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This forum is called MacRumors and most people are here to discuss Mac and Apple products, not cancer. He could cure cancer and still be doing a bad job or be a poor fit as CEO of Apple; the two aren’t mutually exclusive.
Not saying we can’t discuss Apple products. I’m saying many people here fail to give credit where it’s due because they focus on minor personal vendettas.

Cook has been fantastic for Apple and fantastic for investors, period. The second part is undeniable. You not getting a Mac Mini exactly when you wanted or an iPad with mouse support doesn’t mean he’s a failure.

CEOs should be measured by the numbers. He passes all financial tests and all stock tests, Even with the recent downturn to AAPL and markets in general.
 
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i'll cringe the day Apple will say "You must sign to iCloud to setup iPhone"

They already do this on the watch,, so time will tell i guess.. Apple's heading to a Services type the same as Microsoft is> That part seems clear

He never mentioned apps... Although Tim have come far.
 
Just a thought....Never ask a recommendation from someone who’s career depends on devices they do not make.

Here's another thought. The people are some of my closest friends who are biomedical/mechanical engineers in that field and work with artificial heart valves. They say it's a good device, but it's not good for reading your heart rate when lifting weights due to the twisting/bending of your wrists and what not. They said it's accurate enough for most people's cases where they do simple cardio exercises and not much lifting, but for best results, you still want to use the chest strap. It's closest to the heart after all.

To the basic point, a chest strap has proven to be more accurate but has its own set of issues.

Can you describe what the issues are? The only issues for me are that I have to wear a chest strap (sometimes uncomfortable) and there are limited Bluetooth options. On my bike, I connect mine to ANT+, but the battery is superb.

Example, set the Apple Watch to notify you for a heart rate over 120 or under 40 during the workout, does it really matter if it is a few percentage points off? If your heart stops at real 121 and Apple Watch reported 120, you actually had a major problem already. Now if Apple Watch consistently reported a 150 during your workout, might be a good time to take a closer look as to why. But without the watch, one has the two finder on the neck fallback. I use mine for exercising, the results are well within what my chest strap reporting system did.

I've never really had to calibrate a chest strap. I have 2 from the ANT+ days, and they both provide the same readings.

When I cycle on the road, I can get to 170 BPM with my chest strap. If I am around there, I know that I can sustain it for 15 mins before I need to let off the gas before I feel light headed. Accuracy is important here for me to let me know what my limits are.[/QUOTE]
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Cook has been fantastic for Apple and fantastic for investors, period

You left off fantastic for the consumers.

The people who are ranting are consumers. They dont care about investors nor Apple's side of the fence.
 
Absolutely agree. Health will be their biggest legacy. Lives will be saved. I love my watch that I just got for Christmas.
 
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CEOs should be measured by the numbers. He passes all financial tests and all stock tests, Even with the recent downturn to AAPL and markets in general.

I would say you’re partially incorrect here, yes, CEOs are professionally measured by the numbers in terms of how they contribute to success and growth for a company, but the average consumer doesn’t care about Tim Cook‘s ‘numbers’. They care about the quality of the product and what the product stands for in terms of pricing and structure. That’s where Cook is taking the brunt of heat currently, the influx of iPhone pricing is outweighing economic conditions in China as an example. And clearly this is the point of emphasis, because Cook stated himself that Apple the trade-ins and services will be a focus moving forward. .
 
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I have serious privacy concerns, does anyone actually know what Apple is using the data for, and with whom they (possibly) are sharing it with.
 
While Apple is a niche player for the rich, they will never do anything for health.
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No Tim, Apple's Most Important Contribution to Mankind is the Mac (so far). Even though Apple tried to kill it in favor of the crippled limited jailed sandboxed iOS toys.
The mac has done nothing for mankind
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With the way MacRumors readers are, they’d find a way to hate on Cook even if he announced a cure for cancer. Probably by saying he should focus on the Mac.
When Apple finds and shares the cure for cancer, we can rejoice.
At the moment Apple is a device for the rich so how is a watch going to save mankind in the health arena?
Unless Tim is planning in coming out with affordable health devices, his statement is laughable.
 
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While Apple is a niche player for the rich, they will never do anything for health.
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The mac has done nothing for mankind
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When Apple finds and shares the cure for cancer, we can rejoice.
At the moment Apple is a device for the rich so how is a watch going to save mankind in the health arena?
Unless Tim is planning in coming out with affordable health devices, his statement is laughable.

When did he say he was going to save humanity? And compared to a lot of medical devices, this is not that bad. It would be nice if you knew what you’re talking about, but I guess “I hate Cook” is good enough for discourse on this site.
 
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When did he say he was going to save humanity? And compared to a lot of medical devices, this is not that bad. It would be nice if you knew what you’re talking about, but I guess “I hate Cook” is good enough for discourse on this site.
Sorry, "Apple's Most Important Contribution to Mankind" my comments still stands that Apple hasn't made much of a contribution to mankind. But I guess you knew what my sentiment was and took a cheap shot.

If Apple wants to make grandiose claims, they better step up.
 
Sorry, "Apple's Most Important Contribution to Mankind" my comments still stands that Apple hasn't made much of a contribution to mankind. But I guess you knew what my sentiment was and took a cheap shot.

If Apple wants to make grandiose claims, they better step up.

Sure thing buddy.
 
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While I applaud Apple, Fitbit, and similar vendors for their health watch thingies, all of these devices are far, far from accurate. 100% of them. Right now they are nothing more than expensive watches that promise health benefits but provide 0 accountability (as documented in their Terms Of Use too) and provide poor/inaccurate reports.

Apple and other vendors need to create something extremely accurate and also the government SHOULD strongly regulate the devices since they are marketed as medical devices. Apple and others need to be held accountable if their health device fails to be accurate and sends the owner into medical distress.

I would LOVE to own a medical device wrapped around my wrist that gives extremely accurate heart info, blood pressure info, oxygen level, etc. while allowing me and my doctor and an ER staff member instant and EASY access to the logs of these reports going back as far as 180 days. I think this kind of device would be extremely valuable.

What everyone is ignoring- even if these things are 100% accurate - on an individual basis the information is not particularly actionable. Normal parameters for one person (with their genes, lifestyle) may be a cause for concern for another. I think that most of these companies are engaging in fear-mongering in the quantified self- lifestyle. Something which I have been susceptible to as well.

Uhoh - now I'm stressed because my watch is telling me I missed my mind-fulness time-slot and my BP is 2.3mmHg higher than whatever BBC news told me is the "Golden mean" /s
 
Oh the irony. Oh the reality. People sat on their behinds on iPads and iPhones instead of exercising “like wot they used to” - all prescribed by Apple. And now they have the gall to say that ‘their Watch’ is th saviour to the obesity crisis that they contribute/d to in the first place. Horse. Gate. Bolted. Nice try Tim. Some of us are old enough to discern between the hype and the reality. Still no convinced?. Walk down the high street and tell me if it’s stopp d looking like a Day Of The Dead scenario with more than 50% of the population walking in zombie state staring into their iPhones/iPads. “Yeah, but this is the Watch, man. It’s really, like. Y’know ... ‘ealthy an’ that, innit?” Yes. Very good. You read that somewhere did you?. Let’s hope that these ‘one-off-the-wristian’ Watch-thusiasts can reverse the mental and physical damage already been caused by the bigger versions of their electronic twerpery ... however I do think that the actions of jumping on a bike, walking and running at impressive leg speeds were all possible way before the 21st century (allegedly) and if you think ‘Tim’s Timepiece’ was all it took to get you scuttling round quicker than you ever have post-iipad then good luck with that!. Cheers ... send in the next Patient please, Nurse.
 
Thanks for the contribution to our "health".

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The FDA has not classified Apple Watch as a medical device. The fall detection and SOS aren’t medical device either. However, the innovation is interesting.
Sorry, "Apple's Most Important Contribution to Mankind" my comments still stands that Apple hasn't made much of a contribution to mankind. But I guess you knew what my sentiment was and took a cheap shot.

If Apple wants to make grandiose claims, they better step up.
To you and others here: I am not a doctor or medical device manufacturer. Apple and others are entering an industry (medical devices) that is heavily regulated and is not the same as an MP3 player industry. What I am saying is:

1)I welcome the day of an Apple Watch device that will test/track loads of information about my health...and make it available instantly to an ER doctor if they find me lying on the side of the road...and make it available to my Primary Care Physician (PCP) whenever needed...and make it easily available/readable to me, Mr. Consumer, so I can watch for possible problems. We've seen such devices (or suits) in sci-fi movies for at least the past 40 years...to have something like that by 2030 would be amazing. One can argue that currently, Apple and others are pitching these products as psuedo-medical devices. 3-10 years from now my guess is these would be pitched as medical devices and/or treated as such by the government and viewed by society as a medical device...not a watch that just so happens to guess your heart rate.

2)If there is no accountability/liability by the manufacturer, then the device is nothing more than a toy and should be advertised as such. People aren't going to die if their cell phone doesn't live up to a promise of blazing fast internet speeds or some fancy display. People aren't going to die if their tv doesn't stream perfectly. People aren't going to die if their iPod battery doesn't last the promised 8 hours. People will die, however, if their <insert your 2030 medical device name here that is much like an Apple Watch> decides to stop tracking your heart rate unbeknownst to you...or if it reports your heart rate is fine when it's definitely very bad...or it reports your blood pressure is perfect when it is truly terrible...or fails to call 911 as promised if you have a heart attack. These wearable devices that promise/promote/advertise health tracking so that you can take care of yourself better or report results to ER or PCPs need to be held accountable if they do not meet these promises/advertisements. If they want to advertise them as fun My Little Pony Health Care Tracker for playtime and pretend doctor scenarios, sure, that's a completely different sales pitch and story and acceptance of use. Apple's website states (emphasis mine):

"Apple Watch Series 4 inspires you to live a healthier life by helping you manage everything from everyday stress to calories burned. At the same time, it monitors your heart rate and lets you know if it detects something of concern. And that sense of security now goes a step further with fall detection and Emergency SOS. The new Apple Watch has your back — as well as your heart....Emergency SOS allows you to quickly get help. It calls 911, notifies your emergency contacts, sends your current location, and displays your Medical ID badge on the screen for emergency personnel."

That sounds like a medical device to me...and some really straightforward advertising about security, emergency situations, and that it "has your back". It will diplay my Medical ID to the ER, call 911 for me, sends my physical location, etc. Those are a lot of promises and I take them very seriously. I'll pay for it. But I want accountability in return for my payment for this medical device.

I'll happily pay for the medical device that is accurate, designed with the stringest QC, and that the manufacturer is held accountable. I won't pay for a toy because it's no use to me. This is exactly why I returned my Fitbit...it was completely inaccurate (and hundreds of others agreed). There is no value, in my eyes, for a $150 step counter that is wildly inaccurate.
Tim is smartly blurring the line between para-medical and medical (as with Pro’s & iPad)
Actually, Apple is not equipped to fulfill medical specs, nor to last the multi-year accreditation cycles in that industry - let alone to contribute to Mankind.
Just as much as they “changed the landscape” in automotive...never
Marketing fluff to obfuscate fading glory
 
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Sure thing buddy.
Here is a typical video that is one of the reasons I scoff at Apples statements and worth a watch - it is from a cardiologist -
, it does end up mentioning that there can be some good things that can come from the data IF they work out how to use/interpret it, so probably watch it to the end.
 
Apple's Most Important Contribution to Mankind was OS X when all you had was Windows '98 to live with.

I must say, so is the iphone+iOS. Can you imagine a world where we are still using blackberry OS+Nokias or Android only devices?
 
Apple's Most Important Contribution to Mankind was OS X when all you had was Windows '98 to live with.

I must say, so is the iphone+iOS. Can you imagine a world where we are still using blackberry OS+Nokias or Android only devices?
For me, it was the mouse that didn’t need to be charged upside down.
 
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Here is a typical video that is one of the reasons I scoff at Apples statements and worth a watch - it is from a cardiologist -
, it does end up mentioning that there can be some good things that can come from the data IF they work out how to use/interpret it, so probably watch it to the end.

I notice that a lot of his problems are “but what if ...”
 
Mankind*

*US Only

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Don't forget US AND Apple Users (as in ecosytem) ONLY!
Steve Jobs didn't exist in the Twitter/Instagram/Facebook age, where BS FUD spreads like a disease. Back then, a simple press release would get all the publications of the day to do your PR for you. Can't do that any more.
Steve died in 2011, by September 22, 2011 Facebook was almost 7 years old and had 900 million users.....

Twitter in 2011 was 5 years old and had 117 million users (almost 1/3rd of today, but still quite a feat back then!)

Instagram was launched in 2010 and by june 2011 had 5 million users, again might seems small, but we are talking about 1 billion combined, it's like 1 /7 th of the entire population!

If you take in consideration that "only" 2 billion internet users were counted by Sept 2011, that means 1/2 of the users were reachable by 2011 via a social media... Steve was well alive in the Facebook / Twitter / Instagram age :D.

* Even Ping "A social network for music" was a thing in 2010.....
 
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