.

"Bad things are happening to other people in other parts of the world, so you're not allowed to be angry at how you're being treated."

You know what, how about no one gets persecuted for their beliefs, gender, or orientation anywhere? I'm all for that.

Oh, and let's get this out of the way: You're not being "persecuted" when same sex couples are allowed to love each other. Their lives have no effect on yours.
 
Why is being gay "courageous?"

Because facing a world where you're often discrimated against for something that you don't get to choose and as a result and have a higher chance of mental health issues amongst other things is courageous.

Would you like to be hated by your family for something you didn't choose?
 
Homophobia is normal in society. LGBT+ people are hated worldwide. It's a universal norm. This hate kills us every single day, and you are telling me I'm not allowed to call people out on it?

You clearly have a limited perspective, from a position of heteronormativity. I'm not offended, I am angry that my brothers and sisters are being murdered everyday around the world because of the universal homophobic/transphobic norm. LGBT+ is still seen by the vast majority of people as a negative. It's apparent in language. It's apparent in the way we are portrayed in the media. It's apparent in this thread. Don't tell me I'm being sensitive and easily offended when you have no idea what it is like to face this kind of hatred every single day.

There is no excuse for murder. On that we can agree.

But to assume that a disagreement in the moral concept of LGBT automatically leads to murder is ridiculous and an equally angry and intolerant overreaction as those who HATE homosexuals.

For me, this is simple: homosexual behaviour is in direct contravention to the Judeo-Christian moral principles I ascribe to.

Those very principles are also in direct contravention to muder, hatred, discord, etc.

Thus I DO NOT hate homosexuals, AND I do not agree with their behaviour.

But it is an ideological disagreement, and not one to be enforced at the point of a gun (even if in the eyes of the Biblical God it IS a capital offence). At the CENTER of such doctrine is LOVE, COMPASSION, and FORGIVENESS. Not hatred.

Thus, as Thomas Jefferson put it : "But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg. What is it men cannot be made to believe!"

Those who claim intolerance regarding others must be careful that they do not become intolerant themselves.
 
If an Apple employee believes the LGBTQ lifestyle is incorrect, are they allowed to have that opinion? Doubtful.

PC "tolerance" thinks differing viewpoints are "hateful." Baloney.

Love and disagreement are not mutually exclusive, IMHO.
If an Apple employee believes that black people are subhuman or women belong in the kitchen, are they allowed to have that opinion?
 
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It is hateful rhetoric such as the above that perpetuates homophobia.

You are directly responsible for attacks on LGBT+ people. You caused the terrorism hate crime at Pulse in Orlando.
I don't think that's possible that he created Florida terrorism. It was some afghan guy who took selfie and that was announced in the news.
 
Cool watch band. First thought was how it was similar to the original Apple logo. Wow at the comments... Even though my orientation is not homosexual, there is nothing that I would do to someone who is to make them feel uncomfortable, unwanted, or fearful. I had a coworker who was openly gay and had some really cool conversations with him. He was very surprised to hear of my religious leanings and how I treated him. Why people feel the need to impose on others is beyond me. We're all human regardless of religious, s*xual, or product preference... Yes, even Android users are human. <cough> ;).
 
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Homophobia is normal in society. LGBT+ people are hated worldwide. It's a universal norm. This hate kills us every single day, and you are telling me I'm not allowed to call people out on it?

You clearly have a limited perspective, from a position of heteronormativity. I'm not offended, I am angry that my brothers and sisters are being murdered everyday around the world because of the universal homophobic/transphobic norm. LGBT+ is still seen by the vast majority of people as a negative. It's apparent in language. It's apparent in the way we are portrayed in the media. It's apparent in this thread. Don't tell me I'm being sensitive and easily offended when you have no idea what it is like to face this kind of hatred every single day.
Lots of people are angry about lots of things in this country right now. However, you do not have the right to say that Benjamin Frost directly terrorist attacked Pulse in Orlando. That is defamation and libel and the law is very clear about that. You are being extreme and in no way helping your cause.
 

It affects others who choose to operate illegally. You break the law, you pay the price. It is really very simple.

Businesses exist under license of the local community and are bound by the laws governing that license. The bakery above was found to be operating illegally by disregarding public accommodation laws. I suspect the florist above would be as well if they refused service.
 
Are you equally angry about the treatment of women and Christians? They too are being killed, attacked, bullied in many parts of the world. Or is your anger just confined to your little club because you hate those people?
are you angry about how gays are treated? or really the women and christians in other parts of the world? or are you just using them as your example?
 
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