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I don't think he's racist. Omarosa is a liberal black chick who worked in the Clinton administration and on Gore's campaign. Ben Carson is a close advisor and Katrina Pierson is his national spokeswoman. Racists, by definition, believe other races are inferior and wouldn't place such high responsibilities on people he would typically feel are beneath him. Even if one wanted to call them "uncle toms" or whatever, it still doesn't take away that he did place them in those positions.

I dont think all those people are typically great examples of political geniuses but it does show he's willing to give people of color unique and highly challenging jobs to work for him.

The strategy (and im guessing his team will never admit to it) was trying to appeal to that ugly underbelly for votes. I didnt agree with it and it's why I supported other people but the tactic apparently worked. As icky feeling as it was strategically. I dont think those pockets of racists will be given any mind when he begins governing. My hope at least....

So your theory is that Trump isn't racist, but he exploited racist sentiment to get himself elected. That is just totally vile, to use the darker part of the popular psyche to advance yourself. I'd prefer it if he was just racist.
 
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We have a Republican congress and a Republican white house. And we have the will of the people. Anything is possible.

You mean, the will of "less than half" the people.

But you're right. Anything is possible. That's why I'm working on my exit strategy as we speak.

No way. What do we need these social programs for? Everyone needs to buck up and carry their weight.

Spoken like an individual who has been very lucky in life and has NO clue what it is like to "need".

You cannot just remove these things. It sounds good in theory, just like communism. But what they need is fine-tuning, or maybe even replacing with something better. Privatization is not the answer in all scenarios.

And we're talking about the three most IMPORTANT areas here, that have a DIRECT impact to the future:

-The environment. If we frak it up we're ALL dead. Human beings and Corporations NEED policing.
-Education. Right, let's waste minds out there because they weren't born into money. They might grow to SOLVE other problems.
-Health coverage. We ALL break. Even the unfortunate ones.

People who think like you are the reason why I'll NEVER vote Republican, even if I stand morally with many of its principles. It's because the Republican Party lost something it had when Abraham Lincoln was alive:

Compassion and true care for their fellow man.

It is ALL about money.

Which now makes sense to me that you feel this way...this is an Apple forum. You need to have money to join the Apple club.

You bought the new MBP-right? Max-specs?
 
Well, the yuppie upper class pays the bills so what do you want them to do?

As a stock holder, I am against any form of charity on Apple's part. Unless Apple stand's to benefit financially from the charity.

My main issue is the hypocrisy. Stop patting yourself on the back about how "diverse" you are when you price your products specifically to exclude groups of people.
 
My main issue is the hypocrisy. Stop patting yourself on the back about how "diverse" you are when you price your products specifically to exclude groups of people.

When they are talking about diversity, they are talking about their workforce, not their customer base. They welcome all customers from all walks of life. For as long as the customer has money. Which is exactly how I as a stockholder want it.
 
That's quite true but those Democrat colleagues sure looked the other way when they selected Byrd to be their Senate Majority/Minority leader for 10 years. Add in some years as Senate Appropriations chairman, too.
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Some even doubled down.
 
You mean, the will of "less than half" the people.

But you're right. Anything is possible. That's why I'm working on my exit strategy as we speak.



Spoken like an individual who has been very lucky in life and has NO clue what it is like to "need".

You cannot just remove these things. It sounds good in theory, just like communism. But what they need is fine-tuning, or maybe even replacing with something better. Privatization is not the answer in all scenarios.

And we're talking about the three most IMPORTANT areas here, that have a DIRECT impact to the future:

-The environment. If we frak it up we're ALL dead. Human beings and Corporations NEED policing.
-Education. Right, let's waste minds out there because they weren't born into money. They might grow to SOLVE other problems.
-Health coverage. We ALL break. Even the unfortunate ones.

People who think like you are the reason why I'll NEVER vote Republican, even if I stand morally with many of its principles. It's because the Republican Party lost something it had when Abraham Lincoln was alive:

Compassion and true care for their fellow man.

It is ALL about money.

Which now makes sense to me that you feel this way...this is an Apple forum. You need to have money to join the Apple club.

You bought the new MBP-right? Max-specs?
I ask you to consider another look at this. Among the most compassionate and caring people I know are many Republicans. In fact, there's plenty of data out there indicating Republicans give more to charity than Democrats. Remember what Joe Biden put on his tax return?
 
Blacks voting 90% in their self-interest... perfectly acceptable.

Whites voting 57% in their self-interest... RACISTS!!!!!!!

The left will NEVER get it. Never. Even when you have "leaders" of your own movement telling you this was about economics and disenfranchisement, you can only grasp "muh racism!!!"

Neither blacks or whites have voted in their self interests.
 
I don't think he's racist. Omarosa is a liberal black chick who worked in the Clinton administration and on Gore's campaign. Ben Carson is a close advisor and Katrina Pierson is his national spokeswoman. Racists, by definition, believe other races are inferior and wouldn't place such high responsibilities on people he would typically feel are beneath him. Even if one wanted to call them "uncle toms" or whatever, it still doesn't take away that he did place them in those positions.

I dont think all those people are typically great examples of political geniuses but it does show he's willing to give people of color unique and highly challenging jobs to work for him.

The strategy (and im guessing his team will never admit to it) was trying to appeal to that ugly underbelly for votes. I didnt agree with it and it's why I supported other people but the tactic apparently worked. As icky feeling as it was strategically. I dont think those pockets of racists will be given any mind when he begins governing. My hope at least....

Illegal immigration is a perfectly legitimate issue. There's nothing racist about a democratic nation state enforcing it's borders. Every country on the planet earth does this. Mexico protects it's southern border and deports hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants every year. As a general rule people do not appreciate people flooding across their borders without going through the proper immigration channels. It's an issue Republicans and Democrats have been trying to deal with for decades now. Democrats (including Hillary Clinton) were even working on putting up a wall in the past. Ditto for middle eastern refugees/migrants.
 
You bought the new MBP-right? Max-specs?

No, the whole USB-C/no mag safe thing is complete and utter stupidity.


You mean, the will of "less than half" the people.

Actually, if you count the people who stayed home because they did not care one way or another, you can argue that the majority are okay with the direction the Republicans want to go.

But you're right. Anything is possible. That's why I'm working on my exit strategy as we speak.

Spoken like an individual who has been very lucky in life and has NO clue what it is like to "need".

You cannot just remove these things. It sounds good in theory, just like communism. But what they need is fine-tuning, or maybe even replacing with something better. Privatization is not the answer in all scenarios.

And we're talking about the three most IMPORTANT areas here, that have a DIRECT impact to the future:

-The environment. If we frak it up we're ALL dead. Human beings and Corporations NEED policing.
-Education. Right, let's waste minds out there because they weren't born into money. They might grow to SOLVE other problems.
-Health coverage. We ALL break. Even the unfortunate ones.

People who think like you are the reason why I'll NEVER vote Republican, even if I stand morally with many of its principles. It's because the Republican Party lost something it had when Abraham Lincoln was alive:

Compassion and true care for their fellow man.

It is ALL about money.

Which now makes sense to me that you feel this way...this is an Apple forum. You need to have money to join the Apple club.

Exit polls say that 53% of people 45 and over voted for Trump. You know, the people who are currently are about to benefit from social security and medicare. Sounds to me like they don't care about these programs.

52% of people who have less than a college degree voted for Trump. You know, the people who might need a mechanism to access healthcare insurance. The people who might need new job training.

The very people who would benefit from these programs voted against the person who wanted to fund these programs.

So sorry but we are wasting precious money on programs that people don't want.
 
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Blacks voting 90% in their self-interest... perfectly acceptable.

Whites voting 57% in their self-interest... RACISTS!!!!!!!

The left will NEVER get it. Never. Even when you have "leaders" of your own movement telling you this was about economics and disenfranchisement, you can only grasp "muh racism!!!"

Ah, the typical "I'm not a racist" response. And yet it was you who made this exchange exclusively about race.

It is you who is excluding race as a factor, in an overtly racist country.

I said "a black and really-left wing President".

Do you really think that the resistance Obama got at every damn turn in office was 100% racism-free?

You know what? Never mind. I said it in one of my own posts above:

Sometimes, there is nothing you can say or do to convince a racist-in-denial of the "denial" part.
 
So your theory is that Trump isn't racist, but he exploited racist sentiment to get himself elected. That is just totally vile, to use the darker part of the popular psyche to advance yourself. I'd prefer it if he was just racist.

Well, during most of general election I thought he had to be a Hillary plant trying to hand it all to Hillary... I think I'd prefer he wasnt a racist and just a manipulator of racist ding dongs TBH.
 
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Voting for Trump as a caucasian doesn't mean you are voting your self interest. If you are a middle income/blue collar type and you voted Trump, you voted against your own interest, irrespective of race.

Fine, their "perceived self-interest". Doesn't change the fact that blacks, hispanics and just about every other group votes strictly along racial lines (in much higher percentages than whites do).
 
Illegal immigration is a perfectly legitimate issue. There's nothing racist about a democratic nation state enforcing it's borders. Every country on the planet earth does this. Mexico protects it's southern border and deports hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants every year. As a general rule people do not appreciate people flooding across their borders without going through the proper immigration channels. It's an issue Republicans and Democrats have been trying to deal with for decades now. Democrats (including Hillary Clinton) were even working on putting up a wall in the past. Ditto for middle eastern refugees/migrants.

I didnt say anything about enforcing immigration laws being racist or not a legit issues.
 
My, my, my. That's a mighty broad brush you paint with there.

Map of the Rust Belt according to Wikipedia.

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List of college educated by State.

By all means continue to insult a large portion of Americans simply because they live in former manufacturing areas.
I'm not insulting them. I'm stating that they have to stake personal responsibility for their situation and stop blaming free trade and immigration. Many of the effected people would still be out of work. I realize that anyone could be in their situation that's why I support higher taxes on the wealthiest americans and big businesses to fund free education for all, robust Social Security, Universal Healthcare etc...

So I implore people to think practically about their living situation and if it's tenable or not. Bigger cities have economies of scale advantages that small towns do not and will not have. That's why I say people need to be thinking logically if it makes sense to not bring themselves into the urban society or at least arrange their living situation so they have regular and cheap access to it. I think we can learn from each other.

I'm also arguing that I honestly don't think it makes much sense to live in a rural society given the lack of benefits it provides over the long term according to my own experiences. I've lived in a small town before. It was quite expensive compared to the salary I was earning at the time. I had $900 rent and made 40k and now in NYC I have $700 rent and make six figs+.
 
I ask you to consider another look at this. Among the most compassionate and caring people I know are many Republicans. In fact, there's plenty of data out there indicating Republicans give more to charity than Democrats. Remember what Joe Biden put on his tax return?

Hmm. Maybe I wasn't clear enough in my post.

I believe there are good people everywhere. I also believe there are bad people everywhere.

But, Republicans comprise the Republican party, and they put a man like DT in office. 'Nuff said.
 
How'd that fundraiser work out Tim? Did it go the way you thought it would? No? Perhaps you should lead Apple, stay out of politics unless it's regarding the governments over reaching attempts to weaken iOS security. If you haven't noticed Tim you recently just got out Appled by Microsoft.

Fundraiser? Oh you a quipping about the one for the DNC? He also did one for the GOP.

Every corporation is involved with politics. Most make sure they contribute to both major political parties.
 
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Ah, the typical "I'm not a racist" response. And yet it was you who made this exchange exclusively about race.

It is you who is excluding race as a factor, in an overtly racist country.

I said "a black and really-left wing President".

Do you really think that the resistance Obama got at every damn turn in office was 100% racism-free?

You know what? Never mind. I said it in one of my own posts above:

Sometimes, there is nothing you can say or do to convince a racist-in-denial of the "denial" part.

Ah, the typical "muh racism!!!" hyperbole from a frantic leftist throwing a temper tantrum. How were the protests? Write any cool anti-white graffiti on a bank? Beat up any Trump voters?

So I both "made this exchange exclusively about race" and also "excluded race as a factor"? That's quite the impressive feat, you must admit.

And I've never doubted that certain corners of the country are overtly racist. Increasingly, those corners are black and brown more than white. Check twitter and see the calls for white genocide and tell me about racism again. Hell, 75% of BLM movement is based on pure tribalism and racial resentments blacks have for whites.
 
Fine, their "perceived self-interest". Doesn't change the fact that blacks, hispanics and just about every other group votes strictly along racial lines (in much higher percentages than whites do).

The thing is, for minorities, voting for self interest has a lot to do with racial issues. If you for a second assume that there are inequalities that afflict minorities that do not afflict the majority (caucasians), then you might understand why.
 
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Fine, their "perceived self-interest". Doesn't change the fact that blacks, hispanics and just about every other group votes strictly along racial lines (in much higher percentages than whites do).

What makes many of my white brehtren look like racists without them realizing it is that they put out arguments like these without stopping and trying to understand why blacks and hispanics do this and put themselves in the same situation, with the same socio-economic history and background to...um...color their perception.
 
I on the other hand will be laughing all the way to the bank. They need to do away with all these social programs. Including public education. My kids go to private school. Why do I have to pay for some nitwit's kids to go to school?

You're either too stupid to realize it costs society more in the end to allow seniors and kids to go hungry and homeless, not to mention remain uneducated, or too much of a selfish prick to care. Public education and land grant universities are responsible for helping millions of people pull themselves out of poverty. I want to pay for education because I don't want to live in a country full of idiots.
 
What makes many of my white brehtren look like racists without them realizing it is that they put out arguments like these without stopping and trying to understand why blacks and hispanics do this and put themselves in the same situation

Oh, the irony.
 
Man you really are out of your mind. All I was pointing out that EDUCATION does not mean INTELLIGENCE - and that HARD WORK is far more important then EDUCATION.

Do you know why those jobs went to China - because our government was more hostile to business then the FREAKING COMMUNIST. If that doesn't get you to understand the problem with over powerful government controlling everything from DC nothing will.

Huh? Those businesses went to China because they could pay their workers a fraction of what they made in the states. You're saying the Feds are hostile to business, so in your mind the solution is for the Feds to somehow make sure businesses can't produce products where they want to? Isn't that in itself hostile to business?
 
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