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No spending cuts? Let's dismantle obamacare and medicare. Eliminate all environmental regulations and scrap the EPA. Do away with public education.

As far as infrastructure spending, privatize. Let those who build it charge for the usage.

We can do better than balance the budget. We can pay down the debt.
I'm talking about Trump, not what I believe. The rust belt voters didn't vote for spending cuts. They voted for screw Mexico, screw China, give me the spoils instead of immigrants and minorities. They'll still get their welfare checks to spend on booze and opioids.
 
Maybe Tim Cook should practice what he preaches a bit. His net worth is estimated at $785 million.
You didn't answer my question. What city in the USA has a large enough population of eligible people to assemble iPhones? Apple's not building factories in LA and NYC. Besides, automation is replacing factory jobs. Do we stop progress because some people may need to be retrained to do something else?
How many people in China do you think are assembling iPhones? Do you really think it's millions or tens of millions? Are Americans that dumb that they can not be trained to perform a simple repitive operation? These are not high skilled jobs. I am sure there are more people working at GM assembling cars than there are in China building iPhones.
 
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I like your Star Wars references but I thought of Hillary. I can see her saying "I am the Senate". Like Ben Kenobi says "From a certain point of view".

Also during the war speech with Bush after 911, I dubbed in that line "So this is how liberty dies..." when everyone was clapping during the State of the Union. Also animated some lighting from Bush.

I have too much Star Wars on the brain.

Haha, me too. :D

Now, I don't see Hillary saying that, but OK.

As for Bush, I knew that DT was going to win just like Bush did against Gore.

He's the President that represents the REAL America, not the one portrayed in the obviously far-left media. Eight-years of a black, really-left-wing President brought the truth out. America is a country at war with itself.

Sad, to be sure.
 
You didn't answer my question. What city in the USA has a large enough population of eligible people to assemble iPhones? Apple's not building factories in LA and NYC. Besides, automation is replacing factory jobs. Do we stop progress because some people may need to be retrained to do something else?

i answered it, in 2007 ...any us city. It's always been about $$$$ and US labour is too expansive. It's not about capacity. But let's agree to disagree on this
 
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I didn't vote for Trump but why do I get the feeling had Hillary won Tim Cook wouldn't have sent a letter like this to employees? Maybe people in the Bay Area need to wake up and realize not everyone thinks or votes like them? Or California could always secede and we'll see how it survives on its own. Scotland tried it, why not California?

Since when did Scotland secede?
 
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Sorry but Californian has a balanced budget and the people of California voted, via a ballet question, to continue extension of temporary income tax hikes for the wealthy, which would raise an estimated $7 billion a year.
California's state debt is about $500 billion now.
No spending cuts? Let's dismantle obamacare and medicare. Eliminate all environmental regulations and scrap the EPA. Do away with public education.

As far as infrastructure spending, privatize. Let those who build it charge for the usage.

We can do better than balance the budget. We can pay down the debt.
And this is what some Trump supporters are hopeful of and what many others are scared to death of. No one in Washington for decades has been willing to "blow it all up" and start over. This is one good reason why we have a mind-boggling national debt right now. Trump might be that guy who really does this but we'll see. There are many in Washington on both sides of the aisle who will be tough to bring on board.
 
Apple's north star will soon turn into a north triangle. Too many points. The future will undoubtedly be a north circle. But it will take courage.
 
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No spending cuts? Let's dismantle obamacare and medicare. Eliminate all environmental regulations and scrap the EPA. Do away with public education.

As far as infrastructure spending, privatize. Let those who build it charge for the usage.

We can do better than balance the budget. We can pay down the debt.

I really hope you're being sarcastic.
 
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And this is what some Trump supporters are hopeful of and what many others are scared to death of. No one in Washington for decades has been willing to "blow it all up" and start over. This is one good reason why we have a mind-boggling national debt right now. Trump might be that guy who really does this but we'll see. There are many in Washington on both sides of the aisle who will be tough to bring on board.

We have a Republican congress and a Republican white house. And we have the will of the people. Anything is possible.

I really hope you're being sarcastic.
No way. What do we need these social programs for? Everyone needs to buck up and carry their weight.
 
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This is an example of the kind of empty neoliberal rhetoric that led to Trump getting elected.

A company that touts diversity, yet from an economic standpoint, shuts so many people out.

Dr. King was about racial AND economic justice, a Civil Rights Movement AND a Poor People's Campaign, but Tim Cook and his mealy-mouthed subordinates wouldn't understand that.

I made this exact point when the MacBook Pro was announced.

This company yammers on about "diversity" constantly yet makes its products exclusively for the yuppie upper class.
 
I made this exact point when the MacBook Pro was announced.

This company yammers on about "diversity" constantly yet makes its products exclusively for the yuppie upper class.

Well, the yuppie upper class pays the bills so what do you want them to do?

As a stock holder, I am against any form of charity on Apple's part. Unless Apple stand's to benefit financially from the charity.
 
California's state debt is about $500 billion now.
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433 billion and that includes projected money they think they will need to update infrastructure and pending public pension and retiree healthcare liabilities. all which will be paid for over time. Is it perfect no way. But not nearly as bad as some other states http://www.thestatesproject.org/state-debt/ (note #1 on this page is the least debt % of gps)
 
Does not matter if they themselves are racist, they voted a racist to the presidency to represent them.

Did anyone throw Robert Byrd (D-West Virginia) out of the party because he was a member of and recruiter for the KKK many years ago?
 
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What doesn't kill us makes us stronger, someone always pipes up... so I'll say it.

The differences between WWII and now are myriad even as there periodically appear similarities that may seem like flashbacks. I too am of the generation that remembers that war. And so naturally enough I was steeped in the history of that war's genesis just by being at the dinner table of my grandparents as the politics of war and peace were discussed.

Here and today: there are some rowdies out there since the election but most of us got up and made coffee and went to work because that's what was on the calendar. I hope that Mr. Trump's presidency will be successful but I also sure God hope he gets a different speechwriter for his overseas appearances than he had on the day he announced his run for President (or was that the authentic Donald Trump talking that trash?).

We may indeed be in for some "interesting" times in the states just now, and the world seems to be having trouble keeping its shirt on too. But as far as the US goes, the great thing about three branches of government is that there are bound to be some subversives in the bunch no matter who's got the grip on a majority. Here's to the messy, noisy, democratic uncertainties of the USA. If we can't beat it, we can criticize it anyway and work towards the contests of another day. So far it works and long may that remain the case.

By no means do I belittle the sense of your warning against fascism. No generation has a lock on it, and none is immune to its beguiling charms and deadly endpoints either. The USA may have elected Trump because some of us sought a "strongman" approach to resolution of its real and perceived problems. It remains to be seen whether the Congress is sufficiently aware of the downside of a strongman at the helm.

Heh, it could be Mr. Trump finds out exactly who is a strongman when push comes to shove in a showdown over an legislative issue, you never know. My money might be on Mitch McConnell, who's as partisan as they come except when the chips are really down for the country itself, and then he usually makes a pretty decent move in my experience. On balance, I'm pretty sure some lessons learned all around the political spectrum will help us get through the next four years together.

And on that note I have to say I thought Tim Cook's letter was wonderful.

The problem with your argument is that it relies on the System, the Process.

But the truth is, the System works if the people behind it make it work. So now we're talking about culture.

It took 100 YEARS after the Civil War ended for black people in the US to "start" to become integrated into the System.

And still there are way too many socio-economic problems there.

When "the people" let the things "the Man" does slide, the System fails.

All the protests, "X-Lives Matter" type of civil posturing changes nothing.

DT, a transparently bad man, was voted President of the United States.

By the people.

That is all the evidence I need.
 
Haha, me too. :D

Now, I don't see Hillary saying that, but OK.

As for Bush, I knew that DT was going to win just like Bush did against Gore.

He's the President that represents the REAL America, not the one portrayed in the obviously far-left media. Eight-years of a black, really-left-wing President brought the truth out. America is a country at war with itself.

Sad, to be sure.

Blacks voting 90% in their self-interest... perfectly acceptable.

Whites voting 57% in their self-interest... RACISTS!!!!!!!

The left will NEVER get it. Never. Even when you have "leaders" of your own movement telling you this was about economics and disenfranchisement, you can only grasp "muh racism!!!"
 
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Did anyone throw Robert Byrd (D-West Virginia) out of the party because he was a member of and recruiter for the KKK many years ago?

You don't throw people out of the party. They can censure him. His constituents can recall him if they want. But the fact that West Virginian's elected him in the first place made it unlikely they would recall him for something they already knew.

We really get carried away blaming parties for the sins of their politicians. We really ought to point the finger, instead of the party, at the people who elected the politician in the first place. When you elect a bad person to represent you, well, says a lot about you.
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Blacks voting 90% in their self-interest... perfectly acceptable.

Whites voting 57% in their self-interest... RACISTS!!!!!!!

The left will NEVER get it. Never. Even when you have "leaders" of your own movement telling you this was about economics and disenfranchisement, you can only grasp "muh racism!!!"

Voting for Trump as a caucasian doesn't mean you are voting your self interest. If you are a middle income/blue collar type and you voted Trump, you voted against your own interest, irrespective of race.

The interesting part to observe from a distance is not how many people vote for their own self interest. Its how many vote against their own self interest.
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What if your factory / restaurant / office closes for reasons out of your control, and you can't immediately find another job?

Well, you should have thought of that before voting for Trump and Republican congress people.

To quote a republican quoting Obama, elections have consequences.
 
Does not matter if they themselves are racist, they voted a racist to the presidency to represent them.

I don't think he's racist. Omarosa is a liberal black chick who worked in the Clinton administration and on Gore's campaign. Ben Carson is a close advisor and Katrina Pierson is his national spokeswoman. Racists, by definition, believe other races are inferior and wouldn't place such high responsibilities on people he would typically feel are beneath him. Even if one wanted to call them "uncle toms" or whatever, it still doesn't take away that he did place them in those positions.

I dont think all those people are typically great examples of political geniuses but it does show he's willing to give people of color unique and highly challenging jobs to work for him.

The strategy (and im guessing his team will never admit to it) was trying to appeal to that ugly underbelly for votes. I didnt agree with it and it's why I supported other people but the tactic apparently worked. As icky feeling as it was strategically. I dont think those pockets of racists will be given any mind when he begins governing. My hope at least....
 
You don't throw people out of the party. They can censure him. His constituents can recall him if they want. But the fact that West Virginian's elected him in the first place made it unlikely they would recall him for something they already knew.

We really get carried away blaming parties for the sins of their politicians. We really ought to point the finger, instead of the party, at the people who elected the politician in the first place. When you elect a bad person to represent you, well, says a lot about you.
That's quite true but those Democrat colleagues sure looked the other way when they selected Byrd to be their Senate Majority/Minority leader for 10 years. Add in some years as Senate Appropriations chairman, too.
 
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